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Then (100 Years ago) and Now Maps

Post by harpers_perm » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:54 pm

I've spent hours on this site. Interesting to see how Burnley was.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by ... ht=BingHyb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:55 pm

That's brilliant!
Great post. Now I'm going to be stuck to a screen all weekend! :lol:
Very interesting though.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:11 pm

Looks rubbish in them days. The ones on the left dont have photographs?

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Post by HunterST_BFC » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:17 pm

Great site - cheers!

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Post by dougcollins » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:35 pm

That tramway from Rowley Colliery right down to the canal near the bottom of Ridge Road, to the old coal yard (now Jewson's?) - fascinating.

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Post by Leon_C » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:11 pm

Great find, harpers. MARIO and other sites have had new/old maps - but that's a really, really nice interface. That will kill some time for me!

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Post by bfcjg » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:34 pm

Excellent. Just checked out Gawthorpe was a cricket ground never knew that.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:48 pm

It shows Anne Street across from the Turf.
I think the Cricketers pub was on the corner.
My dad used to deposit me outside whilst he and his mates had a few pints before the game.
( I got a bag o crisps.) :? :D

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Post by Bertiebeehead » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:21 am

Fascinating looking at this and seeing how much greener and agricultural most places were back then.

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Post by Hipper » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:17 am

Here's a source of aerial photos.

https://ncap.org.uk/search?keywords=burnley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not just the UK but war photographs taken by the RAF. Here's one of my namesake, moored middle right at Gdynia, Poland, 1944:

https://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-1-11-352?pos=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by jrtod61 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:56 am

The Open Street Map option covers the whole civilised world.

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Post by dr dre » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:13 pm

Never realised how much the course of the Calder has changed around Gawthorpe Hall and the training ground.

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Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:26 pm

dr dre wrote:Never realised how much the course of the Calder has changed around Gawthorpe Hall and the training ground.
Apparently the owners of Gawthorpe Hall had the Calder diverted away from the hall in the late 1800's because of the stench.

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Post by Hipper » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:12 pm

Did Gawthorpe Hall smell bad in those days then?

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Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:23 pm

Great post this. I've just spent ages looking at the old street names and their locations, which I used to know in Burnley.

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Post by WadingInDeeper » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:35 pm

harpers_perm wrote:I've spent hours on this site.
I spend hours doing that, but not on that site. I get paid to do it though.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:54 pm

bfcjg wrote:Excellent. Just checked out Gawthorpe was a cricket ground never knew that.
Not sure which team played on that one, but move just 200 metres or so towards Padiham and you'll see another cricket ground with a football ground attached. That was on the site recently occupied by Main Gas Appliances at the end of Wyre St and was the home of Padiham FC and CC until they moved to the Arbories around 1950.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:59 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Not sure which team played on that one, but move just 200 metres or so towards Padiham and you'll see another cricket ground with a football ground attached. That was on the site recently occupied by Main Gas Appliances at the end of Wyre St and was the home of Padiham FC and CC until they moved to the Arbories around 1950.
Never knew that the two Padiham teams had only been up at the Arbories since 1950.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Never knew that the two Padiham teams had only been up at the Arbories since 1950.
The cricket club moved first shortly after the end of the War, but the football club stayed for a few years longer. My uncle who was on the turnstile paid me, as a 4 year old boy, to go and watch the football on offer.

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Post by Bfc » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:12 pm

That's brought back memories for me, having been born and raised around the Turf and never knowing of Azure St, later becoming Irene St.
While the Athletic Stadium( on Athletic St) is shown, the Greyhound Stadium on part of which is now the golf course is not?.
Lodge farmhouse at the end of Brunshaw Rd, was for many years later the home of Dr Iven. Across the road from it i can make out Stans house and fish pond. The glass bottle factory near the Park View chippy, was for many years the site of Parkinson Pills, which I think is still seen on a wall and would be where they made the bottles for pills and medicines.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:The cricket club moved first shortly after the end of the War, but the football club stayed for a few years longer. My uncle who was on the turnstile paid me, as a 4 year old boy, to go and watch the football on offer.
I suppose you just assume that things have always been in the same place.

I’ve only seen this thread and I’m on my phone but I’ll have a really good look at the link when I can.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I suppose you just assume that things have always been in the same place.

I’ve only seen this thread and I’m on my phone but I’ll have a really good look at the link when I can.
I think Padiham CC were one of the founder members of the Ribblesdale League, but the first game at the Arbories appears to be in 1949.

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Post by Somethingfishy » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:41 pm

Fascinating stuff. Especially interesting looking at the Whittlefield area that was decimated with the building of the M65. Vast area wiped out. I have no memory of this area although it was around when i was small...i think.

Interesting to see that Windsor St in Gannow as is now used to be called Slagg Street. Any reason this was changed? :D

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Post by thehistorylecturer » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:36 am

Bfc wrote:That's brought back memories for me, having been born and raised around the Turf and never knowing of Azure St, later becoming Irene St.
While the Athletic Stadium( on Athletic St) is shown, the Greyhound Stadium on part of which is now the golf course is not?.
Lodge farmhouse at the end of Brunshaw Rd, was for many years later the home of Dr Iven. Across the road from it i can make out Stans house and fish pond. The glass bottle factory near the Park View chippy, was for many years the site of Parkinson Pills, which I think is still seen on a wall and would be where they made the bottles for pills and medicines.
The Greyhound/Speedway stadium

http://blackcountrybiker.blogspot.com/2 ... short.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Map at the bottom

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Post by karatekid » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:55 am

Why is the culvert called the culvert when a culvert goes underneath a road not over?

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Post by Bfc » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:09 pm

Thanks for that thehistorylecturer. I didn’t know it was previously a speedway track. For years all what was left on the site was huge piece of concrete I scrambled on as a kid, near to arrow mark in the second picture.
The Co op laundry was later shared, then taken over by Co op milk. Them days it was horse n cart deliveries. As a kid I’d to go to St Johns Ivy St and every day got a lift up that area off milkman Duggie, to save on my bus fare. Later they started delivering with an electric cart, which had a pole which turned the wheels and a leaver when pressed, set it in motion.

thl,I wonder if you’ve got a photo of Ormerod House, as it was before it was pulled down in the 1900s. The owner John Hargreaves married one of 3 Ormerod sisters, who had lived there until their parents deaths. Another married the Reverend William Thursby, who owned vast areas of Burnley and the third to General Scarlett, who led the charge of the Heavy Brigade. Hargreaves mined under his own home, which resulted in it subsiding, bad enough for it to be demolished. Going off a photo I’ve seen, it looked to a lot bigger and grander than Towneley Hall.

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Post by thehistorylecturer » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:10 pm

Bfc wrote:Thanks for that thehistorylecturer. I didn’t know it was previously a speedway track. For years all what was left on the site was huge piece of concrete I scrambled on as a kid, near to arrow mark in the second picture.
The Co op laundry was later shared, then taken over by Co op milk. Them days it was horse n cart deliveries. As a kid I’d to go to St Johns Ivy St and every day got a lift up that area off milkman Duggie, to save on my bus fare. Later they started delivering with an electric cart, which had a pole which turned the wheels and a leaver when pressed, set it in motion.

thl,I wonder if you’ve got a photo of Ormerod House, as it was before it was pulled down in the 1900s. The owner John Hargreaves married one of 3 Ormerod sisters, who had lived there until their parents deaths. Another married the Reverend William Thursby, who owned vast areas of Burnley and the third to General Scarlett, who led the charge of the Heavy Brigade. Hargreaves mined under his own home, which resulted in it subsiding, bad enough for it to be demolished. Going off a photo I’ve seen, it looked to a lot bigger and grander than Towneley Hall.

http://www.lostheritage.org.uk/houses/l ... llery.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

also here

https://www.francisfrith.com/burnley/bu ... 1895_35805" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by thehistorylecturer » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:23 pm

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=1 ... yers=6&b=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

use the blue dot to overlay or remove present day

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Post by Bfc » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:25 pm

I wasn’t aware of Ormerod Hall being damaged by fire around 1922. The building had to be demolished in 1929. I can only assume coal mining subsidence had not started to affect the Hall at the time of the fire, or they wouldn’t have probably spent a lot of money in repairing it. Such a shame. But I bet Mr Hargreaves wasn’t popular with his wife.
The Thursby I mentioned earlier sold most of his land and estate holdings in lots, including Burnley football and cricket grounds at auction around 1923. I’ve a copy of the page from the huge catalogue, showing both lots and it describes what the buyer gets for his money ie the each clubs acreage and buildings.

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Post by thehistorylecturer » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:37 pm

It looked to be a fine building

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:46 pm

I had no idea there was an Athletic stadium or a speedway track !! was the speedway track near the golf course on same side of river as Towneley school ?I cant tell from the map

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Post by Bfc » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:03 pm

WEC go to post 28 and tap on the link. Scroll down to the bottom photo, with the arrow and it's roughly where the speedway track was. Towneley school was on the same side.
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Post by Bosscat » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:54 pm

harpers_perm wrote:I've spent hours on this site. Interesting to see how Burnley was.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by ... ht=BingHyb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just for Trevor he couldnt find the thread.....
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:20 pm

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I think this is the athletics stadium

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Post by Bfc » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:19 pm

CT, that was Accy Clarets first away trip by plane.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:[
I think this is the athletics stadium
Is it Barden Lane track? I don’t remember stands at all.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:57 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Is it Barden Lane track? I don’t remember stands at all.
No, just off Athletic Street near the Turf
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, just off Athletic Street near the Turf
You’ve got me there. I used to park on the rec but don't remember seeing a running track.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:21 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:You’ve got me there. I used to park on the rec but don't remember seeing a running track.
You won’t have, it’s not been there in donkeys years
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