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Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Nonsense
Im afraid we are as Defour will not play if at all until xmas

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Post by Braindead » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:43 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Im afraid we are as Defour will not play if at all until xmas
Thanks for the update Doctor

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:44 pm

Been told Boden has been told to step down
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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm

Pearcey wrote:Defour, Hendrick, Cork, Westwood and possibly McNeil all could play in the centre. Hopefully we’ll sign Drinkwater to add to what we have.
I’m not holding my breath with Defour and I do think we need a new midfielder. I’m sure we’d have signed one too had we been able to strike a deal.

But we are not one injury short of having one central midfielder. And I also think we might see McNeil move in in there at some time and there is Benson coming through.
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Post by Spijed » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Im afraid we are as Defour will not play if at all until xmas
And because of Westwood's form we didn't miss him at all.

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Post by Pearcey » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Im afraid we are as Defour will not play if at all until xmas
Where did you get that info?

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:46 pm

Spijed wrote:And because of Westwood's form we didn't miss him at all.
Of course we’ve missed him.

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Post by burnley007 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:47 pm

Spijed wrote:And because of Westwood's form we didn't miss him at all.

7th - almost relegated. We did miss him. Clearly.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:49 pm

Same again in January with your utter drivel Boysie.

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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I’m not holding my breath with Defour and I do think we need a new midfielder. I’m sure we’d have signed one too had we been able to strike a deal.
Impossible that a Premier League club can't strike a deal to sign just one midfielder when it's so glaringly needed. It really is a sad state of affairs with regards to our recruitment and it's by no means the first time.
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Post by burnley007 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:53 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Impossible that a Premier League club can't strike a deal to sign just one midfielder when it's so glaringly needed. It really is a sad state of affairs with regards to our recruitment and it's by no means the first time.
"just one midfielder" that has to fit the Dyche mould, be willing to move to the area, accept the wages on offer and the clubs to agree a deal. Not always straight forward, I can only imagine!
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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:57 pm

burnley007 wrote:"just one midfielder" that has to fit the Dyche mould, be willing to move to the area, accept the wages on offer and the clubs to agree a deal. Not always straight forward, I can only imagine!
Not straight forward no, but neither should it ever be impossible.

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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:01 pm

The link on Sky Sports re: Drinkwater, published around 10 minutes ago.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... midfielder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by martin_p » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:03 pm

FactualFrank wrote:The link on Sky Sports re: Drinkwater, published around 10 minutes ago.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... midfielder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It’s a bit of a meaningless story. It could range from ‘deal imminent’ to we asked, heard how much his wages are, and put the phone down with no intention of calling back.

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Post by Vino blanco » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:03 pm

I would be delighted if we could sign Drinkwater on loan, since, like other posters, I feel we are one injury away from a non existant midfield. Drinkwater, to me, would be like signing Joey Barton, a class act and simply better than what we have at the moment. If we sign Drinkwater, keep Tarks, plus Rodriguez and Pieters and the young goalie from our feeder club would make it a decent transfer window.
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Post by summitclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 pm

burnley007 wrote:"just one midfielder" that has to fit the Dyche mould, be willing to move to the area, accept the wages on offer and the clubs to agree a deal. Not always straight forward, I can only imagine!

Its not straight forward but if we don't it will be an epic fail. The defence for which appears to have already started by the usual suspects. For example, an untried kid could cover, we could move our main threat in from the wing and Defour assumed to be fit.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Impossible that a Premier League club can't strike a deal to sign just one midfielder when it's so glaringly needed. It really is a sad state of affairs with regards to our recruitment and it's by no means the first time.
I don’t think it’s the recruitment, I think it is more an inability to fund the signings. Year by year it is getting far more difficult. You can identify players and you can select the ones you want to sign but if those signings are too costly for us then we just can’t sign them.
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Post by ClaretAL » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:05 pm

CT do you have any articles written up just in case?
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Post by SGr » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:07 pm

There isn’t much sugar coating it for me with the whole “can’t compete”, “our way of doing things”, “difficult market”, etc. We had months to prepare, and literally all window to do it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, mine is there I simply don’t believe that there wasn’t a single midfield player out there that would improve us, that we could sign.

Time yet, but I can’t see it.

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don’t think it’s the recruitment, I think it is more an inability to fund the signings. Year by year it is getting far more difficult. You can identify players and you can select the ones you want to sign but if those signings are too costly for us then we just can’t sign them.
It's more the Board not being prepared to take a little extra risk to up the odds of staying up imo.

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:08 pm

summitclaret wrote:Its not straight forward but if we don't it will be an epic fail. The defence for which appears to have already started by the usual suspects. For example, an untried kid could cover, we could move our main threat in from the wing and Defour assumed to be fit.
Or we could play the central midfielder we already have on our books who you seem to have conveniently left out of your post.
McNeil also played in centre mid a few times for the u23s just in case we are unlucky enough to have 2 out of the other 3 injured or suspended and then Benson as a possible last resort if 3 out of the other 4 are injured.

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Post by SGr » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:10 pm

McNeil is indeed a player who can play central, clearly. I wouldn’t be asking our most creative player to do the hard running and defensive cover Cork does however, so for me that rules him out of that role.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's more the Board not being prepared to take a little extra risk to up the odds of staying up imo.
I think your opinion is wrong. There is a level of risk you can take and then there is trying to sign a player who will improve your team at this level. Often, and I know it’s proving to be the case, we can’t afford some of those players.

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Post by KefkaClaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:11 pm

:roll: is how I would sum up this farce of a window. Incompetence is expected.

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Post by martin_p » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:11 pm

It’s the usual extremes on here. If you listen to some then signing (just about any) midfielder will he the difference between relegation and a top ten finish. Yes we could do with a midfielder, but I don’t think not getting one will make the difference between staying up and going down.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:12 pm

SGr wrote:McNeil is indeed a player who can play central, clearly. I wouldn’t be asking our most creative player to do the hard running and defensive cover Cork does however, so for me that rules him out of that role.
I wouldn’t either but Duff used to use him in the Hendrick role behind a striker in a 4-4-1-1. I don’t see him as a defensive midfielder.
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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:12 pm

KefkaClaret wrote::roll: is how I would sum up this farce of a window. Incompetence is expected.
And where is the incompetence?

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Post by SGr » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I wouldn’t either but Duff used to use him in the Hendrick role behind a striker in a 4-4-1-1. I don’t see him as a defensive midfielder.
I can see why yeah - he’d work there well for me.

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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don’t think it’s the recruitment, I think it is more an inability to fund the signings. Year by year it is getting far more difficult. You can identify players and you can select the ones you want to sign but if those signings are too costly for us then we just can’t sign them.
If we really can't afford the players we're after, then our policy simply must change.

We must look to younger players from smaller clubs who aren't ready yet, so will cost less, but who can be developed. The likes of Matt Clarke, Bielik, Joe Aribo were all available for (relatively) low sums of money. Okay so they might not be ready for PL football yet, but at least we'd have a talented group of young players developing. Charlie Taylor was one of those, but we've had none since.

But instead we seem to go after 1 or 2 experienced players and then settle for nothing when we realise we can't compete for them. And now we're left with this ageing squad and the same starting 11 for the last 2 years.
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Post by williamjblazkowicz » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 pm

The transfer fees and wages being demanded price us out in most cases when it comes to PL players. It seems that's increasingly becoming the case for Championship players as well, based on the rumoured demands of Boro for Fry and Leeds for Phillips. I wonder how much we've been scouting abroad and looking at foreign leagues because we can likely afford many of the players in the French, German and Spanish leagues who will be on comparatively low wages and cost less than some of the obvious targets in England. Perhaps that's still seen as too much of a risk based on our poor record with signing foreign players.
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Post by Right_winger » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And where is the incompetence?
By not identifying a suitable player within out clearly restricted budget for the level in which we operate.

If we were to look at players from clubs beyond the midlands and indeed beyond the British isles then there are lots of players who would vastly improve our squad and within budget.
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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 pm

ksrclaret wrote:If we really can't afford the players we're after, then our policy simply must change.

We must look to younger players from smaller clubs who aren't ready yet, so will cost less, but who can be developed. The likes of Matt Clarke, Bielik, Joe Aribo were all available for (relatively) low sums of money. Okay so they might not be ready for PL football yet, but at least we'd have a talented group of young players developing. Charlie Taylor was one of those, but we've had none since.

But instead we seem to go after 1 or 2 experienced players and then settle for nothing when we realise we can't compete for them. And now we're left with this ageing squad and the same starting 11 for the last 2 years.
We have signed a good number of young players to go into the u23 squad. We are working hard at that level.

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Post by ClaretAL » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think your opinion is wrong. There is a level of risk you can take and then there is trying to sign a player who will improve your team at this level. Often, and I know it’s proving to be the case, we can’t afford some of those players.
I agree with all of that, but when you look a cases like Kalvin Phillips, if (and I understand a big very shaky IF) an offer was made as reported, that didn't meet their evaluation of 20M (again reported how true no idea) then are we not risking the "Marney" season for dare I say it £5M when he obviously carries a resalable value.

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:17 pm

TVC15 wrote:Or we could play the central midfielder we already have on our books who you seem to have conveniently left out of your post.
McNeil also played in centre mid a few times for the u23s just in case we are unlucky enough to have 2 out of the other 3 injured or suspended and then Benson as a possible last resort if 3 out of the other 4 are injured.
I have not left anybody out. You must have mixed me up with another poster. We need a min of 4 specialist cm. We have 3 because it would be stupid to include Defour. We have know about this problem for 12 months.

All 3 of other wide players are injury prone and Hendrick can only olay one position at once.

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Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:17 pm

Close the thread down

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Post by SGr » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Mentioned it before on here: I don’t think we’ll go down this season personally, but that doesn’t mean the issues are just going to go away, and before we know it rather than it being one really significant position we need, it’ll be 2-3. It’s only going to accumulate.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Right_winger wrote:By not identifying a suitable player within out clearly restricted budget for the level in which we operate.

If we were to look at players from clubs beyond the midlands and indeed beyond the British isles then there are lots of players who would vastly improve our squad and within budget.
Well I’m not aware of all these players who will vastly improve our squad and are within budget. We must be incompetent then and just to think the club only needed to ask you given your extensive knowledge of players and costs.
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Post by FactualFrank » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:19 pm

The potential problem with moving McNeil away from LM is our injury-prone wide players in Lennon, Brady and JBG.

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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I wouldn’t either but Duff used to use him in the Hendrick role behind a striker in a 4-4-1-1. I don’t see him as a defensive midfielder.
that would still require us to have the same number of central midfielders and therefore doesnt solve the problem

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Post by Foshiznik » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Anyone going to post transfer news and accompanied links or like every other bloody thread on this forum is it another tedious "my dad's bigger than your dad" thread?

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Post by lucs86 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:20 pm

If he's raring to go then Drinkwater would be a great signing, it's going to take time to get him up to speed though.
I'd be well excited about the guy from Nantes but it's just cos he's foreign.
People talking about McNeil in CM? As a last resort we'd be better getting Jones and keeping McNeil out wide.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:20 pm

SGr wrote:Mentioned it before on here: I don’t think we’ll go down this season personally, but that doesn’t mean the issues are just going to go away, and before we know it rather than it being one really significant position we need, it’ll be 2-3. It’s only going to accumulate.
I think it is just getting more and more difficult for us. It’s so expensive now to get players who will improve you.
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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We have signed a good number of young players to go into the u23 squad. We are working hard at that level.
That's good to hear, and it's been good to see the likes of Benson and Dunne playing significant roles in our pre season. And of course McNeil has been a huge positive.

But I'm talking about signing young players for the first team, like we did Charlie Taylor two years ago. If we can't afford to improve the first 11 anymore, then we must improve directly behind it with players who can develop with us. We haven't done that for two years now.

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think your opinion is wrong. There is a level of risk you can take and then there is trying to sign a player who will improve your team at this level. Often, and I know it’s proving to be the case, we can’t afford some of those players.
If necessary I'd sign one that was not yet an improvement so that at least we had 4 specialists for cm. Obviously the player should have the potential to improve the team. This could even be that the new player just stayed the same level because say Cork may be getting past his best.

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Post by Right_winger » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Well I’m not aware of all these players who will vastly improve our squad and are within budget. We must be incompetent then and just to think the club only needed to ask you given your extensive knowledge of players and costs.
Perhaps you look through the same tunnel as Dyche then and can only see as far as the championship for players.
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Post by claretblue » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:23 pm

Drinkwater '...played under Burnley boss Sean Dyche, who was assistant to Malky Mackay, while on loan at Watford from Manchester United in 2011...'

there's the Sean link - get him signed-up

you need to crack eggs to cook an omelette! :)

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:26 pm

ksrclaret wrote:That's good to hear, and it's been good to see the likes of Benson and Dunne playing significant roles in our pre season. And of course McNeil has been a huge positive.

But I'm talking about signing young players for the first team, like we did Charlie Taylor two years ago. If we can't afford to improve the first 11 anymore, then we must improve directly behind it with players who can develop with us. We haven't done that for two years now.
I think buying the Taylor type player (around 24) is now getting very expensive but I do agree with you.

We are though working hard to get in quality younger and if that works then we will eventually get those players coming through from our own player pool.

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Post by HarryPottsDesk » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:28 pm

Could all the posters who think they know better than Dyche and Garlick how to run a football club, and how to recruit better players in the transfer windows, post their credentials for knowing better. That way the rest of us will know whether to pay any attention to them at all.

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Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:29 pm

Would be nice for a decent run in the cups this season as a good chance to play some of these promising youngsters.

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Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Post by Paulclaret » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:30 pm

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive ... l-city-man

Josh Brownhill from Bristol City. At least it's a rumour with a link :D

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