He'll probably be partnering Lindelof mostly.

Phil Jones and Smalling are on the fade.Both are poor and i increasingly making costly errors.
Thats why United needed a new or even two cbs.Ironically, they could have resigned Keano at the time Everton stepped in and saved £50m

Burnley Ace wrote:Friday night comedy!! He has done nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest he should be in our starting 11. Every time he’s come on he looks out of his depth. Get him back to the Championship

I wasn’t aware that Harry Maguire played for Burnley.

jrgbfc wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens with McNeil now he's a bit more established. Will Dyche let him play his natural game or will we see all the flair knocked out of him?

Do you ever give it a rest?

Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

FB saying Leicester have offered £20 million plus add ons for Tarks. Have I missed this one. Surely it's a wind up.

BOYSIE31 wrote:Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

I am still expecting serious investment in our cm. I won't criticise yet, but if we don't tbh we deserve to be relegated on the grounds of negligence.

Longsider wrote:FB saying Leicester have offered £20 million plus add ons for Tarks. Have I missed this one. Surely it's a wind up.

Probably as much as a wind up as our hilarious double bid for Dawson and Rodriguez a few windows ago.

Longsider wrote:FB saying Leicester have offered £20 million plus add ons for Tarks. Have I missed this one. Surely it's a wind up.

Unless the add on is another £25m!

We can't expect to receive top dollar for a player and then complain when clubs want the same in return.

summitclaret wrote:I am still expecting serious investment in our cm. I won't criticise yet, but if we don't tbh we deserve to be relegated on the grounds of negligence.

I would like to see 2 come in for midfield

BOYSIE31 wrote:I would like to see 2 come in for midfield

Why two?

BOYSIE31 wrote:Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

Let's see how the transfer window and the following season turn out before you get on your high horse.

Murger wrote:We can't expect to receive top dollar for a player and then complain when clubs want the same in return.

Shouldn't that have been posted on Up the Foxes Messageboard?

summitclaret wrote:I am still expecting serious investment in our cm. I won't criticise yet, but if we don't tbh we deserve to be relegated on the grounds of negligence.

I'm expecting SD to let Tarks go cheap and not replace him. A lot of his success is down to his relationship with the players and doing right by them. I believe if Tarks wants to go, then SD would see it as being fair to let him go, even if the price is only £20 million. We would just say it is an undisclosed fee.

Spijed wrote:Why two?

Competition

Wtf

BOYSIE31 wrote:Competition

So you'd like us to spend a lot of money on a bench warmer?

Spijed wrote:So you'd like us to spend a lot of money on a bench warmer?

No to start

BOYSIE31 wrote:No to start

You want the moon on a stick.

Steddyman wrote:I'm expecting SD to let Tarks go cheap and not replace him. A lot of his success is down to his relationship with the players and doing right by them. I believe if Tarks wants to go, then SD would see it as being fair to let him go, even if the price is only £20 million. We would just say it is an undisclosed fee.

That's absolute bobbins. Why would Dyche want to let one of his biggest assets go on the cheap when he knows money is tight here?

Ive read a lot of stupid stuff on this board but come on Steddyman

Is it true that there is a £50 million clause for Tarks? or is that UTC talk.?

Blyclaret wrote:Ive read a lot of stupid stuff on this board but come on Steddyman

That's beyond stupid

BOYSIE31 wrote:Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

Go and ******* support Wigan then.

summitclaret wrote:I am still expecting serious investment in our cm. I won't criticise yet, but if we don't tbh we deserve to be relegated on the grounds of negligence.

The only grounds for deserving relegation are the grounds of not getting enough points. If we finished top half, would you boo them off they didn't sign who you told them to?

I hate these windows. It's just an opportunity for the people who think Dyche is incompetent, to spout their weird beliefs.

BOYSIE31 wrote:No to start

So you think we should buy, not one, but two good Premier league players to start in the centre of our midfield?

And how much should we be willing to spend on each, out of interest?

Spijed wrote:
And how much should we be willing to spend on each, out of interest?

dsr wrote:The only grounds for deserving relegation are the grounds of not getting enough points. If we finished top half, would you boo them off they didn't sign who you told them to?

I hate these windows. It's just an opportunity for the people who think Dyche is incompetent, to spout their weird beliefs.

It would seem you have two options then, if you don't like seeing opinions which differ from yours.

a.) you could decide not to view this board, or just certain threads, during the transfer window

or

b.) you could add posters who you think will give an opinion that differs to yours to your 'foe' list.

If you do that, it should mean that debates can continue with people putting forward their thoughts and others having the opportunity to challenge them. Much like what happens on a fans forum, incidentally.

BOYSIE31 wrote:Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

Right, it's sunk in. And I've thought of two things.

1. We aren't currently being outspent by Wigan. Unless they've seriously overpaid for Crusty the Pie.
2.

ksrclaret wrote:It would seem you have two options then, if you don't like seeing opinions which differ from yours.

a.) you could decide not to view this board, or just certain threads, during the transfer window

or

b.) you could add posters who you think will give an opinion that differs to yours to your 'foe' list.

If you do that, it should mean that debates can continue with people putting forward their thoughts and others having the opportunity to challenge them. Much like what happens on a fans forum, incidentally.

It's not that I don't like seeing these opinions about Sean Dyche and his general incompetence over many years. It's that I don't like people having them. (Though obviously people can believe anything right up to the earth being flat if they want to.) It is beyond my belief to think that so many posts on this thread share the same theme - that Dyche doesn't know what he is doing. Where do they expect Burnley to be in the League hierarchy? How do they think we have got there?

So instead of putting people on ignore, what I do is put forward my thoughts and others have the opportunity to challenge them. Much like what happens on a fans forum, incidentally.

Another big Spice delivery in town this evening?

dsr wrote:It's not that I don't like seeing these opinions about Sean Dyche and his general incompetence over many years. It's that I don't like people having them. (Though obviously people can believe anything right up to the earth being flat if they want to.) It is beyond my belief to think that so many posts on this thread share the same theme - that Dyche doesn't know what he is doing. Where do they expect Burnley to be in the League hierarchy? How do they think we have got there?

So instead of putting people on ignore, what I do is put forward my thoughts and others have the opportunity to challenge them. Much like what happens on a fans forum, incidentally.

It's just you expressed hatred towards the transfer window. If it gets you that worked up, maybe you should take my advice mate. It's only football, after all.

I just think doing right by the players is the most important way he has of maintaining player Unity. They trust in him and he trusts in them. Perhaps it won't be £20 million but it will surely be a lot less than £50 million.

We've let players go before on a free that we could have sold for this reason, for example George Boyd and Dean Marney.

BOYSIE31 wrote:Currently being outspent by Wigan this window - let that sink in for a moment

So what? What possible relevance has Wigan's spending got to do with us?

Steddyman wrote:I just think doing right by the players is the most important way he has of maintaining player Unity. They trust in him and he trusts in them. Perhaps it won't be £20 million but it will surely be a lot less than £50 million.

We've let players go before on a free that we could have sold for this reason, for example George Boyd and Dean Marney.

I'd have thought Garlick might have something to say about letting him go for, potentially, half of his value.

dsr wrote:The only grounds for deserving relegation are the grounds of not getting enough points. If we finished top half, would you boo them off they didn't sign who you told them to?

I hate these windows. It's just an opportunity for the people who think Dyche is incompetent, to spout their weird beliefs.

I have not problem with SD. The constraints he works under don't appear to be reasonable. It's not weird to have 4 fit capable central midfielders. It's classic happy clapper to think we can make do again with 3 AGAIN.

Steddyman wrote:I just think doing right by the players is the most important way he has of maintaining player Unity. They trust in him and he trusts in them. Perhaps it won't be £20 million but it will surely be a lot less than £50 million.

We've let players go before on a free that we could have sold for this reason, for example George Boyd and Dean Marney.

If this £50m escape clause is real, then Tarkowski wouldn't have a moral leg to stand on if he wants to leave for less. He agreed the figure when he signed the contract (last year?) so it stands.

It's one thing that the players trust him; but there are ways of getting that trust without letting them walk all over him. "Firm but fair" is how I see Dyche, and that's how he gets the respect even of arrogant players like Barton. Not be being spineless.

It’s just ridiculous that we insist on having a minimum of four goalkeepers (first team alone) yet are constantly under resourced in central midfield.

That position, in particular, we never have any strength in depth whatsoever. If we don’t plug it this summer I will be really disappointed and concerned.

summitclaret wrote:I have not problem with SD. The constraints he works under don't appear to be reasonable. It's not weird to have 4 fit capable central midfielders. It's classic happy clapper to think we can make do again with 3 AGAIN.

It's classic happy clapper to think that Dyche knows what he's doing. It's classic unhappy booboy (if that's the opposite) to think that Dyche is OK but how much better he would be if he would listen to his advice.

We all know by now that Dyche would rather sign nobody than sign someone he doesn't want; and the list of players he doesn't want is long. As Maria von Trapp almost said, you can't ask Sean Dyche to be less than what he is. If he had signed a few more unwanted players, would we be doing better than we are?

jedi_master wrote:It’s just ridiculous that we insist on having a minimum of four goalkeepers (first team alone) yet are constantly under resourced in central midfield.

That position, in particular, we never have any strength in depth whatsoever. If we don’t plug it this summer I will be really disappointed and concerned.

There was one year we had strength in depth in central midfield - we came 7th!!

dsr wrote:It's classic happy clapper to think that Dyche knows what he's doing. It's classic unhappy booboy (if that's the opposite) to think that Dyche is OK but how much better he would be if he would listen to his advice.

We all know by now that Dyche would rather sign nobody than sign someone he doesn't want; and the list of players he doesn't want is long. As Maria von Trapp almost said, you can't ask Sean Dyche to be less than what he is. If he had signed a few more unwanted players, would we be doing better than we are?

Is that the best you can come up with ? Do you really think the best manager we have had since Potts thinks we can make do with 3 in cm, especially after that approach has relegated us once and almost did again last season. I don't. We must have at least £70m in the bank before the new Sky money.

Devils_Advocate wrote:There was one year we had strength in depth in central midfield - we came 7th!!

That's true. I've just checked the squad list and we had four central midfield players to call on - Cork, Hendrick, Defour, and Westwood. Though Defour was injured for almost half the season.

summitclaret wrote:Is that the best you can come up with ? Do you really think the best manager we have had since Potts thinks we can make do with 3 in cm, especially after that approach has relegated us once and almost did again last season. I don't. We must have at least £70m in the bank before the new Sky money.

So now you're saying that Dyche has told the board of directors who he wants and the board won't pay? I don't believe that either. I reckon Dyche has a lot more power at this club than you think.

I think our Board is generally risk averse but has a massive blind spot re cm and goes against it's general approach.

Steddyman wrote:I just think doing right by the players is the most important way he has of maintaining player Unity. They trust in him and he trusts in them. Perhaps it won't be £20 million but it will surely be a lot less than £50 million.

We've let players go before on a free that we could have sold for this reason, for example George Boyd and Dean Marney.

Chairman decides not Dyche, he'll get as much as he can for any player we sell and rightly so

dsr wrote:That's true. I've just checked the squad list and we had four central midfield players to call on - Cork, Hendrick, Defour, and Westwood. Though Defour was injured for almost half the season.

Yep and thats why you have strength in depth

summitclaret wrote: We must have at least £70m in the bank before the new Sky money.

How come you think that?

You will know much better than me. Happy to be corrected.