Re: Leeds move for Vydra
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:56 pm
What a load of bed-wetting gobbledygook UTCLong Time Lurker wrote:If there is any truth to the rumour then I'm with Frank on this one. Vydra is a better player than Jay and the financials don't make sense.
A lot of people are jumping on the bargain £5m band wagon, but according to the rumour mill that isn't the price he is going for. The actual price is £10m (£5m now and another £5m in twelve months time ) which is a huge difference.
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Okay, so we sell Vydra for £6m, making a loss on our purchase. Then we add another £4m from the transfer kitty to what we might receive for Vydra and spend £10m on Jay. Vydra drops down into the Championship, receives game time and good service at Leeds, and his value goes up to the £15m mark for a good Championship striker.
I also agree with Frank that Vydra could be exactly what Leeds need to secure promotion. They are struggling to sign Roofe up to a new contract to prevent him leaving on a free transfer. Chasing Vydra could move that along or it could allow them to ship out Roofe in this window while his stock is higher than it should be.
Jay comes in and sits on our bench as a third option, fourth if we manage to beat other clubs to the signing of Che, and we watch that £10m evaporate over his contract until he is worth nothing in respect to his resale value. He wasn't even that good last season against Championship opposition. Take away the eight soft goal penalties and all you have is hard work and an average goal threat in a less competitive league.
I could get behind spending £6m on Jay as a replacement for Crouch, to correct the baffling sale of Vokes, but as a £10m replacement and the loss of Vydra for a low amount ? No
Oh, but Che will be the replacement for Vydra.
Possibly, but only if we manage to sign him when other clubs are supposedly interested. Even if we match the transfer fee that Birmingham have in mind we will probably lose out to another club who could tempt him with higher wages.
Keeping our wages within a tight band helps solidarity, but it means any other team can offer outside that band to beat us to the punch and a lot of clubs are more than capable of doing that.
Do we break our wage structure and push everything forward to stay in line with a new high wage earner or do we shrug our shoulders and miss out ?
I would place Che in the £20m+ category given all of the supposed competition for his signature. Thanks to Birminghams "shoot on sight" protocol his form was outstanding last season, but so was Jukes. Prior to that the pair of them were very ordinary.
Would we pay £10M+ to bring back Juke on the basis of last season?
Don't get me wrong, I really like the look of Che, but £20m would be a very hefty price to pay for him. He might go for less, but if we experience any serious competition for his signature I doubt it. An awful lot will depend on how firm the supposed interest from other clubs actually is in him and how much they have to spend.
£20m is what I would expect us to pay for a striker with proven top level credentials. It isn't the price I would be rushing to pay for a player who is untested in the PL on the back of one amazing season. I suppose it is the price range we have condemned ourselves to by limiting all our transfer options to the domestic market once again. I can see the potential for an increase in value, but it is a big price tag and a big risk.
The bigger risk is that we sell Vydra, lose out on Che, and we start next season with a strike force of Barnes, Wood, Jay and Crouch.
Even if we sell Vydra and bring in Che and Jay we could end up spending £24m of our very limited funds to improve our bench. ( 20 + 10 ) - 6 = 24
Did the recruitment department forget that we could really use another quality midfielder or are we looking to cover that base with Harrison Reed.
Vydra is better and younger than Jay. Selling him so we can pay an extra £4m for a lesser player with no future resale value is lunacy. The only real argument I can see in support of it is that Jay would fulfil the support function that Juke Provided for Che last season. If we keep Vydra and add Che we won't be able to replicate that dynamic as easily.
Our window could include
Paying way over the odds for Che, because we tried to low ball Birmingham at Christmas and haven't scouted any viable alternatives in the last six months.
Swapping Vydra for Jay.
Bolstering our midfield with a pricey domestic addition who will offer more of the same after he has adjusted to the PL.
Replacing the 17 to 18 players who left our development set up with a single player that we scouted from the ground of our U23 squad. Senior could go on to establish himself as a first team player, and I really hope he does, but it doesn't say a lot in terms of "no stone left uncovered" scouting.
That doesn't strike me as a great window.