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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Pearcey » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:02 pm

Dyche very rarely plays him, so I’d understand if he left. I cant say it would be a mistake to let him go because I’ve hardly seen him play. If we bring in better, then he can go for me.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by claretspice » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm

Ok - if you think Dyche would be wrong to sell him, so be it. I'm not getting into an argument about that. Nor am I going to get into a debate about the word "credibly". Suffice to say it wasn't a dig at you or anyone else (I'm not really into that game), it was an observation that - in my opinion - Dyche will have a lot more evidence to go on and so will be much better placed than anyone on this board to form an opinion.

In any event, I note the usually reliable Phil Hey at the YEP has doubted this story, so perhaps there's nothing in it.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Frank’s “great Monday” hasn’t lasted.
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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by DustyBawls » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Told by someone very close to the club that the bid has been made and turned down.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:11 pm

DustyBawls wrote:Told by someone very close to the club that the bid has been made and turned down.
Good!

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by dsr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:18 pm

They won't sell for £6m. If they sell Vydra, they need a replacement, and there's no guarantee (in fact, it's unlikely) that a £6m replacement would be as good.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:21 pm

dsr wrote:They won't sell for £6m. If they sell Vydra, they need a replacement, and there's no guarantee (in fact, it's unlikely) that a £6m replacement would be as good.
The thinking might be in snapping up Rodriguez. I'm not convinced, but a lot of people with claret tinted bifocals on. I'd sooner we keep Vydra and give him more of a chance.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by jedi_master » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:21 pm

£8m and he will be gone, that would cover Rodriguez.

If Dyche could trade Vydra for Rodriguez this summer he would, in a heartbeat.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:24 pm

jedi_master wrote:£8m and he will be gone, that would cover Rodriguez.
If Dyche could trade Vydra for Rodriguez this summer he would, in a heartbeat.
Vydra showed when he was in the Championship that he's a much better player than Rodriguez. It would be a strange move unless we make a profit - even then...
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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:26 pm

straight swap for Clarke would be good for us

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Vydra showed when he was in the Championship that he's a much better player than Rodriguez. It would be a strange move unless we make a profit - even then...
Spot on

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by jedi_master » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:28 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Vydra showed when he was in the Championship that he's a much better player than Rodriguez. It would be a strange move unless we make a profit - even then...
Not convinced he has, Rodriguez scored more last season than Vydra ever has in that league, and has been a success in the Premier League whereas Vydra has tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly.

People can keep blaming Dyche for Vydra not succeeding - he sees him in training and thinks he is not good enough, that's fine by me. Who am I to say Wood/Barnes should have been dropped for him when they have both hit double figures again? Vydra has not had much of a go but on his rare appearances has not impressed me. Just my opinion.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:29 pm

Rodriguez just isn’t the right profile. We have Wood and Barnes - we don’t need him. Che Adams should obviously be priority but failing that, a similarly younger, quicker striker is needed.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:31 pm

SGr wrote:Che Adams should obviously be priority but failing that, a similarly younger, quicker striker is needed.
That is certainly what we are missing. I would be chuffed to bits if we got Che Adams. Him and a talented central midfielder and that would be superb.

Adams, Vydra, Wood, Barnes.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:33 pm

jedi_master wrote:Not convinced he has, Rodriguez scored more last season than Vydra ever has in that league
Scored one more than Vydra did in 17/18, in 5 more games. And Vydra was played behind the striker.

As I said though, the question should be what does Rodriguez offer that we don’t already have?

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Selling Vydra for Rodriguez and then Rodriguez would be on the bench.

What's the point?

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Stalbansclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:39 pm

I'm a bit baffled why, every time there has been a thread on Vydra, there are posters who evidently regard him as a strong asset for us. I think he has been largely hopeless in his, admittedly limited, appearances and, perhaps more significantly, he has no track record at all of success in previous PL club spells (WBA and Watford).
Better than Jay-Rod ? Definitely not for me. I'd be happy to see him go and increase the club's motivation to buy Adams (and/or...ideally and...Jay Rod)

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:44 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:I'm a bit baffled why, every time there has been a thread on Vydra, there are posters who evidently regard him as a strong asset for us. I think he has been largely hopeless in his, admittedly limited, appearances and, perhaps more significantly, he has no track record at all of success in previous PL club spells (WBA and Watford).
Better than Jay-Rod ? Definitely not for me. I'd be happy to see him go and increase the club's motivation to buy Adams (and/or...ideally and...Jay Rod)
I thought Wood would be an asset for us. And I thought Taylor would be an asset for us.
It's extremely simple - people such as myself will have watched him in the Champ. I have family who live in Matlock and been to quite a few Derby games when he played for them. When you watch players you just either rate them or you don't. I rate him a lot.

You shouldn't be baffled. When people watch players they form an opinion of them as a player. That's all I've done.

Had you watched him as much as I have, you too would rate him, that I'm sure of.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:47 pm

considering Brentford have apparently priced one of their wingers at 30 million I doubt we will be selling Vydra for 6 !

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by CFS » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:57 pm

SGr wrote:Scored one more than Vydra did in 17/18, in 5 more games. And Vydra was played behind the striker.

As I said though, the question should be what does Rodriguez offer that we don’t already have?
Jrod played wide left and wide right most the season with Gayle up top. Vydra just physically never going to cut it in this league so I would move him on.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:59 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Frank’s “great Monday” hasn’t lasted.
Perhaps he is a Wednesdays child :roll:

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by claretspice » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:00 pm

SGr wrote:Scored one more than Vydra did in 17/18, in 5 more games. And Vydra was played behind the striker.

As I said though, the question should be what does Rodriguez offer that we don’t already have?
Firstly, in fairness to Jay, I think he's generally been used by WBA as the deeper of two forwards, dropping in to help midfield and link the play (certainly when i've seen him).

But to answer the question - i think there's two particular things:

1. Jay is better than either Barnes or Wood at winning the first ball and knocking it down or flicking it on for a runner (something we lost when Vokes went and replaced with Crouch, who appears to be departing).

2. Jay is presumably seen by Dyche as offering a better, more refined link up game than any of Barnes, Wood or Vydra - better touch, better range of passing, greater eye for a pass. There were plenty of games last season (particularly at home) where our biggest issue was a lack of craft in the final third to unlock a stubborn defence. Clearly there are those who think Vydra could be that man, but without getting into that debate, it appears that Dyche regarded Jay as the better option for that role last summer, and still does now.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:11 pm

Matej Vydra previous 3 seasons prior to joining BFC.

2015/16 - 36 games, 9 goals
2016/17 - 36 games, 5 goals
2017/18 - 44 games, 22 goals

Don't see too much evidence here as to why some posters think Vydra is definitively better than Rodriguez.

I'd be inclined to trust Dyche on whether it would be a good idea to let Vydra go and whether he is up to playing PL football.
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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by COBBLE » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:19 pm

I can only assume that if SD has a clear preference for JayRod over Vydra it is because of the way we play. When we were up against it last season it was more often than not because we won the ball, cleared it and it came straight back. If we are going to play more or less the same way but more effectively, Jay can do a better job. If we were going 451 then Vydra.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:24 pm

I think most fans are undecided on Vydra as we haven't seen enough of him, but if Dyche won't play him he needs moving on.

We desperately need another Centre Forward capable and trusted enough to start games.
J Rod would keep the ball up top better than the current two as he has a better first touch.

I would like Che Adams as well to be greedy though.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by claret_in_exile » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:10 pm

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:12 pm

Vydra doesn't get game time because he doesn't suit the long ball tactics that SD prefers - even Crouch has got more game time per match than Vydra since arriving, because of that reason
For that reason alone he appears to be surplus to requirements
I still believe that this was a last minute, panic buy from the Chairman and recruitment team
SD would have had to go along with it, at that last moment, otherwise we would have brought in nobody
Last minute buys mean a premium on the price paid so, the fact that Vydra has had little exposure on the pitch, would more likely mean a loss on the orig fee paid if we want to get rid.
Add to that his wages, which again we will prob have to subsidise, in one form or another, if we want rid
I would have liked to have seen a lot more of him on the pitch but, given what happened last season, maybe this was another false dawn that we should now bring to an end

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by claret_in_exile » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:20 pm

jojomk1 wrote:Vydra doesn't get game time because he doesn't suit the long ball tactics that SD prefers - even Crouch has got more game time per match than Vydra since arriving, because of that reason
I thought THAT was very telling. Dyche chose Crouch over Vydra off the bench multiple times last season - and Crouch was terrible.

It's clear Dyche won't pick him unless he HAS to. At that point, isn't it better to get whatever we can for him and not have to pay his wages for the reminder of his contract?
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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:25 pm

But if we prefer the likes of Crouch to Vydra why are we looking at Rodriguez?

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Oshkoshclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:27 pm

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:32 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:But if we prefer the likes of Crouch to Vydra why are we looking at Rodriguez?
I guess we're looking at Rodriguez because he's available for a cut-price fee,if reports are to be believed we offered 18 million last summer,and WBA turned that down,so if the asking price has now more than halved,we'd be mad not to show an interest,clearly Vydra for whatever reason has fallen out of favour with the gaffer,in which case it's better for both parties if he moves in this window and gets regular games.

The other added advantage of signing Jay,is if we enquire about Che Adams,Birmingham will know we're not desperate for another striker,and they can't hold us to ransom.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:I'd be inclined to trust Dyche on whether it would be a good idea to let Vydra go and whether he is up to playing PL football.
I and many others wanted Ben Mee at centre back when he was left back. Sean Dyche didn't agree so kept him at left back. He then tried him at centre back - not done too badly so far.

He's doing a brilliant job, but Jesus, people can disagree with him you know.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:35 pm

tiger76 wrote:I guess we're looking at Rodriguez because he's available for a cut-price fee
Didn't we make a bid when the asking price was nearer £20 million?

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:36 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I and many others wanted Ben Mee at centre back when he was left back. Sean Dyche didn't agree so kept him at left back. He then tried him at centre back - not done too badly so far.

He's doing a brilliant job, but Jesus, people can disagree with him you know.
Whilst we had the best left back in the league sitting on the bench....

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:38 pm

Good old positive post there jrgbfc, you really hate things at the club don't you

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by boyyanno » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I thought Wood would be an asset for us. And I thought Taylor would be an asset for us.
It's extremely simple - people such as myself will have watched him in the Champ. I have family who live in Matlock and been to quite a few Derby games when he played for them. When you watch players you just either rate them or you don't. I rate him a lot.

You shouldn't be baffled. When people watch players they form an opinion of them as a player. That's all I've done.

Had you watched him as much as I have, you too would rate him, that I'm sure of.

FactualFrank you do clearly rate Vydra very highly. I think hes a decent player BUT in my experience he's at his best when he has a role that allows him a bit more freedom, which I don't think he will get here. The question then becomes for me, would changing our style to accommodate him be a good idea? For me sadly the answer is no. Only Defour has been the calibre of player you could build a team around at premier league level in my opinion. Vydra looked exceptional in the championship, but it's important to notice where he played in those sides and how they accommodated him.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:47 pm

boyyanno wrote:FactualFrank you do clearly rate Vydra very highly. I think hes a decent player BUT in my experience he's at his best when he has a role that allows him a bit more freedom, which I don't think he will get here. The question then becomes for me, would changing our style to accommodate him be a good idea? For me sadly the answer is no. Only Defour has been the calibre of player you could build a team around at premier league level in my opinion. Vydra looked exceptional in the championship, but it's important to notice where he played in those sides and how they accommodated him.
But we haven't changed our style since we signed him, so when we put the bid in we were playing direct football.
He's a poacher. It's not all about passing it through midfield, he appears out of nowhere and nicks goals.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I was also in the minority when I suggested we sign Chris Wood and Charlie Taylor. It's absolutely fine, I just hope he's given the time. It would be a mistake to sell him to Leeds.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by box_of_frogs » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:11 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:I'm a bit baffled why, every time there has been a thread on Vydra, there are posters who evidently regard him as a strong asset for us. I think he has been largely hopeless in his, admittedly limited, appearances and, perhaps more significantly, he has no track record at all of success in previous PL club spells (WBA and Watford).
There’s a reason there are no posters on here are professional football managers!

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:14 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:There’s a reason there are no posters on here are professional football managers!
Sean Dyche signed Vydra. So without realising it, people are knocking him but then knocking fans for suggesting we keep him.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by boyyanno » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But we haven't changed our style since we signed him, so when we put the bid in we were playing direct football.
He's a poacher. It's not all about passing it through midfield, he appears out of nowhere and nicks goals.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I was also in the minority when I suggested we sign Chris Wood and Charlie Taylor. It's absolutely fine, I just hope he's given the time. It would be a mistake to sell him to Leeds.
He isn't a poacher though...

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:30 pm

boyyanno wrote:He isn't a poacher though...
Why don't you just post, "I've never watched him".

Of course he's a poacher. Look at some of the goals he grabbed at Derby. I've seen eggs that are less poached.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by DustyBawls » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:32 pm

Is a poacher the same thing as a goal grabber? If so then he's a poacher. can go missing in games but then end up getting the vital goal.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:39 pm

DustyBawls wrote:Is a poacher the same thing as a goal grabber? If so then he's a poacher. can go missing in games but then end up getting the vital goal.
Yup.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by boyyanno » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:51 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Why don't you just post, "I've never watched him".

Of course he's a poacher. Look at some of the goals he grabbed at Derby. I've seen eggs that are less poached.
You've obviously never watched him, which is why it went over your head when I explained that he needs to be accommodated within a side to be successful. Ask Watford and Derby fans and they will tell you his best position is the free role behind a striker. That's not where a poacher plays.

For example: Vydra is far more similar to Ings (a number 10 type player), than a Poacher (like Austin).

Hope that helps.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I and many others wanted Ben Mee at centre back when he was left back. Sean Dyche didn't agree so kept him at left back. He then tried him at centre back - not done too badly so far.

He's doing a brilliant job, but Jesus, people can disagree with him you know.
Absolutely. I never said you couldn't have an opinion. That would be ridiculous...

SD also signed Jelle Vossen and Rouwen Hennings. He realised he had made a mistake/they weren't right and quickly (very quickly in Vossen's case) moved them on. I'm just saying that for whatever reason Dyche clearly doesnt think Vydra is the answer so there's no point bursting a blood vessel over it. Vydra's record isn't amazing and he's never done it in the Premier League. If moving him (and Wells) on means bringing in Rodriguez and Adam's and giving them a chance then I'm all for it.
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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by DCWat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:54 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Good old positive post there jrgbfc, you really hate things at the club don't you
In fairness, it was a pretty accurate statement

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:41 pm

The thing for me is- Rodriguez-proven at premier league level. Vydra- Proven at only championship level-despite playing in the prem before.

A club like ours can't afford to take too many gambles, Rodriguez makes sense and if we can get some money for Vydra which makes it pretty much a like for like swap im happy.

Unless of course Dyche has seen something, although you'd question such little game time if that was the case.

Ideally Vydra is being kept to compliment a few new signings that can offer us a different shape and style of play. If not its time to go!

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:42 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Good old positive post there jrgbfc, you really hate things at the club don't you
claretonthecoast1882, you are the biggest moaner on this board. You offer absolutely no counter arguments, no debate, no insight. 90% of your posts are complaining about people being negative, or just calling someone wrong.

Have a look in the mirror before you call people out on every thread.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:45 pm

CFS wrote:Jrod played wide left and wide right most the season with Gayle up top. Vydra just physically never going to cut it in this league so I would move him on.
Not saying I wouldn’t move Vydra on, for £10m especially I’d be perfectly happy for him to leave. Rodriguez just isn’t the answer for me though. Wrong profile.

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Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Post by mkmel » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:55 pm

A few months back I was talking to a Derby fan who really rated Vydra and was surprised we hadn't been playing him more often

According to this Derby fan yes Vydra scored a lot of goals for them but was best used as a number 10

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