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Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:49 am

Good signings in my opinion.

Jay Rod is a much better footballer than any of our forwards and should keep hold of the ball longer, which should help the midfield enormously.

I haven't noticed Pieters before but he sounds a solid left back.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:50 am

claretdj wrote:pure quality when fit n within our budget..

Even when fit his goal scoring record these days would suggest otherwise. Two goals in twenty appearances last season for Austin.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:50 am

Rileybobs wrote: Pieters makes sense. He will provide experienced competition for Taylor without directly threatening his development. Not an exciting signing but very good value and just the kind of player we need.

Rodriguez is without a shadow of a doubt an upgrade on both Vokes and Crouch so I don’t see the problem with this.

Two great points!

We've effectively swapped for a back-up left back 3 years younger than the one outgoing - and I seem to remember the last ageing full back from Stoke with a celebrity wife has done alright for us as back-up.......

And again, we've effectively swapped Vokes for JRod (spent the SV money) - same age - but improved on versatility

We've hopefully got fit Lennon / Brady / Defour (ahem) / Pope / Gibson

Vydra's had his requisite Dyche wilderness year

Let's get a CM in and I think we are about ready!

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:50 am

Won't Jay play on the wing as he did at Soton?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:51 am

claretdj wrote:We just need Charlie Austin back next Mr Dyche! Jay Rod n Austin upfront would be well happy with that..

Better than Wood & Barnes?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:58 am

claretdj wrote:We just need Charlie Austin back next Mr Dyche! Jay Rod n Austin upfront would be well happy with that..

No thanks - Charlie was superb for us, even though we did get better results when he was out of the side than when he played, but that's six years ago now and his career is on the downward slide. He's available at Southampton and I'd be surprised if he was able to stay in the Premier League.

He's only started 34 league games for Southampton in three and a half years. You have to ask why.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:02 am

Given that Dyche clearly wants an option from the bench a la Crouch, we could do worse than look at Austin for a cut down fee.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:03 am

Selby Claret wrote:Aubameyang is 30
Aguero 31
Vardy 32

Quit worrying about a 29 year old until he's proven you right (although he is 30 in 3 weeks...... )

The difference is that those players are world class - well two of them.

The important difference for us is that Arsenal, Man City and Leicester have a broad age spread across their squads.

Leaving our keepers out of it we have 8 players who will be over the age of 30 this season and another 2 makes 10.

And we will have 1 player below the age of 25 this season.

If we take a look at the players who have moved in this window, the type of players other clubs are buying, none of them are interested in players in the upper age bracket - unless they can offer something outstanding. Even the Championship clubs are targeting younger players with development potential.

That means we will have to replace 10 players in the next 3 years or so and we will struggle to get anything for them.

The net result is that we won't have the funds to replace 10 players over a 3 year time frame without income from player sales. If we sell our more valuable players ( cash value not playing value ) we can't afford to bring in replacements that won't weaken the team.

QPR overloaded their squad with older players to stay in the Premiership ( it didn't work ), Stoke did the same ( it didn't work ), WBA also went down that road ( it didn't work ). All of those clubs have suffered heavily because of it.

If we manage to stay up we will sink slowly, but if we don't then we will drown just as they have. And all the while the clubs that have a viable long term financial strategy in place will move further and further beyond us.

To have a long term chance of survival and the potential for improvement a team needs to have a broad age range of players. It is a financial necessity and ignoring that fact places everything we have built in jeopardy.

Our recent profits have been boosted by previous players sales. The price of players is rising, but income from the TV rights isn't rising by the same relative amount.

If that continues our revenue will remain the same, but our expenditure on players will likely increase. The only way to ensure that our financial reserves keep relative pace with an inflationary market is to invest a healthy portion of them in players that have a good chance of rising in value in tune with the market. Spending our cash reserves on players that will likely decrease in value ( to nothing in some cases ) is taking a perilous step in the wrong direction.

You can swim forward to the shore or you can tread water until you drown, that is the choice and we don't seem to have woken up to it.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:07 am

Done nothing since he left QPR where he bagged 18 goals for them in 35 Prem league starts in 14-15 season and then only played in 66 games in 3.5 seasons at Southampton where he bagged 16 goals. His career goals of 1 in 2 appearances crashed in last 3.5 seasons in the top flight. So it is a no from me

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:09 am

Some people will moan about any signing.

If Jay's coming home that is surely better than how we were at the end of the season; Isn't it?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:18 am

JRod is far more versatile than any of our current strikers. Out wide or as a #10 he will do a good job. His touch and vision are better than Barnes & Wood also.
Pieters is a great call as a backup and worth the peanuts we’ve paid for him.
A bit more power in midfield, not Mooy, and it’s falling into place.

Someone above mentioned creativity. We have that with McNeil, JBG and Brady. What we lack is delivery. Apart from McNeil, who was told in his first match to get it in early, our widemen all think it is compulsory to trap the ball and beat a man before they cross. B0ll0cks, we have two monsters in the middle. Get it in early and let them fight for it. Put the defenders on the back foot with good movement in the box.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:20 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:The difference is that those players are world class - well two of them.

The important difference for us is that Arsenal, Man City and Leicester have a broad age spread across their squads.

Leaving our keepers out of it we have 8 players who will be over the age of 30 this season and another 2 makes 10.

And we will have 1 player below the age of 25 this season.

If we take a look at the players who have moved in this window, the type of players other clubs are buying, none of them are interested in players in the upper age bracket - unless they can offer something outstanding. Even the Championship clubs are targeting younger players with development potential.

That means we will have to replace 10 players in the next 3 years or so and we will struggle to get anything for them.

The net result is that we won't have the funds to replace 10 players over a 3 year time frame without income from player sales. If we sell our more valuable players ( cash value not playing value ) we can't afford to bring in replacements that won't weaken the team.

QPR overloaded their squad with older players to stay in the Premiership ( it didn't work ), Stoke did the same ( it didn't work ), WBA also went down that road ( it didn't work ). All of those clubs have suffered heavily because of it.

If we manage to stay up we will sink slowly, but if we don't then we will drown just as they have. And all the while the clubs that have a viable long term financial strategy in place will move further and further beyond us.

To have a long term chance of survival and the potential for improvement a team needs to have a broad age range of players. It is a financial necessity and ignoring that fact places everything we have built in jeopardy.

Our recent profits have been boosted by previous players sales. The price of players is rising, but income from the TV rights isn't rising by the same relative amount.

If that continues our revenue will remain the same, but our expenditure on players will likely increase. The only way to ensure that our financial reserves keep relative pace with an inflationary market is to invest a healthy portion of them in players that have a good chance of rising in value in tune with the market. Spending our cash reserves on players that will likely decrease in value ( to nothing in some cases ) is taking a perilous step in the wrong direction.

You can swim forward to the shore or you can tread water until you drown, that is the choice and we don't seem to have woken up to it.

I'd drop the board and SD and his team the details on an email - I think they're missing a trick here and I'm impressed that you've identified something that is either news to them or they're choosing to ignore.....

Do you tell your dentist how to do his job or let him get on with fixing your teeth because he knows what he's doing?

It staggers me that - after more than six years in the job and the progress that's been made - there are people like you that think Dyche is driving the bus with his eyes shut.

Jesus Christ

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:22 am

BBC and Sky say Jay Rod heading for a medical with Burnley today

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IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:22 am

Signing our Jay Rodriguez has made my day.

Truly the return of one of our own.

Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:23 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:The difference is that those players are world class - well two of them.

The important difference for us is that Arsenal, Man City and Leicester have a broad age spread across their squads.

Leaving our keepers out of it we have 8 players who will be over the age of 30 this season and another 2 makes 10.

And we will have 1 player below the age of 25 this season.

If we take a look at the players who have moved in this window, the type of players other clubs are buying, none of them are interested in players in the upper age bracket - unless they can offer something outstanding. Even the Championship clubs are targeting younger players with development potential.

That means we will have to replace 10 players in the next 3 years or so and we will struggle to get anything for them.

The net result is that we won't have the funds to replace 10 players over a 3 year time frame without income from player sales. If we sell our more valuable players ( cash value not playing value ) we can't afford to bring in replacements that won't weaken the team.

QPR overloaded their squad with older players to stay in the Premiership ( it didn't work ), Stoke did the same ( it didn't work ), WBA also went down that road ( it didn't work ). All of those clubs have suffered heavily because of it.

If we manage to stay up we will sink slowly, but if we don't then we will drown just as they have. And all the while the clubs that have a viable long term financial strategy in place will move further and further beyond us.

To have a long term chance of survival and the potential for improvement a team needs to have a broad age range of players. It is a financial necessity and ignoring that fact places everything we have built in jeopardy.

Our recent profits have been boosted by previous players sales. The price of players is rising, but income from the TV rights isn't rising by the same relative amount.

If that continues our revenue will remain the same, but our expenditure on players will likely increase. The only way to ensure that our financial reserves keep relative pace with an inflationary market is to invest a healthy portion of them in players that have a good chance of rising in value in tune with the market. Spending our cash reserves on players that will likely decrease in value ( to nothing in some cases ) is taking a perilous step in the wrong direction.

You can swim forward to the shore or you can tread water until you drown, that is the choice and we don't seem to have woken up to it.

However everyone is trying to pull the same trick. Buy young and cheap and sell at the peak. As a result young talent is way overpriced. We cant have a team full of players who are gaining value. Taylor, Tarks, McNeil, Wood and Barnes all probably went up in value last season. Add Pope, JBG ,Hendrick Brady and Gibson into the mix and we have assets which are either on the up or could well be with a half decent run in the team. The rest are performers to keep our current status. Not a huge outlay on those players, wont have a lot of resale value but are needed to keep us competitive.

A couple of good youngsters would be great but we don’t want to be blowing 20m on potential that may never land and 5m doesn’t get you much at all in the current younger end of the market.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 am

Chris Eagles on trial at Oldham - another who divided opinion. Decent on his day however there weren't many of them.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:28 am

Welcome home Jay,it's been a long time coming...good luck fella.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:29 am

NL Claret wrote:Chris Eagles on trial at Oldham - another who divided opinion. Decent on his day however there weren't many of them.

Reminds me of Alan Partridge's line:

"People forget that on the Titanic's maiden voyage there were over 1000 miles of uneventful, very pleasurable cruising"

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:32 am

After the usually quiet start to a window, for us to be wrapping up two key purchases so early on (hopefully allowing us to focus our attention on a more expensive, and more ambitious, central midfield target) is very good going and quite reassuring.

We're in a decent position really now, especially if the injured ones can get fit. Like I say though, this summer was all about central midfield to me and that remains the case. We need a minimum of one in there, and a starter.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:33 am

NL Claret wrote:Chris Eagles on trial at Oldham - another who divided opinion. Decent on his day however there weren't many of them.

Was it Derby at home where he was absolutely unplayable for the first 20 minutes and we were 3-0 inside that time?

As you say just nowhere near any level of consistency from him unfortunately and one of the weakest strikers of the ball I have ever seen. Some of his powder puff shots were hilarious.

claretbob · Post by **claretbob** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:34 am

Fabulous news about JRod.Was clearly desperate to come back last season but proved what a pro he is by knuckling down scoring 22 goals and nearly leading WBA to promotion. Can't wait to see him back in claret and blue.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Goobs wrote:Was it Derby at home where he was absolutely unplayable for the first 20 minutes and we were 3-0 inside that time?

As you say just nowhere near any level of consistency from him unfortunately and one of the weakest strikers of the ball I have ever seen. Some of his powder puff shots were hilarious.

He was and the week after he probably had his best ever game for us at Sheffield United. HIs most consistent spell was under Laws after relegation but generally there weren't anything like enough good performances from him.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 am

claretbob wrote:Fabulous news about JRod.Was clearly desperate to come back last season but proved what a pro he is by knuckling down scoring 22 goals and nearly leading WBA to promotion. Can't wait to see him back in claret and blue.

I wonder if he would have come back if West Brom had gone up?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 am

jedi_master wrote:After the usually quiet start to a window, for us to be wrapping up two key purchases so early on (hopefully allowing us to focus our attention on a more expensive, and more ambitious, central midfield target) is very good going and quite reassuring.

We're in a decent position really now, especially if the injured ones can get fit. Like I say though, this summer was all about central midfield to me and that remains the case. We need a minimum of one in there, and a starter.

Agreed about the midfield. We desperately need some creativity.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 am

Steve1956 wrote:I wonder if he would have come back if West Brom had gone up?

Possibly not because West Brom would have been able to dictate the fee.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:38 am

ClaretTony wrote:Possibly not because West Brom would have been able to dictate the fee.

Ahhh that old chestnut

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:39 am

Pity we couldn't have got him for £12million in 2017 when he went to WBA. I assume it was the £££££ he wanted and got at WBA that we couldn't match

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:40 am

Three year contract for JR ? ....could be the best three years of his career

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:40 am

How long have you had the piece about Jay waiting Tony, assume it may have been started in 2017, redone in 2018 and brushed up just now?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:41 am

mdd2 wrote:How long have you had the piece about Jay waiting Tony, assume it may have been started in 2017, redone in 2018 and brushed up just now?

Let's just say I've had no rush with these two

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:43 am

ClaretTony wrote:He was and the week after he probably had his best ever game for us at Sheffield United. HIs most consistent spell was under Laws after relegation but generally there weren't anything like enough good performances from him.

He was brilliant at Sheffield United that game.
I remember him having a great game against Norwich too - not sure if he came on as sub but thought he bagged a couple.

I liked Chris Eagles - thought he was a good, honest and hard working player. Sometimes he did look a bit lightweight but think that was more a confidence thing.
I thought that in our season in the Premier League that Eagles and Fletcher were our 2 best players personally - not consistent I know but the ones who looked like they were Premier League quality. I remember that Man City 3-3 away game when we went 2-0 up and Eagles was brilliant....even though Tevez should have scored 13 goals and Bellamy played like Messi !!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:43 am

Pieters seems a reasonable signing. Not inspiring but Taylor is first choice for that spot and it would be difficult to get a young player of a high enough quality to challenge him (and isn't a huge priority).

I'm not convinced that Rodriguez is a great signing. He's OK but nothing outstanding and not a huge improvement on what we already have. If it wasn't for the Burnley links I don't think many would have been that excited at signing ~ the 5th best striker in the Championship who is about to turn 30.

He may have slightly better link-up play than Wood and Barnes (although I'm not sure if there's much in it) but he's not adding extra pace, ability to take on a man, incisive passing or clinical finishing, it's just more of what we already have.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:45 am

Jay Rodriguez he knows if you stink

Repeat till tired

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:47 am

Very happy with this. A competent back-up for £3 million and Rodriguez, Barnes, Wood and Vydra is an excellent quartet of strikers. That leaves a lot of money left over for a winger and central midfielder. Bowen and Mooy would be my preference.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:48 am

TVC15 wrote:I thought that in our season in the Premier League that Eagles and Fletcher were our 2 best players personally

Eagles started 20 of the 38 games that season in the Premier League.

Record with him starting
p20 w1 d6 l13

Record with him not starting
p18 w7 d0 l11

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:51 am

Jay Rod coming back is fine and all.

But there’s a bigger point here.

WE’VE FINALLY MANAGED TO SIGN A PLAYER FROM WEST BROM!!!!!!

The ghost of what feels like the last century’s transfer windows finally laid to rest. Screw you Dorrans!!! Up yours Jeremey Peace!!!!

We’ve done it!!!!!!

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:52 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:
If that continues our revenue will remain the same, but our expenditure on players will likely increase. The only way to ensure that our financial reserves keep relative pace with an inflationary market is to invest a healthy portion of them in players that have a good chance of rising in value in tune with the market. Spending our cash reserves on players that will likely decrease in value ( to nothing in some cases ) is taking a perilous step in the wrong direction.

At the risk of another avalanche of prolixity, do you think Villa's £11/13 million on left back Targett( in and out of Soton's team last year ) £20/25 on Mings ( 10 games at Bournemouth in 4 years ) plus a similar amount for Maupay ( no EPL experience) would be good investments?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:53 am

ClaretTony wrote:Never slagged anyone off, so you need to be very careful what you are writing. I wasn't a fan of Howe at all and was delighted when he left, but you are incessant with your criticism. It's absolutely ridiculous.

We are all entitled to our views not just the select few in here - everything I type gets a negative from you - I repeat the club needs to invest in some youth so I don't get excited about players who are on their last legs
And I will be delighted when Mr dyche looks further than the Midlands

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:56 am

Is Jay any good at offside ?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:57 am

ClaretTony wrote:Looks like the first signing announcement might be due soon looking at who is on this pic.

Who am I looking at?

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:57 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Who am I looking at?

Erik Pieters talking to Bardsley at the back.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:58 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Is Jay any good at offside ?

Whether he is or isn't is completely irrelevant as he'll be asked to play on the last man, exactly as Wood is asked to do!

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:59 am

Happy with the Pieters and Jayrod signings, just hope we manage to sign a quality midfielder in case Defour gets injured otherwise I think we'll still struggle with our current midfield options.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:59 am

Who is talking to Bardsley ?Pieters

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:59 am

ClaretLoup wrote:At the risk of another avalanche of prolixity, do you think Villa's £11/13 million on left back Targett( in and out of Soton's team last year ) £20/25 on Mings ( 10 games at Bournemouth in 4 years ) plus a similar amount for Maupay ( no EPL experience) would be good investments?

If you listen to Villa fans they credit Mings with turning their season round and getting them promoted.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:00 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:The difference is that those players are world class - well two of them.

The important difference for us is that Arsenal, Man City and Leicester have a broad age spread across their squads.

Leaving our keepers out of it we have 8 players who will be over the age of 30 this season and another 2 makes 10.

And we will have 1 player below the age of 25 this season.

If we take a look at the players who have moved in this window, the type of players other clubs are buying, none of them are interested in players in the upper age bracket - unless they can offer something outstanding. Even the Championship clubs are targeting younger players with development potential.

That means we will have to replace 10 players in the next 3 years or so and we will struggle to get anything for them.

The net result is that we won't have the funds to replace 10 players over a 3 year time frame without income from player sales. If we sell our more valuable players ( cash value not playing value ) we can't afford to bring in replacements that won't weaken the team.

QPR overloaded their squad with older players to stay in the Premiership ( it didn't work ), Stoke did the same ( it didn't work ), WBA also went down that road ( it didn't work ). All of those clubs have suffered heavily because of it.

If we manage to stay up we will sink slowly, but if we don't then we will drown just as they have. And all the while the clubs that have a viable long term financial strategy in place will move further and further beyond us.

To have a long term chance of survival and the potential for improvement a team needs to have a broad age range of players. It is a financial necessity and ignoring that fact places everything we have built in jeopardy.

Our recent profits have been boosted by previous players sales. The price of players is rising, but income from the TV rights isn't rising by the same relative amount.

If that continues our revenue will remain the same, but our expenditure on players will likely increase. The only way to ensure that our financial reserves keep relative pace with an inflationary market is to invest a healthy portion of them in players that have a good chance of rising in value in tune with the market. Spending our cash reserves on players that will likely decrease in value ( to nothing in some cases ) is taking a perilous step in the wrong direction.

You can swim forward to the shore or you can tread water until you drown, that is the choice and we don't seem to have woken up to it.

Great post and spot on

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:01 pm

Spijed wrote:Whether he is or isn't is completely irrelevant as he'll be asked to play on the last man, exactly as Wood is asked to do!

Hook, line and sinker !

Longsidelenny · Post by **Longsidelenny** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:06 pm

Jay on his way to the turf good news

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:08 pm

Prepare for the flak.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:09 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Who am I looking at?

Erik Pieters talking to Phil Bardsley