Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

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Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Spijed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:30 pm

If reports are to be believed Leicester city want £90 million for Maguire.

If that's the case then surely we could ask more for Tarkowski than the £30 million that he seems to be currently valued at, if and when he gets sold.

As for Magure's value, it shows what an absolute bargain VVD is turning out to be at Liverpool for £75 million as he is a class above any of England's centre-halves.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby SalisburyClaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:33 pm

£90m for Maguire - the world has gone mad
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby jrgbfc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:34 pm

If anyone pays 90 million for Maguire the world has gone mad. Leicester can afford to ask for silly money because they've no need to sell. Only problem is if Maguire has his head turned and threatens to down tools.
But to answer your original question no, I can't see anyone paying more than 30 million tops for Tarkowski.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby fanzone » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:36 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:£90m for Maguire - the world has gone mad


One of the reasons the professional game is p1ssing me off
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby ClaretTony » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:48 pm

Who is it that's valued Tarky at £30m?

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby SGr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:52 pm

Harry Maguire isn’t worth £90m in this market, whether that be an inflated one or not. Even with the English premium, there are some much better centre halves on the market for the top clubs.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby jrgbfc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Who is it that's valued Tarky at £30m?


Think it's just people plucking a figure out of the air tbh. Or using the fee Keane went to Everton for, I personally think Tarks is nowhere near as good as Keane, but that's just my humble opinion.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby boatshed bill » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:11 pm

The value of any player nowadays is dictated not by ability, but by who wants to buy him. Bonkers, innit?
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby MDWat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:24 pm

If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £50m for Tarky as a minimum.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:29 pm

I think he's completely overrated. Like myself and a poster agreed on the other day, he's brilliant when attacking set-pieces, but dodgy af when defending. Not convinced at all. It's almost like his performance for England last summer is the only reason for that fee.

Watch Gomez at Liverpool when he gets more games. He'll be an England starter soon enough. A brilliant defender.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby claretdj » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:29 pm

If they even thinking of spending that much on big head, then I would switch n buy de Ligt instead, miles better defender, quicker n only 19..

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby MACCA » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:30 pm

MDWat wrote:If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £50m for Tarky as a minimum.



I'm not sure how true it is, but I heard his release fee is 50m with his new deal that he signed.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:32 pm

I've seen milk turn quicker than Maguire.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:37 pm

Brentford are asking 30 million for one of their wingers if the gossip columns are correct so Tarks with England caps and a few years in the PL must be worth 50 in the crapshoot nonsense that is football

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby BurnleyFC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:48 pm

MDWat wrote:If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £50m for Tarky as a minimum.


If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £100m for Tarkowski.

The guy’s an oaf.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby ClaretTony » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:49 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Think it's just people plucking a figure out of the air tbh. Or using the fee Keane went to Everton for, I personally think Tarks is nowhere near as good as Keane, but that's just my humble opinion.


I'd put Keane way above him but that Keane deal was two years ago and prices have gone up a lot since then.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby theroyaldyche » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:50 pm

Maguire hahahahha
Ben Mees better than maguire
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Woodleyclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:51 pm

Tarks is a far better cb than Keane.We must ask minimum£40m.Stones was sold for £50 and hes crap
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:51 pm

Gibson is ready and waiting if/when he does leave. Someone I rate and will fit in with ease, just as Keane did and just as T did.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby randomclaret2 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Im asking for trouble here but anyway....Mee and Gison are both left footed.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby boatshed bill » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:02 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Im asking for trouble here but anyway....Mee and Gison are both left footed.


I'm convinced we only signed Gibson because Mee had been stalling on a deal.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Steve1956 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:07 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £100m for Tarkowski.

The guy’s an oaf.

Brilliant! And also true. :D
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby jrgbfc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:08 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Im asking for trouble here but anyway....Mee and Gison are both left footed.


And both on the small side for centre backs.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Im asking for trouble here but anyway....Mee and Gison are both left footed.


Sell him then :lol:

Personally, I think it's a myth. If you're a good defender you can use both feet.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby MDWat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:16 pm

Tarkowski is better than Keane was when he left and the market is even more ridiculous now than it was then.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Rick_Muller » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:24 pm

MDWat wrote:If Maguire goes for £90m, then we should be asking for £150m for Tarky as a minimum.

Fixed it for you ;)
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby KRBFC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:27 pm

I agree with others, Tarkowski is a better defender than Keane. Does anyone remember how long Keane had left on his deal with us when he left? in the current market, £40M sounds fair for Tark.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby jrgbfc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:29 pm

I know football is all about opinions but I genuinely can't see how anyone rates Tarkowski ahead of Keane.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby boatshed bill » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:29 pm

i don't know how much we could get for Tarkowski, but whatever we could get would hardly buy his replacement.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:i don't know how much we could get for Tarkowski, but whatever we could get would hardly buy his replacement.


We already have our replacement, in Gibson. We don't need a replacement for Tarks, we need a replacement for Gibson.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby KRBFC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:We already have our replacement, in Gibson. We don't need a replacement for Tarks, we need a replacement for Gibson.

Two small left footed centre halves? not sure that would work tbh, I'm pretty sure Dyche used Long ahead of Gibson for that reason last season although I can't remember the exact game.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby DustyBawls » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:33 pm

It might be you frank who mentioned the conveyor belt and that's what Gibson is currently on.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby 4:20 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:40 pm

If Tarks stays I can see him having another purple patch in the run up to Christmas, constantly being called upon to defend and getting a lot of column inches written about him again. Roll on the 50m+ pricetag. But he's got to keep his head though, sometimes his temperament is his own worst enemy.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:Two small left footed centre halves? not sure that would work tbh, I'm pretty sure Dyche used Long ahead of Gibson for that reason last season although I can't remember the exact game.


Well, he's 6ft 1. If you think that's small we'll agree to disagree.

It appears I rate people a lot of other people don't. :D

Not convinced with the left/right foot and central defenders. Sure, it could possibly come into account if you're splitting hairs, but a good defender can at least pass with their 'weaker' foot.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby boatshed bill » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:We already have our replacement, in Gibson. We don't need a replacement for Tarks, we need a replacement for Gibson.


Either way, Frank, if we have £40million to spend, that money would likely only buy a player nearly as good as Tarkowski, not an improvement on him.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Either way, Frank, if we have £40million to spend, that money would likely only buy a player nearly as good as Tarkowski, not an improvement on him.


Something tells me our window is nearer £20 million than £40 million, but Gibson could very well be as good as Tarkowski. This is groundhog day as rewind and people were saying Tarkowski wasn't as good as Keane.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Devils_Advocate » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:58 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I know football is all about opinions but I genuinely can't see how anyone rates Tarkowski ahead of Keane.

Cos Tarks is still a Burnley player and Keane isnt and on here that trumps most things
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby KRBFC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Well, he's 6ft 1. If you think that's small we'll agree to disagree.

It appears I rate people a lot of other people don't. :D

Not convinced with the left/right foot and central defenders. Sure, it could possibly come into account if you're splitting hairs, but a good defender can at least pass with their 'weaker' foot.

I rate Gibson, was delighted with the signing, he appears smaller than 6ft 1. It's weird I wouldn't even consider the strong foot argument with two right footers, it's just something about two left footers I don't think would work.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby boatshed bill » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:I rate Gibson, was delighted with the signing, he appears smaller than 6ft 1. It's weird I wouldn't even consider the strong foot argument with two right footers, it's just something about two left footers I don't think would work.


Difficult for a "wrong-footed" defender to show a player outside, KR.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Woodleyclaret » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:47 pm

We are well covered with cbs Mee Tarks Long Gibson and Dunne.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby theroyaldyche » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:12 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:We are well covered with cbs Mee Tarks Long Gibson and Dunne.


Dunne wont ever play for the 1st team from now until the end of his career

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby dsr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:18 pm

I'm not convinced with the idea that Ben Mee can only play on the left side because of his silky skills with his left foot. I reckon he tackle anyone, anywhere, his positioning is fine, and he doesn't have Stones-like overconfidence so he knows how to play the ball to safety with either foot.

As for Gibson, I wouldn't know. But the idea of paying £15m for a player so precious that he can't move 15 yards to the right? Doesn't sound like Dyche to me. I think he'll be OK.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby rob63 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:24 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Well, he's 6ft 1. If you think that's small we'll agree to disagree.

It appears I rate people a lot of other people don't. :D

Not convinced with the left/right foot and central defenders. Sure, it could possibly come into account if you're splitting hairs, but a good defender can at least pass with their 'weaker' foot.


& he can tackle with both feet...... there's a difference between favouring your left foot & being left-footed

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby aggi » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:13 am

dsr wrote:I'm not convinced with the idea that Ben Mee can only play on the left side because of his silky skills with his left foot. I reckon he tackle anyone, anywhere, his positioning is fine, and he doesn't have Stones-like overconfidence so he knows how to play the ball to safety with either foot.

As for Gibson, I wouldn't know. But the idea of paying £15m for a player so precious that he can't move 15 yards to the right? Doesn't sound like Dyche to me. I think he'll be OK.


It's not just a matter of tackling and playing the ball with the wrong foot. It's also adjusting positioning from what you've been used to for the past ten years. Look at how Tarkowski struggles when he plays on the left.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:15 am

none of them are fit to lace John Pender's boots

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby AndyClaret » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:00 am

Back to the original question, "will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value ?"

Most certainly if Maguire goes for big, big, money, and Leicester come sniffing, then of course we would be saying, "well you've just sold yours for £80M, and you think ours is good enough to replace him, so it's going to cost you at least £50M"
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby Foshiznik » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:55 am

I know it might be difficult for the club and many on here to comprehend, but if we got £40m for Tarks, there are plenty of centre backs who would be willing to sign and be to the required standard to replace him from the continent and leave us with at least £20m in change.
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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby gandhisflipflop » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:13 pm

Foshiznik wrote:I know it might be difficult for the club and many on here to comprehend, but if we got £40m for Tarks, there are plenty of centre backs who would be willing to sign and be to the required standard to replace him from the continent and leave us with at least £20m in change.



That maybe so but we never seem to look to the continent. This is a local club for local people.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby JTClaret » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:03 pm

I genuinely think Maguire is just average
Tarkowski has also had a pretty average season - Plus I wouldn't put much between him and Keane.

However £90m for Maguire is outrageous. So who knows what Tarks is work... but as for the 'number plucked out of thin air', I think £30m is what a lot of people would accept for him.

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Re: Will Maguire push up Tarkowski's value?

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:17 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Difficult for a "wrong-footed" defender to show a player outside, KR.


Most defenders can stick either foot in, because that's all it is tbh.
It's the passing with both feet capably that some seem to struggle with.

If a defender can't show a player outside because they're so one footed then they shouldn't be at such a high level.


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