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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:44 pm

summitclaret wrote:Hope it's true about 50m release clause for Tarks. That would be prudent planning. I would gutted to lose him but 50m would be amazing and pointless if we can't replace him on time.

Imagine 60m coming in in a week and only spending 2m on a 3rd choice keeper plus a signing on fee for Gary and not getting anyone in cm

Imagine your posts in that scenario :D

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:46 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Imagine your posts in that scenario :D
Well I would be in the majority if that happened for sure.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:46 pm

summitclaret wrote:Well I would be in the majority if that happened for sure.

Don't talk yourself down you would outdo most
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Post by rob63 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:50 pm

claretspice wrote:All in favour of signing Peacock-Farrell as a third choice keeper, to work with Billy Mercer and improve, and potentially compete for a first choice role in due course.

Hopefully, we've got a similar plan in mind in time for the right back and midfield slots, because whilst the urgency of succession planning for us has been long over-stated, it is something that we've not done too much of in the last 18 months.
We've just signed 2 young right-backs to go into the U-23's, one with first-team experience at Bury the other from non-league, but we may need an older player to bridge the gap of the next couple of years.....we'll have to see if Craig Dawson is available in January :lol:

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:51 pm

Whilst there’s a load of old shite going around, where’s this lad who used to be at Liverpool? Must have missed his signing .....utter ******** being talked on here.

Heaton is going yes he’ll be missed , yes the lad from Leeds will be coming in, obviously thinking the lad has potential in the coming years . Now let’s wait for the next rumour!

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Post by rob63 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:59 pm

jojomk1 wrote:SD talks with Adam Lord (Telegraph) after Nice game
"If we can find quality at the right price then of course we are looking to add. If nothing happened we've got a balanced looking squad"
He does know Defour is injured, again ?
Translation: If we can find someone as good as Defour (ie; better than Cork or Hendrick, who doesn't strain himself putting his boots on) for reasonable money, we'll sign him.

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Post by rob63 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:05 pm

summitclaret wrote:Hope it's true about 50m release clause for Tarks. That would be prudent planning. I would gutted to lose him but 50m would be amazing and pointless if we can't replace him on time.

Imagine 60m coming in in a week and only spending 2m on a 3rd choice keeper plus a signing on fee for Gary and not getting anyone in cm
i hope Mike Garlick isn't reading this, he'd be in a state of constant orgasm till the end of the window!

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:10 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:You claimed we will soon be a squad of journeymen, just pointing out that replacing a 33 yr old keeper with a 22 yr old isn't exactly what you are claiming. That is what I am on about
I think the more important question is why we are thinking about replacing our best keeper ( an England international ) and club Captain with a fowl keeper from Leeds. The best thing that can be said about BPF is that he has a lof of potential for improvement, because he is young and crap.

Strengthening Villa and weakening ourselves to put a measly £6m ( money from Tom less the cost of BPF ) in the coffers is a ridiculous thing to do.

Huge impact on the dressing room before the start of the season. Very risky in light of the groin strain to Pope and how our season played out last year. Diminished support for the Gaffer ( players who are in the latter stages of their careers, desperate for another contract, and new entrants with no developed allegience to a club are less likely to say boo! to a goose in the face of change ). Losing Tom is a massive loss to the character and culture of the club when that has been a key part in keeping us up.

We don't need to sell = ********
Character is important = ********
Next level recruitment = ********
Stable pre season build up = ********
We are looking to strengthen = ********

If we stay up ( and it is looking less and less likely ) Hart will leave for a big contract pay out at the end of the season, which will leave us with Pope and BPF.

If we drop down Hart will leave and Pope will be sold to the vultures who descend on us, leaving us with BPF to mount an attempt to win promotion.

There is a big difference between a player who is desperate to leave and a player that is being actively pushed towards the door. In the same way that Vokes was handed his last minute hat.

If we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot we are only going one way. The departure of Tom could mark the end of an Era in more ways than one.

This is looking like a window ( ongoing strategy ) aimed at making our task of staying in the Premiership more difficult.

Keep the dry powder store well stocked,

Drop down a league and bolster the dry powder store with parachute payments ( less the money spent on wages )

Sell our best players to the clubs who would pick our bones should we go down.

Give the twilight players a season to turn things around until their contracts end ( nobody will step in to buy them and pay equal wages ). Release those at the end of their contracts to lower wages.

Spend a minimal amount to fill all of the gaps ( can't risk the future of the club by spending ) or play the youth.

Give the Gaffer a play off place or bust ultimatum, knowing he will honourably fall on his sword if he doesn't succeed.

Watch a team subjected to huge change, deprived of its core characters, falter and fail.

New Head Coach, new vision, all of the money in the dry powder store is wasted on a massive squad overhaul that brings in a succession of poor " analytical " players on excessive wages.

The financial value and competitive performance of the club diminishes and Rigg adds another devastated club to his CV.

Caveat - Compliment Garlick on all of his hard work, point out that the value of his investment is falling and how selling his shares to another investor ( with no affinity to the club and no knowledge of football who will interfere less ) is the way forward and in the best interests of the club.

In management terms this would be a classic " set people up to fail " strategy. A nefarious back stabbing strategy that is partcularly effective against honest, good hearted people whose nieive belief in the " inherent goodness of other people " lends them a gullability that is easily exploited.

On second thoughts, Heaton to Villa is an excellent move ( the same for Tarks or anyone else that is thinking of leaving for another club ). Tom has earned his place in the Premiership and his chance of staying in it will probably be a lot better with Villa. Now that they are free from FFP if they stay up ( which will be a lot easier with Tom ) another round of spending will see them carving out a secure future for themselves. Strange to think they were begging us to advance payment on Westwood to keep afloat not so long ago.

I think this post, along with its hypothetical doom mongering, should put me well ahead of Boysie in the down cast and dissapointed competition. From Happy Clapper to Doom Sayer in the space of one year, quite the turn around.

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Post by Bertiebeehead » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:13 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:I think the more important question is why we are thinking about replacing our best keeper ( an England international ) and club Captain with a fowl keeper from Leeds. The best thing that can be said about BPF is that he has a lof of potential for improvement, because he is young and crap.

Strengthening Villa and weakening ourselves to put a measly £6m ( money from Tom less the cost of BPF ) in the coffers is a ridiculous thing to do.

Huge impact on the dressing room before the start of the season. Very risky in light of the groin strain to Pope and how our season played out last year. Diminished support for the Gaffer ( players who are in the latter stages of their careers, desperate for another contract, and new entrants with no developed allegience to a club are less likely to say boo! to a goose in the face of change ). Losing Tom is a massive loss to the character and culture of the club when that has been a key part in keeping us up.

We don't need to sell = ********
Character is important = ********
Next level recruitment = ********
Stable pre season build up = ********
We are looking to strengthen = ********

If we stay up ( and it is looking less and less likely ) Hart will leave for a big contract pay out at the end of the season, which will leave us with Pope and BPF.

If we drop down Hart will leave and Pope will be sold to the vultures who descend on us, leaving us with BPF to mount an attempt to win promotion.

There is a big difference between a player who is desperate to leave and a player that is being actively pushed towards the door. In the same way that Vokes was handed his last minute hat.

If we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot we are only going one way. The departure of Tom could mark the end of an Era in more ways than one.

This is looking like a window ( ongoing strategy ) aimed at making our task of staying in the Premiership more difficult.

Keep the dry powder store well stocked,

Drop down a league and bolster the dry powder store with parachute payments ( less the money spent on wages )

Sell our best players to the clubs who would pick our bones should we go down.

Give the twilight players a season to turn things around until their contracts end ( nobody will step in to buy them and pay equal wages ). Release those at the end of their contracts to lower wages.

Spend a minimal amount to fill all of the gaps ( can't risk the future of the club by spending ) or play the youth.

Give the Gaffer a play off place or bust ultimatum, knowing he will honourably fall on his sword if he doesn't succeed.

Watch a team subjected to huge change, deprived of its core characters, falter and fail.

New Head Coach, new vision, all of the money in the dry powder store is wasted on a massive squad overhaul that brings in a succession of poor " analytical " players on excessive wages.

The financial value and competitive performance of the club diminishes and Rigg adds another devastated club to his CV.

Caveat - Compliment Garlick on all of his hard work, point out that the value of his investment is falling and how selling his shares to another investor ( with no affinity to the club and no knowledge of football who will interfere less ) is the way forward and in the best interests of the club.

In management terms this would be a classic " set people up to fail " strategy. A nefarious back stabbing strategy that is partcularly effective against honest, good hearted people whose nieive belief in the " inherent goodness of other people " lends them a gullability that is easily exploited.

On second thoughts, Heaton to Villa is an excellent move ( the same for Tarks or anyone else that is thinking of leaving for another club ). Tom has earned his place in the Premiership and his chance of staying in it will probably be a lot better with Villa. Now that they are free from FFP if they stay up ( which will be a lot easier with Tom ) another round of spending will see them carving out a secure future for themselves. Strange to think they were begging us to advance payment on Westwood to keep afloat not so long ago.

I think this post, along with its hypothetical doom mongering, should put me well ahead of Boysie in the down cast and dissapointed competition. From Happy Clapper to Doom Sayer in the space of one year, quite the turn around.
And breathe.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm

Delete this whole thread for Christ sake

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Post by Stan Tastic » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:15 pm

Stop calling it the Premiership ffs.

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:24 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:Stop calling it the Premiership ffs.
Pay to Play League or Pay To Win League

Either of those any better?

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:39 pm

Please reduce threads to 3 or 4 lines
These rambles are totally ott

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:44 pm

Should have gotten into Leeds about Phillips and Shackleton whilst we were on the blower .
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Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:45 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:I think the more important question is why we are thinking about replacing our best keeper ( an England international ) and club Captain with a fowl keeper from Leeds. The best thing that can be said about BPF is that he has a lof of potential for improvement, because he is young and crap.

Strengthening Villa and weakening ourselves to put a measly £6m ( money from Tom less the cost of BPF ) in the coffers is a ridiculous thing to do.

Huge impact on the dressing room before the start of the season. Very risky in light of the groin strain to Pope and how our season played out last year. Diminished support for the Gaffer ( players who are in the latter stages of their careers, desperate for another contract, and new entrants with no developed allegience to a club are less likely to say boo! to a goose in the face of change ). Losing Tom is a massive loss to the character and culture of the club when that has been a key part in keeping us up.

We don't need to sell = ********
Character is important = ********
Next level recruitment = ********
Stable pre season build up = ********
We are looking to strengthen = ********

If we stay up ( and it is looking less and less likely ) Hart will leave for a big contract pay out at the end of the season, which will leave us with Pope and BPF.

If we drop down Hart will leave and Pope will be sold to the vultures who descend on us, leaving us with BPF to mount an attempt to win promotion.

There is a big difference between a player who is desperate to leave and a player that is being actively pushed towards the door. In the same way that Vokes was handed his last minute hat.

If we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot we are only going one way. The departure of Tom could mark the end of an Era in more ways than one.

This is looking like a window ( ongoing strategy ) aimed at making our task of staying in the Premiership more difficult.

Keep the dry powder store well stocked,

Drop down a league and bolster the dry powder store with parachute payments ( less the money spent on wages )

Sell our best players to the clubs who would pick our bones should we go down.

Give the twilight players a season to turn things around until their contracts end ( nobody will step in to buy them and pay equal wages ). Release those at the end of their contracts to lower wages.

Spend a minimal amount to fill all of the gaps ( can't risk the future of the club by spending ) or play the youth.

Give the Gaffer a play off place or bust ultimatum, knowing he will honourably fall on his sword if he doesn't succeed.

Watch a team subjected to huge change, deprived of its core characters, falter and fail.

New Head Coach, new vision, all of the money in the dry powder store is wasted on a massive squad overhaul that brings in a succession of poor " analytical " players on excessive wages.

The financial value and competitive performance of the club diminishes and Rigg adds another devastated club to his CV.

Caveat - Compliment Garlick on all of his hard work, point out that the value of his investment is falling and how selling his shares to another investor ( with no affinity to the club and no knowledge of football who will interfere less ) is the way forward and in the best interests of the club.

In management terms this would be a classic " set people up to fail " strategy. A nefarious back stabbing strategy that is partcularly effective against honest, good hearted people whose nieive belief in the " inherent goodness of other people " lends them a gullability that is easily exploited.

On second thoughts, Heaton to Villa is an excellent move ( the same for Tarks or anyone else that is thinking of leaving for another club ). Tom has earned his place in the Premiership and his chance of staying in it will probably be a lot better with Villa. Now that they are free from FFP if they stay up ( which will be a lot easier with Tom ) another round of spending will see them carving out a secure future for themselves. Strange to think they were begging us to advance payment on Westwood to keep afloat not so long ago.

I think this post, along with its hypothetical doom mongering, should put me well ahead of Boysie in the down cast and dissapointed competition. From Happy Clapper to Doom Sayer in the space of one year, quite the turn around.
What a load of shite.
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Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:49 pm

Leeds fan I know - who watches them every week (unlike some) said he is a very good keeper but likes a moan when he’s not in the team !

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:50 pm

He’s really going to enjoy being third choice keeper here then. My Leeds mate calls him biscuit wrists

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Post by Reckoner » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:52 pm

I presume most people are like myself and don't even bother reading Long Time Lurker's drivel. Some people need to get out more.
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:01 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:He’s really going to enjoy being third choice keeper here then. My Leeds mate calls him biscuit wrists
Are those wrists hobnobs or dunked nice?

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:He’s really going to enjoy being third choice keeper here then. My Leeds mate calls him biscuit wrists
Hob Nobs or rich tea fingers ?

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:06 pm

Amazing how many posters have ‘mates’ who support clubs we sign players from!
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Post by LoveCurryPies » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:09 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:Stop calling it the Premiership ffs.

Division One is the correct title. :lol:

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:09 pm

Yep amazing how people in Burnley have mates who support Leeds - 40 miles away and one of the best supported teams in the country.
I’ve got a friend of a friends cousin who supports Manchester United

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Post by agreenwood » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:12 pm

You don’t need a mate who supports Leeds to have an opinion. A Sky subscription will do. BPF was on TV most weeks between August & January last season.

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Post by Longsider » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:21 pm

agreenwood wrote:You don’t need a mate who supports Leeds to have an opinion. A Sky subscription will do. BPF was on TV most weeks between August & January last season.
I don't have sky. Is he any good?

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Post by agreenwood » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:23 pm

He’s error prone. That’s why they brought in a replacement in January. His confidence looked shot.

That said, the keeper they brought in didn’t turn out to be much better in the end and cost them in the play offs.

BPF is young, so there’s room for improvement. I don’t think he’ll be ready for the Prem anytime soon though, so I assume Hart will start ahead of him until Pope is fit.

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Post by Yanquiclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:25 pm

Or live in Skipton. Where half ones mates support Leeds and half support Burnley.
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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:25 pm

agreenwood wrote:You don’t need a mate who supports Leeds to have an opinion. A Sky subscription will do. BPF was on TV most weeks between August & January last season.
And a good few midweeks as well :D

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Post by Wembley09 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:06 pm

33 is not old for a keeper, they were talking earlier on SS about when Villa signed Brad Friedel at 37.. and how he was great keeper for 3 seasons with them.

I thought we and our back 4 did better once Heaton came back into the squad last season, but maybe that's too easy to say. Yes Hart made lots of great saves, but the defence looked more assured with Heaton behind them.

9 million is a very good deal for Villa, definitely only having a year left on his contract effected this... but still a nice deal for them.


Glad we have Pope still, just worried about his fitness.

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Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:24 pm

I will assume Mercer has watched this guy on more than one occasion
Billy has done well with our keepers so far so I'll leave it up to him
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Post by claret59 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:49 pm

Delete this whole thread for Christ sake

Jesus Christ be praised.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:58 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Amazing how many posters have ‘mates’ who support clubs we sign players from!
Nobody is allowed to know anybody else ever

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:48 pm

My neighbors a Spurs fan and the other side are Reading
So we can have discussions about all three teams relative merits

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Post by dsr » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:49 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:I think the more important question is why we are thinking about replacing our best keeper ( an England international ) and club Captain with a fowl keeper from Leeds. The best thing that can be said about BPF is that he has a lof of potential for improvement, because he is young and crap.

...
While I have no objection to your long and clearly thought-out posts, I have to say that this one could have been made a lot shorter by simply saying "Sean Dyche doesn't know what he is doing". I don't for a moment think this was done without his consent. The Board of Directors know who is the power behind the throne here.

Who knows most about football - you, me, or Sean Dyche? I will take the side of the man who knows what he is doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if both Pope and Heaton have been told that Pope is in the box seat for first choice this year. That could be why Pope signed a new contract and Heaton didn't.

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Post by dpinsussex » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:54 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:My neighbors a Spurs fan and the other side are Reading
So we can have discussions about all three teams relative merits
Neighbour in Woodley being a reading fan ?? Wow they are disappearing rapidly the way the royals are performing :)

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:59 pm

Dont forget we are 3 miles from the Madstad in Woodley
But true you see less Reading shirts and car stickers than you used to

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:35 pm

dsr wrote:While I have no objection to your long and clearly thought-out posts, I have to say that this one could have been made a lot shorter by simply saying "Sean Dyche doesn't know what he is doing". I don't for a moment think this was done without his consent. The Board of Directors know who is the power behind the throne here.

Who knows most about football - you, me, or Sean Dyche? I will take the side of the man who knows what he is doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if both Pope and Heaton have been told that Pope is in the box seat for first choice this year. That could be why Pope signed a new contract and Heaton didn't.
I think we recognised that we can't accommodate three keepers. We tried everything to move on Joe as a free transfer, but nobody came in for him.

Despite being an outstanding member of our squad we weren't prepared to reward Tom for his consistent contributions with a contract and assurances that could convince him to stay with a club that he has enormous affection for.

Keeping our strongest players = ********

Despite everything that he has done for our club the picture that will remain with me was the look on his face in the tunnel as he was waiting to step out onto the pitch to face West Ham after being side lined for so long - and the comments he made after his return.

It was the look of a man who loves our club and loves playing for us. However, deny him the respect he deserves or the potential to do what he loves and you are practically showing him the door. Sorry Joe, but I would swap that look for a prize winning smile every day of the week.

His comments were those of a man who would be very reluctant to leave, but would be forced do so given the right nudge.

So we are strengthening a direct rival and weakening ourselves by selling Tom. And possibly starting the season with Joe as our number one until Nick is fit.

I certainly don't lay claim to knowing more about football than any of our playing staff, but I'm happy to uphold my right to questions things. I think my gradual shift towards the dark side began with the baffling Vokes / Crouch business and our reluctance to fully participate in that window, on the grounds that it might compromise what we could go on to do in this window.

Unfortunately, the things that I feel myself being drawn towards questioning are currently eclipsing my usual happy optimism and unwavering support. Normal service could be resumed, but I'm very doubtful, so this is the best I can muster at the moment.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:45 pm

dsr wrote:Who knows most about football - you, me, or Sean Dyche? I will take the side of the man who knows what he is doing.
You could almost say Dyche is an expert in this field. He's been wrong once before though so Im inclined to take no notice of his opinion especially if it contradicts my own opinion
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Post by Lew200100 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:25 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:Whilst there’s a load of old shite going around, where’s this lad who used to be at Liverpool? Must have missed his signing .....utter ******** being talked on here.

Heaton is going yes he’ll be missed , yes the lad from Leeds will be coming in, obviously thinking the lad has potential in the coming years . Now let’s wait for the next rumour!

We will see who is right or wrong I have never posted nonsense before about rumours so either sit and wait or talk sh@@ like a lot do on here

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Post by Spijed » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:34 am

LTL, you say staying up is looking less and less likely.

Based on what exactly?

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:06 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:I think we recognised that we can't accommodate three keepers. We tried everything to move on Joe as a free transfer, but nobody came in for him.

Despite being an outstanding member of our squad we weren't prepared to reward Tom for his consistent contributions with a contract and assurances that could convince him to stay with a club that he has enormous affection for.

Keeping our strongest players = ********

Despite everything that he has done for our club the picture that will remain with me was the look on his face in the tunnel as he was waiting to step out onto the pitch to face West Ham after being side lined for so long - and the comments he made after his return.

It was the look of a man who loves our club and loves playing for us. However, deny him the respect he deserves or the potential to do what he loves and you are practically showing him the door. Sorry Joe, but I would swap that look for a prize winning smile every day of the week.

His comments were those of a man who would be very reluctant to leave, but would be forced do so given the right nudge.

So we are strengthening a direct rival and weakening ourselves by selling Tom. And possibly starting the season with Joe as our number one until Nick is fit.

I certainly don't lay claim to knowing more about football than any of our playing staff, but I'm happy to uphold my right to questions things. I think my gradual shift towards the dark side began with the baffling Vokes / Crouch business and our reluctance to fully participate in that window, on the grounds that it might compromise what we could go on to do in this window.

Unfortunately, the things that I feel myself being drawn towards questioning are currently eclipsing my usual happy optimism and unwavering support. Normal service could be resumed, but I'm very doubtful, so this is the best I can muster at the moment.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:15 am

Spijed wrote:LTL, you say staying up is looking less and less likely.

Based on what exactly?
I learned my lesson last year, I'll wait too see what you say and just agree :D :lol:

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Post by Grimsdale » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:28 am

Palace apparently in talks with Victor Camarasa so that's another one we can probably cross off the list (if he was ever on it).

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Post by joey13 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:19 am

Grimsdale wrote:Palace apparently in talks with Victor Camarasa so that's another one we can probably cross off the list (if he was ever on it).
List ?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:50 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:I think the more important question is why we are thinking about replacing our best keeper ( an England international ) and club Captain with a fowl keeper from Leeds. The best thing that can be said about BPF is that he has a lof of potential for improvement, because he is young and crap.

Strengthening Villa and weakening ourselves to put a measly £6m ( money from Tom less the cost of BPF ) in the coffers is a ridiculous thing to do.

Huge impact on the dressing room before the start of the season. Very risky in light of the groin strain to Pope and how our season played out last year. Diminished support for the Gaffer ( players who are in the latter stages of their careers, desperate for another contract, and new entrants with no developed allegience to a club are less likely to say boo! to a goose in the face of change ). Losing Tom is a massive loss to the character and culture of the club when that has been a key part in keeping us up.

We don't need to sell = ********
Character is important = ********
Next level recruitment = ********
Stable pre season build up = ********
We are looking to strengthen = ********

If we stay up ( and it is looking less and less likely ) Hart will leave for a big contract pay out at the end of the season, which will leave us with Pope and BPF.

If we drop down Hart will leave and Pope will be sold to the vultures who descend on us, leaving us with BPF to mount an attempt to win promotion.

There is a big difference between a player who is desperate to leave and a player that is being actively pushed towards the door. In the same way that Vokes was handed his last minute hat.

If we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot we are only going one way. The departure of Tom could mark the end of an Era in more ways than one.

This is looking like a window ( ongoing strategy ) aimed at making our task of staying in the Premiership more difficult.

Keep the dry powder store well stocked,

Drop down a league and bolster the dry powder store with parachute payments ( less the money spent on wages )

Sell our best players to the clubs who would pick our bones should we go down.

Give the twilight players a season to turn things around until their contracts end ( nobody will step in to buy them and pay equal wages ). Release those at the end of their contracts to lower wages.

Spend a minimal amount to fill all of the gaps ( can't risk the future of the club by spending ) or play the youth.

Give the Gaffer a play off place or bust ultimatum, knowing he will honourably fall on his sword if he doesn't succeed.

Watch a team subjected to huge change, deprived of its core characters, falter and fail.

New Head Coach, new vision, all of the money in the dry powder store is wasted on a massive squad overhaul that brings in a succession of poor " analytical " players on excessive wages.

The financial value and competitive performance of the club diminishes and Rigg adds another devastated club to his CV.

Caveat - Compliment Garlick on all of his hard work, point out that the value of his investment is falling and how selling his shares to another investor ( with no affinity to the club and no knowledge of football who will interfere less ) is the way forward and in the best interests of the club.

In management terms this would be a classic " set people up to fail " strategy. A nefarious back stabbing strategy that is partcularly effective against honest, good hearted people whose nieive belief in the " inherent goodness of other people " lends them a gullability that is easily exploited.

On second thoughts, Heaton to Villa is an excellent move ( the same for Tarks or anyone else that is thinking of leaving for another club ). Tom has earned his place in the Premiership and his chance of staying in it will probably be a lot better with Villa. Now that they are free from FFP if they stay up ( which will be a lot easier with Tom ) another round of spending will see them carving out a secure future for themselves. Strange to think they were begging us to advance payment on Westwood to keep afloat not so long ago.

I think this post, along with its hypothetical doom mongering, should put me well ahead of Boysie in the down cast and dissapointed competition. From Happy Clapper to Doom Sayer in the space of one year, quite the turn around.

No offence, but I ain't reading that. I imagine it goes along you disapprove due to player not being on your tombola list of names.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am

Villa will go down
Spending millions doesnt fix this car crash of a club overnight.
We will stay up

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Post by claretblue » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:31 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:My Leeds mate calls him biscuit wrists
NICE!

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Post by Lord Beamish » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:39 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:No offence, but I ain't reading that. I imagine it goes along you disapprove due to player not being on your tombola list of names.
He’s even more long-winded than when he used to post as Ablueclaret. I didn’t think that was possible.

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Post by Blackrod » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:50 am

Why are there no links to central midfielders ? Are we keeping our cards close to our chest or do we genuinely have nothing anywhere near ? We are one injury away from no competition in this area and not being able to affect a game in this area.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:54 am

Lord Beamish wrote:He’s even more long-winded than when he used to post as Ablueclaret. I didn’t think that was possible.
I don’t think he’s ablueclaret. I haven’t seen him suggest playing defenders in midfield.*

*although I do accept that he might’ve done and I missed it due to nodding off while reading his post.

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