How many have been developed in the state of the art facilities we have now? We can probably attract better youngsters now. Also, there is a bigger jump to the first team level that we play at, meaning more will not make it. It has only taken Dwight to pay for the facilities with interest....Granny WeatherWax wrote:How many players have come through from the youth team in the last 15 years.
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again you are chatting utter ****Hibsclaret wrote:Exactly Jesus wept. You said we could definitely improve by getting players from abroad. There’s nothing definite about it at all.
here's what I said - I'm making it easy for you by putting my quote here
"To be fair Tony, there are loads of players in Europe we can afford that would make us better. It's either our scouting that let's us down or someone wants to keep a predominantly British squad. Not saying either way is right"
so where in there did I say definitely then ??
I'll let you carry on embarrassing yourself by not being able to read what people have written
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Answer to all our midfield shortcomings by quite a few people - the lad hasn't played in league 1 yetTall Paul wrote:Show me where anyone has said anything remotely resembling that.
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Fear not, they’ll be sh!t when Zaha leaves, or sh!t when he’s forced to stay - they won’t keep all of them happy, my team to struggle this season...Granny WeatherWax wrote:Camarasa AND McCarthy going to Palace.
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All have but then they replace them - we can't even do that rightSpijed wrote:Name a club that hasn't bought any 'duffers', as you say?
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Ahhh those mythical 'Quite a few people' that you can't name or quote?BOYSIE31 wrote:Answer to all our midfield shortcomings by quite a few people - the lad hasn't played in league 1 yet
Good work.
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Dwight has been a fantastic breakthrough but it’s a fact we need to be able to buy quality players to replace first eleven players on their way out. We can’t expect them all to come through from the youth sides as that is completely unrealistic and without precedent
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It’s an area of the club which was poor for a long time, I won’t deny that.Granny WeatherWax wrote:How many players have come through from the youth team in the last 15 years.
We have put a lot of work into putting it right though and McNeil will hopefully prove to be the first of many that will show we have succeeded.
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I don’t think anyone has, or genuinely believe that we can produce a full squad ourselves.Granny WeatherWax wrote:Dwight has been a fantastic breakthrough but it’s a fact we need to be able to buy quality players to replace first eleven players on their way out. We can’t expect them all to come through from the youth sides as that is completely unrealistic and without precedent
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Exactly. So what happens when we need to replace first eleven players with those of equal quality?TheFamilyCat wrote:I don’t think anyone has, or genuinely believe that we can produce a full squad ourselves.
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If ever there was proof that there’s one of us talking garbage, it’s the like from Boysie that did it.......Vegas Claret wrote:again you are chatting utter ****
here's what I said - I'm making it easy for you by putting my quote here
"To be fair Tony, there are loads of players in Europe we can afford that would make us better. It's either our scouting that let's us down or someone wants to keep a predominantly British squad. Not saying either way is right"
so where in there did I say definitely then ??
I'll let you carry on embarrassing yourself by not being able to read what people have written
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That’s the million dollar question. Or should that be tens of millions.Granny WeatherWax wrote:Exactly. So what happens when we need to replace first eleven players with those of equal quality?
The simple answer, if this window does indeed signal the end of our ability to compete, is that we won’t be able to. In the absence of an alternative strategy, I think we’ve just got to accept that now, and enjoy being in the PL whilst it lasts.
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remind us of your opinion of Charlie Taylor ?Hibsclaret wrote:If ever there was proof that there’s one of us talking garbage, it’s the like from Boysie that did it.......
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Vegas Claret wrote:again you are chatting utter ****
here's what I said - I'm making it easy for you by putting my quote here
"To be fair Tony, there are loads of players in Europe we can afford that would make us better. It's either our scouting that let's us down or someone wants to keep a predominantly British squad. Not saying either way is right"
so where in there did I say definitely then ??
I'll let you carry on embarrassing yourself by not being able to read what people have written
No you didn’t say “definitely” but what do you think the word “would” means ? You realise it’s different to the word “could”.
What is the difference between would and definitely in the context of what you said ?
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We historically following on John Bonds appointment bought has beens and dismantled the youth set up
It took years to get any players coming through with Jayrod being the only exception
Of recent times we have started to slowly improve and are attracting better coaches and youngsters to sign for us
But as our recent U23 results have shown we are miles off having a Southampton style production line.
Their system has produced saleable assets for years and that is something we should aspire to emulate
In the meantime we need better scouting to scour the lower leagues for rising stars
It took years to get any players coming through with Jayrod being the only exception
Of recent times we have started to slowly improve and are attracting better coaches and youngsters to sign for us
But as our recent U23 results have shown we are miles off having a Southampton style production line.
Their system has produced saleable assets for years and that is something we should aspire to emulate
In the meantime we need better scouting to scour the lower leagues for rising stars
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Hibsclaret wrote:
Exactly Jesus wept.
Jesus Christ be praised
Exactly Jesus wept.
Jesus Christ be praised
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would = indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.TVC15 wrote:No you didn’t say “definitely” but what do you think the word “would” means ? You realise it’s different to the word “could”.
What is the difference between would and definitely in the context of what you said ?
definitely = without doubt
Clear difference, I suggest you go and get your GCSE English if that baffles you
Edit: and again, if you read the context of the conversation we were talking about market value for players
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#BOYSIE31 wrote:Answer to all our midfield shortcomings by quite a few people - the lad hasn't played in league 1 yet
You would be so disappointed if he does, wont you? I'd hate to be involved with you as a family member or colleague. Let me guess you have never done a positive thing in your life. You just expect others to deliver what you have no assets or commitment to. Please go away.
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Lazy I know, but our feeder clubs verdict on Brownhill https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leed ... r-16394333
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Quote from Woodgate regarding our interest in Fry
"Jonathan Woodgate says "special" Dael Fry wants to stay and play for his hometown club, amid interest from the Premier League.
The head coach is desperate to keep the defender, who he describes as Boro's "most valuable player".
And he's warned top flight clubs that Fry is worth as much as Adam Webster, the defender who left Bristol City for Brighton for more than £20m last week.
Burnley this week had an £8m offer for Fry turned down, with the Clarets still pondering over whether to table an improved bid for the 21-year-old.
That likely depends on whether they can keep hold of James Tarkowski, who has been linked with Leicester on the back of Harry Maguire's world record move to Manchester United. Another Burnley defender, Kevin Long, has also been linked with a move, with Nottingham Forest keen. But Boro's Championship rivals have today completed the signing of Carl Jenkinson from Arsenal so may end their interest in Long.
Regardless of what goes on at Burnley, Woodgate is determined to keep Fry beyond Thursday's 5pm deadline."
"Jonathan Woodgate says "special" Dael Fry wants to stay and play for his hometown club, amid interest from the Premier League.
The head coach is desperate to keep the defender, who he describes as Boro's "most valuable player".
And he's warned top flight clubs that Fry is worth as much as Adam Webster, the defender who left Bristol City for Brighton for more than £20m last week.
Burnley this week had an £8m offer for Fry turned down, with the Clarets still pondering over whether to table an improved bid for the 21-year-old.
That likely depends on whether they can keep hold of James Tarkowski, who has been linked with Leicester on the back of Harry Maguire's world record move to Manchester United. Another Burnley defender, Kevin Long, has also been linked with a move, with Nottingham Forest keen. But Boro's Championship rivals have today completed the signing of Carl Jenkinson from Arsenal so may end their interest in Long.
Regardless of what goes on at Burnley, Woodgate is determined to keep Fry beyond Thursday's 5pm deadline."
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We’ll buy them, or will have bought them previously like Taylor, Tarks, PopeGranny WeatherWax wrote:Exactly. So what happens when we need to replace first eleven players with those of equal quality?
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I believe Drinkwater still has a home in Cheshire which may help but if WHU come calling that may be the end for us
A loan could still be the answer at this late stage (cuts down a bit on some haggling and especially if a player does not want to commit to us on a permanent basis)
We need that 4th CM given the unknown that is Defour, even if it is as a squad player (but better than someone like Jones)
The young guy Skipp from Spurs is hardly likely to get much game time for them this year (did make a few apps last season inc coming on at the Turf)
Wanyama must be way down their list although fitness could be an issue
Given Everton's spending spree Tom Davies could be an option
Utd have a few younger guys who are not going to feature on a regular basis
Just hope someone can find that bloody rabbit !
A loan could still be the answer at this late stage (cuts down a bit on some haggling and especially if a player does not want to commit to us on a permanent basis)
We need that 4th CM given the unknown that is Defour, even if it is as a squad player (but better than someone like Jones)
The young guy Skipp from Spurs is hardly likely to get much game time for them this year (did make a few apps last season inc coming on at the Turf)
Wanyama must be way down their list although fitness could be an issue
Given Everton's spending spree Tom Davies could be an option
Utd have a few younger guys who are not going to feature on a regular basis
Just hope someone can find that bloody rabbit !
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Don’t try and be clever by using dictionary definitions - it’s about contextVegas Claret wrote:would = indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.
definitely = without doubt
Clear difference, I suggest you go and get your GCSE English if that baffles you
You said that there are plenty of good foreign signings that “would” improve the team - how exactly is that different to saying they would definitely improve the team ?
Either they would or they wouldn’t...there’s no in between....or if there is that’s when words like could and might are used.
Of course it’s semantics but you are the one who pulled up another poster.
Getting back to the point I think you were making - I kind of agree but the club have chosen to not go down this road or probably more accurately deploy less resources than other teams in trying to buy foreign players. That said we did try and get the Belgian lad who went to Atlanta and appeared to be after Camarasa. We also were on the verge of signing Grozicky.
I don’t think there is a deliberate strategy to not buy foreign players - it’s more about being more risk adverse and choosing to buy more players of a certain style and character.
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Jesus weptclaret59 wrote:Hibsclaret wrote:
Exactly Jesus wept.
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I’m Mike Rigg didn’t you know i love MetallicaDevils_Advocate wrote:Only here to see the creepingdeath likes
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Just to put this out there....Dennis Praet is available from Sampdoria for 18 million. Less than Leeds want 25 million for an unproven Phillips.
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Brighton are plotting a deadline day move for Huddersfield’s Aaron Mooy.
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Yeah, nobody's saying that either.BOYSIE31 wrote:Answer to all our midfield shortcomings by quite a few people - the lad hasn't played in league 1 yet
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So they are waiting until tomorrow before making a move?Reecey1987 wrote:Brighton are plotting a deadline day move for Huddersfield’s Aaron Mooy.
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Here's the second best version of you ever.creepingdeath wrote:I’m Mike Rigg didn’t you know i love Metallica
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https://www.footballinsider247.com/sour ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Spijed wrote:So they are waiting until tomorrow before making a move?
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Victor Camarasa signs for Crystal Palace
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Supposed to be signing for Leicester, but read his wage demands are causing an issue. Not an easy window for sure (are they ever?), I am just hoping we manage to bring in this elusive central midfielder from somewhereCleveleys_claret wrote:Just to put this out there....Dennis Praet is available from Sampdoria for 18 million. Less than Leeds want 25 million for an unproven Phillips.
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If keeping a team like Burnley, with a small population, no sugar daddy, in the prem for the last 4 years isn't amazing success, you're on the wrong planet, never mind the wrong message board.kentonclaret wrote:Claret Tony
Where is your evidence for this transfer window up until now that "there are a number of people within the club who are being paid to identify players and doing so with some amazing success"?
Jay Rodriguez was identified during last summer's transfer window and was the subject of umpteen posts on this board but other than that not much else has happened (thus far).
Amazing success is stretching things just a tad don't you think?
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Don’t be daft. We have John Benson.NickBFC wrote:Supposed to be signing for Leicester, but read his wage demands are causing an issue. Not an easy window for sure (are they ever?), I am just hoping we manage to bring in this elusive central midfielder from somewhere
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Given what Vardy and Schmeichel are on and wages for Praet being an issue, there is absolutely no chance he will be coming to us.NickBFC wrote:Supposed to be signing for Leicester, but read his wage demands are causing an issue. Not an easy window for sure (are they ever?), I am just hoping we manage to bring in this elusive central midfielder from somewhere
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no, a definition is exactly that no matter which way you try to twist itTVC15 wrote:Don’t try and be clever by using dictionary definitions - it’s about context
You said that there are plenty of good foreign signings that “would” improve the team - how exactly is that different to saying they would definitely improve the team ?
Either they would or they wouldn’t...there’s no in between....or if there is that’s when words like could and might are used.
Of course it’s semantics but you are the one who pulled up another poster.
Getting back to the point I think you were making - I kind of agree but the club have chosen to not go down this road or probably more accurately deploy less resources than other teams in trying to buy foreign players. That said we did try and get the Belgian lad who went to Atlanta and appeared to be after Camarasa. We also were on the verge of signing Grozicky.
I don’t think there is a deliberate strategy to not buy foreign players - it’s more about being more risk adverse and choosing to buy more players of a certain style and character.
To your points though - you are just backing up what I was questioning - either our scouting network isn't what it should be (by choice quite possibly as you point out) or we have chosen to stay with the British players as much as possible - I was merely pointing out that that means we struggle to compete in that particular market so it makes sense to look elsewhere. There are "bargains" (relative as we are talking about football!) to be had abroad in comparison to shopping on our shores. As an example a a couple of transfer windows ago it was mentioned on here we might be wise to look at Pepe who was available for around 15 million - he's just gone to Arsenal for 75 or something along those lines - the players are there, we've wasted boat loads of cash on the likes of Wells, Vydra, Crouch, etc etc etc, I'd just like to see them take a chance on players outside the UK. There have been dozens of players mentioned on here way before they have gone for ridiculous transfer fees
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Can anyone explain why we turned down a small transfer fee for Nahki Wells, but we're willing to let him go on loan till the end of the season when he'll go on a free and we'll get nothing?
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More I think about the Drinkwater rumour, the more I seriously want it to go through. Drinkwater-Westwood would literally be the massively upgraded Barton-Jones of the Premier League.
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Please dont think I was saying we should sign him. I was just comparing a Belgian international who has champions league and top flight experience in a couple of countries is valued as less than a player with one good season in the Championship.Hibsclaret wrote:Given what Vardy and Schmeichel are on and wages for Praet being an issue, there is absolutely no chance he will be coming to us.
The football pyramid in England now probably consists of 30 clubs who are owned by billionaires or close to that. They have no need to sell their players. We are not one of them 30 so to be in the top league still being competitive shows something we are doing is right.
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Think you are being slightly disingenuous there. Stan saw no value in bringing on kids either... he preferred to scout rejects from the big clubs.Woodleyclaret wrote:We historically following on John Bonds appointment bought has beens and dismantled the youth set up
It took years to get any players coming through with Jayrod being the only exception
Of recent times we have started to slowly improve and are attracting better coaches and youngsters to sign for us
But as our recent U23 results have shown we are miles off having a Southampton style production line.
Their system has produced saleable assets for years and that is something we should aspire to emulate
In the meantime we need better scouting to scour the lower leagues for rising stars
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Complete guesswork but I'd say preferred option is to get a bigger fee for Vydra or use him in a part exchange in which case Wells will be kept as unused backup.jrgbfc wrote:Can anyone explain why we turned down a small transfer fee for Nahki Wells, but we're willing to let him go on loan till the end of the season when he'll go on a free and we'll get nothing?
If Vydra isn't gonna go they'll prob look to push a loan deal through tomorrow for Wells
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I know and I didn’t.Cleveleys_claret wrote:Please dont think I was saying we should sign him. I was just comparing a Belgian international who has champions league and top flight experience in a couple of countries is valued as less than a player with one good season in the Championship.
The football pyramid in England now probably consists of 30 clubs who are owned by billionaires or close to that. They have no need to sell their players. We are not one of them 30 so to be in the top league still being competitive shows something we are doing is right.
Don’t think he’s as good as a fit Defour and very much overpriced along with many of the European players. Take your point regarding the transfer fees but the wages remain the key issue.
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Yet our transfer record is still up there with the best - for every Kante and Marhez there are many more Slimanis. The facts of it are though that all clubs make mistakes in the transfer market - whether its players from abroad or the UK...and during the last 6 years I can’t think of many teams (or any) who have made fewer mistakes than us. That doesn’t mean we are getting everything right - clearly we are not - but the end result is fundamentally that as fans we have been given the best period of success for half a century....as a fan I never thought i’d see us in the top league or winning the Championship even - yet here we are enjoying nearly a decade of mostly great times.Vegas Claret wrote:no, a definition is exactly that no matter which way you try to twist it
To your points though - you are just backing up what I was questioning - either our scouting network isn't what it should be (by choice quite possibly as you point out) or we have chosen to stay with the British players as much as possible - I was merely pointing out that that means we struggle to compete in that particular market so it makes sense to look elsewhere. There are "bargains" (relative as we are talking about football!) to be had abroad in comparison to shopping on our shores. As an example a a couple of transfer windows ago it was mentioned on here we might be wise to look at Pepe who was available for around 15 million - he's just gone to Arsenal for 75 or something along those lines - the players are there, we've wasted boat loads of cash on the likes of Wells, Vydra, Crouch, etc etc etc, I'd just like to see them take a chance on players outside the UK. There have been dozens of players mentioned on here way before they have gone for ridiculous transfer fees
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To mention but a few:Woodleyclaret wrote:We historically following on John Bonds appointment bought has beens and dismantled the youth set up
It took years to get any players coming through with Jayrod being the only exception
Of recent times we have started to slowly improve and are attracting better coaches and youngsters to sign for us
But as our recent U23 results have shown we are miles off having a Southampton style production line.
Their system has produced saleable assets for years and that is something we should aspire to emulate
In the meantime we need better scouting to scour the lower leagues for rising stars
Brad Maylett
Wayne Dowell
Paul Smith
Kane Hanley
John Cofie
Paul Weller
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I remember Stan saying precisely that at a shareholders meeting.elwaclaret wrote:Think you are being slightly disingenuous there. Stan saw no value in bringing on kids either... he preferred to scout rejects from the big clubs.
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Has the fax gone out yet ?
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Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)
No the telephone connection is tied up dealing with whining fans.Nonayforever wrote:Has the fax gone out yet ?
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