Playing out from the back

[Bin Ont Turf]

It's been going on for 40 plus years, it's nothing new.

What is new is the f***ing about at the back, p***ing about in your own penalty area and thinking that your goalkeeper is a great footballer.

If Burnley ever start doing that sh1te then I'll have to give up watching, probably on doctors orders.

[MDWat]

Playing out from the back is fine sometimes. So is humping it sometimes.

Don’t really get the outcry. England aren’t balancing their play and are trying to play out from the back with players who can’t do it, particularly Stones who is ******* rancid.

[dsr]

To be fair, the Lingard goal was started by playing out from the back; but that time the risk of the pass was offset by the possible (and actual) benefit of playing it to a man in space. The Stones one, the risk was giving away a goal; the possible benefit was that instead of giving it to his goalkeeper right now, he could give it to his goalkeeper a second later. That was idiocy. And the third one, I don't know who played the suicide pass to Barkley, but Barkley didn't help by having switched off completely and not knowing that there was a Dutchman in front of him.

[bumba]

To be fair, the Lingard goal was started by playing out from the back; but that time the risk of the pass was offset by the possible (and actual) benefit of playing it to a man in space. The Stones one, the risk was giving away a goal; the possible benefit was that instead of giving it to his goalkeeper right now, he could give it to his goalkeeper a second later. That was idiocy. And the third one, I don't know who played the suicide pass to Barkley, but Barkley didn't help by having switched off completely and not knowing that there was a Dutchman in front of him.

Stone's played the wrong pass to Barkley, Stone's tried beating his man for the second, oh and Stone's lost his man for the first goal too easily

[Bin Ont Turf]

We're 2-1 down and still playing it out from the back, which is fine.

But playing a ball to a player on the edge of our box with a man up his arse is suicide.

And Barkley is getting blamed for a poor touch/pass? The mind boggles.

[dsr]

We're 2-1 down and still playing it out from the back, which is fine.

But playing a ball to a player on the edge of our box with a man up his arse is suicide.

And Barkley is getting blamed for a poor touch/pass? The mind boggles.

Barkley was given a very poor ball. But he had other options - he didn't have to give the ball to an unmarked Dutchman in front of goal. He could have hammered it out for a corner, for example.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Barkley was given a very poor ball. But he had other options - he didn't have to give the ball to an unmarked Dutchman in front of goal. He could have hammered it out for a corner, for example.

But then why play it to him in the first place, if he has to hammer it out for a corner?

It could have been lumped up field instead if that was the other option.

[bumba]

Barkley was given a very poor ball. But he had other options - he didn't have to give the ball to an unmarked Dutchman in front of goal. He could have hammered it out for a corner, for example.

Stone's had an easy pass on to the keeper or a clearence up field, 2-1 down in extra time was it worth the risk?

Feel for Barkley he should never have received the pass

[Rileybobs]

Barkley was given the ball under pressure with nowhere to go but back to his keeper, with the ball played between his feet and a player breathing down his neck. I suppose he could have smashed it out for a corner but there was no reason for him to have been put into that position.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

They were doing it (badly) all game, it was bound to cost us, and it did.

[elwaclaret]

There is a time and place. If you constantly play out from the back you get caught in possession, unless you have a proper footballing CH, have we had many since Bobby Moore?

Mere mortals mix it to keep it fresh and keep the opposition guessing.

[DCWat]

It’s about making the right decisions. Passing it out from the back should nearly always be the chosen option, if there is time to do so.

Whilst Stones was at fault plenty tonight (Maguire was bloody awful too) the biggest issue was the lack of movement in front of them and therefore, limited options.

The groans at The Turf, when we are playing it back or across defence, can be really frustrating. They’re usually followed by “get it bloody forward”!

[middleton claret]

Action v Consequences. More goals are conceded by mistakes than scored on the break. Unless you have world class players comfortable in their ability, Row Z is the best option.

[Wile E Coyote]

i think its fine and dandy if you are 1 , or 2 goals up, and nicely looking to build good base to set the team up.
If on the other hand you are in a battle, hoof it, boot it, clear it by any means possible, who care where it lands.
Players **** up, and it just results in unecessary pressure for no good reason.

[DCWat]

Action v Consequences. More goals are conceded by mistakes than scored on the break. Unless you have world class players comfortable in their ability, Row Z is the best option.

I don’t think that’s necessarily a fair comparison.

It’s definitely fair to say though that more goals are scored through having possession of the ball, which for me is the basis for not hitting it into row z (though it should always be an option).

Teams with better players will always be better at playing from the back. That doesn’t mean that we can’t or shouldn’t play in such a way.

[Spike]

Playing out from the back makes one imagine that you attempt to play the ball out.

That was simply shocking defending from players who haven’t played many games this season

Without his waistcoat The manager is a shadow of himself!

A blind man on a galloping horse can see that Mee n Tarks are much better defenders and with game time inside them

[gc14]

There is a difference between playing it out from the back ( passing along the back 4 shifting the players about to make
space ) and the suicidal trying to nutmeg the centre forward when you are the last man ... A few of that line up can't get
a game in their club sides and their performances last night showed why ...
Women's World Cup starting now It's Coming Home !! (again )

[Claretmatt4]

The only time Holland looked like scoring was when we gifted them the ball. They were shite with it and we were defending well.

Upto southgate to let the players know that and he didn't.

[Rowls]

We saw under Eddie Howe at Burnley exactly how not to do this and we see it for England under Southgate too.

It's nothing new for Southgate - it was a common feature of his Middlesbrough side and it happened at the World Cup with England too.

[Hipper]

The key of course is to play football to the style that your players are capable of, and not develop a system and then fit players into it - unless you have the pick of the world's best players.

[TVC15]

We saw under Eddie Howe at Burnley exactly how not to do this and we see it for England under Southgate too.

It's nothing new for Southgate - it was a common feature of his Middlesbrough side and it happened at the World Cup with England too.

I was at Huddersfield away when we playing that style under Howe. Rhodes scored just before his big move to Blackburn. It was without doubt one of the worst displays I have seen in years from a burnley team. We had a decent team that day - Austin etc but I don’t think we created a chance and watching our keeper and defenders trying to pass it amongst themselves was excruciating peeping through your fingers for all our fans.

I know this style as brought a bit of success for Southgate but that does not mean they would not have had similar success being far more selective when they decide to play out. Germany and Italy have won many world cups between them and i can’t remember any of their sides taking these kind of risks.

[ashtonlongsider]

I personally think its as poor a back 5 that England have put out in a long while. I don't think Pickford has a reassuring presence. Walker may be ok playing in a 3-5-2 but not in a back 4. Chilwell has potential but he's far from the finished article. As for Maguire and particularly Stones. If we're going into the Euros with these two over hyped ball playing central defenders then for me we can forget about it now.

[DCWat]

I don’t get why a number of the ‘top clubs’ are rumoured to be after Maguire. He’s a solid centre half but that’s about his limit, from what I’ve seen of him.

Stones has more potential but that’s been said for a while now and he needs to show it and hold down a regular place for City.

[JimMcDonald]

Playing out from the back doesn't win you trophy's just ask Man City and Barcelona.

Have we ever played out from the back. Mee and Tasks just boot it as far as they can.

[TVC15]

Playing out from the back doesn't win you trophy's just ask Man City and Barcelona.

Have we ever played out from the back. Mee and Tasks just boot it as far as they can.

Yep that and spending billions of pounds on their team yet still City have never even reached a CL final.

[Steve1956]

Boring and time wasting....Hoof the Fuc**r!

[FactualFrank]

Playing out from the back doesn't win you trophy's just ask Man City and Barcelona.

Have we ever played out from the back. Mee and Tasks just boot it as far as they can.

Not the best example. Barca have played the ball out from the back for years including when they won the treble in 14-15.

[claret wizard]

Playing out from the back is the preferred option. However, if you play out from the back EVERY time you become predictable and invite the press. Look at how Barcelona and Man City get beat, you know how they will play and they are magnificent at it. A aversion of putting your foot through the ball means that the opposition can ignore some of defensive options they might otherwise consider. At the highest level that’s a disadvantage. As Dyche says, you have to mix it up. Go long to stretch the defence, keep them on the back front, stop them committing fully to a press. England didn’t do that which is why they had two or three players bearing down on the defenders every time we tried to play out. Couple of long hoofs for Rashford to turn the defence and they would had to play deeper and therefore more room to play out.

[WestMidsClaret]

It's ok playing out from the back if the defenders are seriously good defenders and can atone when giving the ball away/making mistakes. That defence last night was/is shite. Holland were crap if the final third but they didn't need to be good because our defence helped them out.