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ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Bit on twitter that suggests Tarkowski to Leicester is very likely

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:40 pm

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For that amount, who's picking him up and driving him to Leicester?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:41 pm

I would think £40m is the least we should demand.Brentford are due 25% apparently.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:43 pm

£50 m release fee
Nothing less is acceptable

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:44 pm

£40m is an insult based on Maguire's value.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
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For that amount, who's picking him up and driving him to Leicester?

No point it being in the bank unless we do something with it. CM still also needed.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:52 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Successive poor windows but 4 seasons in the PL....

Yeah, they've been shite windows clearly

So you don't think we need to improve to stay ahead

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:10 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:So you don't think we need to improve to stay ahead

Of course we do, but your statement about successive transfer windows was utter rubbish and you know it was.

If that's what you truly think about the clubs transfer business then we aren't going to agree about much.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:12 pm

We will improve on last years squad

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Of course we do, but your statement about successive transfer windows was utter rubbish and you know it was.

If that's what you truly think about the clubs transfer business then we aren't going to agree about much.

I think Boysie over egged it saying 6 windows as the 2017 summer window was a good one as was a few before that. If we dont get anyone else this window I think its fair to say at best we've stood still for 4 windows and are only surviving through Dyche's brilliance at getting the best out of a poorish squad

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I think Boysie over egged it saying 6 windows as the 2017 summer window was a good one as was a few before that. If we dont get anyone else this window I think its fair to say at best we've stood still for 4 windows and are only surviving through Dyche's brilliance at getting the best out of a poorish squad

Stood still?
The team has evolved at a rate that's resulted in minimal disruption pretty much.
Some people are never going to be happy with what the club does, not even a little bit, but they clearly can't see the way the team evolves or they're just miserable people.

Injuries last season was an issue with Defour, again, being out and Pope, with Heaton only just over his and Brady taking longer than expected to get back.

We can't just go out and several other players because we have a limited squad size.
Yeah I think some players need moving on, but I'll trust the club to do it in the right way and at the time they consider to be right.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:30 pm

Poorish squad?!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:36 pm

Quicknick wrote:Poorish squad?!

Yes I would say by Premier League standards we are a poor squad i.e. bottom 5 or 6. I doubt many of the other managers in the league would keep our squad up and its only cos Dyche is so strong in that area that a club our size with our budget is able to survive there for so long

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:49 pm

Yey DA and Boysie are here just need Right whinger now and we have a troll hattrick.

AshevilleNCClaret · Post by **AshevilleNCClaret** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes I would say by Premier League standards we are a poor squad i.e. bottom 5 or 6. I doubt many of the other managers in the league would keep our squad up and its only cos Dyche is so strong in that area that a club our size with our budget is able to survive there for so long

Talent-wise, I don't think there is a huge difference between 10-17th. The 7th place Wolves scored 2 more goals than us.

A few years ago, I would have said we were a poor squad (especially the promotion season in 2014), but I would say we have average PL players.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:52 pm

Goobs wrote:Yey DA and Boysie are here just need Right whinger now and we have a troll hattrick.

Yawn yawn. I've expressed am opinion and given my reasons why i think that. Just cos its not a popular opinion does not mean im trolling.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:55 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:Talent-wise, I don't think there is a huge difference between 10-17th. The 7th place Wolves scored 2 more goals than us.

A few years ago, I would have said we were a poor squad (especially the promotion season in 2014), but I would say we have average PL players.

Poor is a bit strong as my original post said poorish meaning a bit below average. I can see your point but I disagree I think its Dyche's management skills that lifts us to looking average and on a par with the clubs between 10th-17th

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:55 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes I would say by Premier League standards we are a poor squad i.e. bottom 5 or 6. I doubt many of the other managers in the league would keep our squad up and its only cos Dyche is so strong in that area that a club our size with our budget is able to survive there for so long

Not so poor, just not top-half of the league material. Really, we make the most of what we have thanks to good management and coaching.

Which is basically what you've just posted

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Not so poor, just not top-half of the league material. Really, we make the most of what we have thanks to good management and coaching.

Your last sentence is one of the points I was making. We've come in the bottom 6 in 3 out of 4 season in the Prem under Dyche so imagine where we would come if we didnt have Dyche making the most out of it with his excellent management and coaching

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yawn yawn. I've expressed am opinion and given my reasons why i think that. Just cos its not a popular opinion does not mean im trolling.

Rubbish (IMO). No matter what the subject you always appear to have an alternative / often (deliberately) controversial view.

The above coupled with your choice of username says it all to me, but as I said that's just my opinion of it.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:03 pm

Goobs wrote:Rubbish (IMO). No matter what the subject you always appear to have an alternative / often (deliberately) controversial view.

The above coupled with your choice of username says it all to me, but as I said that's just my opinion of it.

Well I seem to be having a reasonable discussion with a few other posters on the subject and I think I've made a genuine case for my opinion whether people agree or not

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:10 pm

Longsider wrote:Unbelievable if we can pull this one off. Come on Burnley get it over the line for once.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport ... er-3079442" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Of course we do, but your statement about successive transfer windows was utter rubbish and you know it was.

If that's what you truly think about the clubs transfer business then we aren't going to agree about much.

Have we improved our 1st 11 for the last 2 seasons ?????

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:51 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Stood still?
The team has evolved at a rate that's resulted in minimal disruption pretty much.
Some people are never going to be happy with what the club does, not even a little bit, but they clearly can't see the way the team evolves or they're just miserable people.

Injuries last season was an issue with Defour, again, being out and Pope, with Heaton only just over his and Brady taking longer than expected to get back.

We can't just go out and several other players because we have a limited squad size.
Yeah I think some players need moving on, but I'll trust the club to do it in the right way and at the time they consider to be right.

But those players were injured in Jan the year before

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:52 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yawn yawn. I've expressed am opinion and given my reasons why i think that. Just cos its not a popular opinion does not mean im trolling.

Just ignore the prick

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:54 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Just ignore the prick

Can someone buy BOYSIE a mirror?

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:03 pm

FactualFrank wrote:He's been given the number 11 I think which suggests he'll start in his best position. I remember reading that he said he wanted to be like Ryan Giggs, which suggests he also sees himself staying out wide.

His brother had better keep a good eye on his missus then!

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:18 pm

Blackrod wrote:Think you mean Rigg. We knew about Rodriguez so maybe he was involved with Pieters signing. He might just be responsible for identifying whether we sign them or not.

That was my impression too, since he said he'd identify players & report to SD & the board

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:47 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Have we improved our 1st 11 for the last 2 seasons ?????

Yes. We signed Chris Wood at the beginning of the 2017/18 season and promoted McNeill into the first team at the beginning of the 2018/19 season. Both players improved our first 11 quite substantially.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:37 am

If we get anything like £40Million for Tarkowski then we have had Leicester cities pants down.

And never forget this club cheated their way out of 'money difficulties ' when they were in the championship.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:50 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:If we get anything like £40Million for Tarkowski then we have had Leicester cities pants down.

And never forget this club cheated their way out of 'money difficulties ' when they were in the championship.

If Maguire is off to United for 70 mil and we let them take one of our best players for just over half of that, i think that well and truly they will have had our pants off. As posted above, if they are inflating the market to maximise their profit, we should be exploiting this and taking nothing less than 50 million. Forty is an insult.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:He’s busy in goal for Preston but if you mean Rigg, I was never aware that his brief was to get deals sorted.

Player identification and recruitment, including negotiations with agents and other clubs, are a big part of any Technical Directors brief. Obviously ( or thankfully ) Rigg doesn't have a singular over riding influence on signing or selling players, but he certainly does play a key part in the process.

https://alastaircampbell.org/podcast/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sean at 19:00 about agents

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-93w35-b07174" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MIke Rigg at 12:00 about some of his duties. Jon Pepper comes across as a top bloke.

Mike Garlick https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... zHT7LyXrSk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“However, Mike stood out as someone who we feel can help move the club forward in terms of identifying and hiring the best possible footballing talent, both on a national and international basis.

Article https://trainingground.guru/articles/bu ... l-director" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The new appointment will oversee scouting and recruitment at the club, as well as the Academy, sport science and medicine.

Article https://trainingground.guru/articles/bu ... l-director" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BURNLEY co-owner Brendan Flood says the club are bringing in a Technical Director primarily to improve their overseas recruitment.

However, Flood told TGG: “Sean realises that ultimately he can’t do everything”.

Ian Butterworth joined in January 2017 to head up European recruitment, but the new Technical Director will oversee the entire department, as well as the Academy, medical and sports science.

According to what I've read the process of identifying and recruiting players works as follows -

Sean starts the ball rolling by communicating what he thinks the squad needs. Rigg puts together a list of options ( 10 players for each position in 4 key playing groups for a total of 440 players ).

Sean can then choose from the options he is given.

If a player is considered a good candidate Mike goes to Garlick to see if the financial considerations associated with a player are acceptable and if they are the club moves forward to the negotiation stage.

Sean and Garlick are fully involved in the process and either of them can say yes or no to any of the player options they are presented with, but the key architect in the formation of those options is Mike Rigg.

For a more detailed account of what a Technical Director Does

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... e_research" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sporting Director role best describes someone who has overall responsibility for the performance of various sporting departments within a club. The Sporting Director role is to deliver a strategic plan and operate as a custodian of the club

The Sporting Director represents the club’s culture, values and long-term stability, which are often measured through short-term, medium-term and long-term sporting performance.

Or for a simpler account

https://trainingground.guru/articles/sp ... rstood-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:19 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:If Maguire is off to United for 70 mil and we let them take one of our best players for just over half of that, i think that well and truly they will have had our pants off. As posted above, if they are inflating the market to maximise their profit, we should be exploiting this and taking nothing less than 50 million. Forty is an insult.

Hear!Hear!,we are in a position where we don't have to sell,now obviously if Tarks want to leave fine,there's not much we can do about that,it's the modern game,however we can certainly haggle over the fee,bearing in mind the sell-on to Brenford,£50m is an absolute minimum,before we think about cashing in.

yosserhughes · Post by **yosserhughes** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:46 am

Nice post LTL.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:34 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Have we improved our 1st 11 for the last 2 seasons ?????

Clearly not in your opinion, but those of us who aren't miserable turds can see the team has changed.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:12 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Clearly not in your opinion, but those of us who aren't miserable turds can see the team has changed.

He didn’t say it hadn’t changed, he said it hadn’t improved.

We finished 15th last season and 7th the season before.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:22 pm

Steddyman wrote:He didn’t say it hadn’t changed, he said it hadn’t improved.

We finished 15th last season and 7th the season before.

Right and we had injuries to our main choice GK's, so we went out and signed a PL title winner and holder of 75 England caps and joint record holder of the PL golden glove award.
Unfortunately our defence had zero confidence in him so they didn't perform to the usual standards Dyche expects.
Any other time it should've worked out well and stats wise he wasn't even that terrible.

Not every transfer will instantly improve the first 11.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:24 pm

Was anybody actually expecting us to improve on a 7th placed finish in the premier league?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:28 pm

Fez wrote:Was anybody actually expecting us to improve on a 7th placed finish in the premier league?

No but some thought it was a good platform to build on and improve the team so instead of slumping into a relegation fight we could have had a squad able to balance playing in Europe whist coming around 12th in the league

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:40 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Right and we had injuries to our main choice GK's, so we went out and signed a PL title winner and holder of 75 England caps and joint record holder of the PL golden glove award.
Unfortunately our defence had zero confidence in him so they didn't perform to the usual standards Dyche expects.
Any other time it should've worked out well and stats wise he wasn't even that terrible.

Not every transfer will instantly improve the first 11.

The way our defence shaped before Xmas, Hart would have had zero confidence in them, and the midfield no better.

We only started playing like Dyches Burnley in the 2nd half of the season by putting blocks in at the edge of the box.

Hart or anyother goal keeper would have been on a hiding to nothing playing behind that shower

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:57 pm

At best we've stood still the last year or two. We wasted a golden opportunity to strengthen after finishing 7th and qualifying for Europe. We stumbled across McNeil almost by accident, and we'll probably end up starting this season with the identical starting XI that finished last season.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:03 pm

jrgbfc wrote:At best we've stood still the last year or two. We wasted a golden opportunity to strengthen after finishing 7th and qualifying for Europe. We stumbled across McNeil almost by accident, and we'll probably end up starting this season with the identical starting XI that finished last season.

It's totally ridiculous to suggest that we stumbled across McNeill almost by accident.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:06 pm

jrgbfc wrote:At best we've stood still the last year or two. We wasted a golden opportunity to strengthen after finishing 7th and qualifying for Europe. We stumbled across McNeil almost by accident, and we'll probably end up starting this season with the identical starting XI that finished last season.

McNeil played in pre-season friendlies so how have we “stumbled across him by accident”?
Every chance we will start with the same X1. They played the second half of last term with top half results.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:12 pm

"Stumbled across McNeil by accident".

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:13 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It's totally ridiculous to suggest that we stumbled across McNeill almost by accident.

didn't you know, he was lost in Padiham kicking an old lager can about, got picked up by the kind hearted Ashley Barnes and the rest is history - total fluke

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:14 pm

We didn’t stumble across McNeil by accident but there !s little doubt he wouldn’t have had the game time he did if it wasn’t for Lennon’s injury. That was the the bit of luck/chance/accident or whatever that massively contributed to our change in fortunes

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:22 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:We didn’t stumble across McNeil by accident but there !s little doubt he wouldn’t have had the game time he did if it wasn’t for Lennon’s injury. That was the the bit of luck/chance/accident or whatever that massively contributed to our change in fortunes

The injury to Lennon gave him his big chance. In the same way that an injury to Heaton gave Pope his break. There’s nothing flukey about it. McNeill was obviously in Dyche’s plans. He was in the starting lineup at the beginning of the season wasn’t he?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:23 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:"Stumbled across McNeil by accident".

But where did he go after United and Europe game until new year ???

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It's totally ridiculous to suggest that we stumbled across McNeill almost by accident.

If it wasn't for an injury crisis he'd still be rotting in the under 23s. Not a chance Dyche would ever throw a kid in ahead of an experienced pro.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:34 pm

jrgbfc wrote:If it wasn't for an injury crisis he'd still be rotting in the under 23s. Not a chance Dyche would ever throw a kid in ahead of an experienced pro.

He was promoted to the first team at the beginning of the season. We could have signed a more experienced pro to start the season in his place but we didn’t. Dyche decided he was good enough to make the first team squad and was trusted to be thrown in at the deep end. So your prediction doesn’t really have any merit.

The fact that it took an injury to Lennon to give McNeill his big break is neither here nor there. Players generally get their chance through lack of form or an injury to one of their team mates.