New handball rule. Could it be bad news for Burnley?

[RingoMcCartney]

As of the 1st June, new rules have been brought in.

Crucially, the big change is that a handball does not have to be seen as deliberate and a handball will be awarded if the arm is moved to make the body bigger or is seen as an ‘unnatural position.


Deliberate handball remains an offenceThe following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:

The ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm.

A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity

.The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger.

The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm).

Now, we can successfully, soak a lot of pressure up , just look at the possession figures of certain games we've actually won. However, with the new rules coming in from August I'm worried that attack minded teams, will benefit, disproportionately, from situations arising that were previously seen as "No intention" or "accidental" so went unpunished with no penalty awarded.

I'm concerned that when, previously, we've had a brilliant seige mentality, and it's been like the Alamo. We will be punished by unscrupulous forwards , who will engineer a handball to secure a penalty.

[Braindead]

It is always going to benefit those teams that consistently get the ball into the opposition penalty area.

In other words Not Burnley.

[SalisburyClaret]

I’d agree, I think the new rules will affect us far more than most as we spend long periods defending and blocking so the chance of one of these ridiculous new handballs being given will be much higher.

The way to avoid this is to keep the ball more or attack more - that’s not really our style so I think we will suffer

[Tricky Trevor]

Just get your hands tucked away. Trippier has been doing it a long time. It’s just a new technique for them to brain train themselves to do. FBs have got away with blocking crosses for far too long and they know exactly what they are doing.
I don’t remember that many incidents that caused us palpitations last year. Mee’s against Cardiff was the most worrying and that was a different situation. Having headed(nosed) it onto his own arm.

[Dyched]

Dyche was asked during the CL Final on 5 Live about this. He said the defence has worked on body shape for blocking for a very long time now.

[Foulthrow]

To be fair do you not think that all teams will be looking at this closely for next season?

I also think that these new rules will benefit Burnley and harm teams - like Palace - who rely heavily on penalties for their goals. Wasn't it something like 25% of their goals penalties?

With VAR you are going to see ALL teams getting a lot more penalties and this should even up the score on that front. Palace stayed up last year because they got pens. That advantage will disappear next season.

Furthermore, we get the ball in the box a lot from deep - probably more chance of the arm being in an unnatural position and of defenders fouling to limit our aerial threat.

[Lancasterclaret]

Are we sure yet that the FIFA interpretation used in the European Cups and the Womens World Cup will be enforced as rigorously in the Prem though?

[ClaretTony]

I also think that these new rules will benefit Burnley and harm teams - like Palace - who rely heavily on penalties for their goals. Wasn't it something like 25% of their goals penalties?

You are spot on with Palace, 10 pens scored and they scored a total of 41 goals.


I don't have a list of penalties that weren't scored (missed or saved) but the final totals of goals scored from penalties in the Premier League by club were:

10: Crystal Palace
9: Manchester United
7: Bournemouth, Liverpool
5: Brighton, Chelsea, Leicester, West Ham
4: Arsenal, Southampton, Tottenham, Wolves
3: Cardiff, Manchester City
2: Burnley, Everton. Fulham
1: Huddersfield, Newcastle, Watford

[RingoMcCartney]

To be fair do you not think that all teams will be looking at this closely for next season?

I also think that these new rules will benefit Burnley and harm teams - like Palace - who rely heavily on penalties for their goals. Wasn't it something like 25% of their goals penalties?

With VAR you are going to see ALL teams getting a lot more penalties and this should even up the score on that front. Palace stayed up last year because they got pens. That advantage will disappear next season.

Furthermore, we get the ball in the box a lot from deep - probably more chance of the arm being in an unnatural position and of defenders fouling to limit our aerial threat.

You're right, all teams will be looking at it and once players have adjusted to it following a bedding in period there may be a level playing field, for want of a better phrase.

You could look at Palace and say, if they got a lot of penalties under the old rules, in the new environment, i suppose, they could be awarded even more!

I like your positivity though. Fair play.

[dsr]

To be fair do you not think that all teams will be looking at this closely for next season?

I also think that these new rules will benefit Burnley and harm teams - like Palace - who rely heavily on penalties for their goals. Wasn't it something like 25% of their goals penalties?

With VAR you are going to see ALL teams getting a lot more penalties and this should even up the score on that front. Palace stayed up last year because they got pens. That advantage will disappear next season.

Furthermore, we get the ball in the box a lot from deep - probably more chance of the arm being in an unnatural position and of defenders fouling to limit our aerial threat.

It won't help as much as it might. VAR will (unless the officials change their attitude) give even more penalties to teams who dive, because the slightest of contact is routinely given as a foul to players who dive; but that same contact or worse will not be given (or even looked at) for a player who doesn't dive.

[Foulthrow]

You are spot on with Palace, 10 pens scored and they scored a total of 41 goals.


I don't have a list of penalties that weren't scored (missed or saved) but the final totals of goals scored from penalties in the Premier League by club were:

10: Crystal Palace
9: Manchester United
7: Bournemouth, Liverpool
5: Brighton, Chelsea, Leicester, West Ham
4: Arsenal, Southampton, Tottenham, Wolves
3: Cardiff, Manchester City
2: Burnley, Everton. Fulham
1: Huddersfield, Newcastle, Watford

Really interesting stat that. People who claim it's our style of play that limits pens yet City only got one more. But the amount that Palace get is ridiculous.

[Vegas Claret]

out of all the things I'm concerned about this isn't one of them. We are going to sign 3 quality players this summer and get into the top 4 and comfortably finish about Man Utd and Chelsea

[Foulthrow]

It won't help as much as it might. VAR will (unless the officials change their attitude) give even more penalties to teams who dive, because the slightest of contact is routinely given as a foul to players who dive; but that same contact or worse will not be given (or even looked at) for a player who doesn't dive.

I agree but I also think we will go down (and already do) when we are fouled in the box. We never got these fouls though and I suspect (hope!) that we will with VAR! (Long at Arsenal being a case in point).

[ClaretTony]

Just looked at the two previous seasons in the Premier League for the scored penalties

2016/17

7: Bournemouth, Liverpool, Manchester City
6: Burnley, Tottenham
5: Sunderland
4: Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Leicester, Stoke
3: Everton, Hull, Manchester United, Southampton, Swansea, West Ham
2: Chelsea, Middlesbrough, Watford
1: West Brom

2017/18:

8: Crystal Palace
6: Manchester City
5: Brighton, Everton, Leicester
4: Arsenal
3: Bournemouth, Chelsea, Southampton, Watford
2: Huddersfield, Liverpool, Tottenham, West Ham
1: Manchester United, Swansea, West Brom
0: Burnley

[Tricky Trevor]

[quote="Foulthrow] But the amount that Palace get is ridiculous.[/quote]
It helps having Zaha, who runs like Bambi on ice, and Townsend dribbling in the area.

[Foulthrow]

Just looked at the two previous seasons in the Premier League for the scored penalties

2016/17

7: Bournemouth, Liverpool, Manchester City
6: Burnley, Tottenham
5: Sunderland
4: Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Leicester, Stoke
3: Everton, Hull, Manchester United, Southampton, Swansea, West Ham
2: Chelsea, Middlesbrough, Watford
1: West Brom

2017/18:

8: Crystal Palace
6: Manchester City
5: Brighton, Everton, Leicester
4: Arsenal
3: Bournemouth, Chelsea, Southampton, Watford
2: Huddersfield, Liverpool, Tottenham, West Ham
1: Manchester United, Swansea, West Brom
0: Burnley

Those stats blow a lot of my conspiracy theories out of the water. They probably also show that VAR is being brought in to solve a problem that doesn't exist!!!

[Foulthrow]

[quote="Foulthrow] But the amount that Palace get is ridiculous.

It helps having Zaha, who runs like Bambi on ice, and Townsend dribbling in the area.[/quote][/quote]

But City have even more players like this and - at a guess - spend a lot more time in the box, yet didn't get them last year.

[ClaretTony]

Those stats blow a lot of my conspiracy theories out of the water. They probably also show that VAR is being brought in to solve a problem that doesn't exist!!!

Palace have got a hell of a lot in the last two seasons and it is no surprise to see Bournemouth up there given their ability to go down. Dyche is still talking about the one recently in the 3-1 win, was it Josh King? Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't have the missed numbers but I seem to remember Palace missing quite a few in 2017/18.

[ClaretTony]

Found these stats for penalties missed

2016/17

2: Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Manchester City
1: Everton, Leicester, Stoke, Tottenham

2017/18

2: Everton
1: Brighton, Crystal Palace, Leicester, Liverpool, Manchester United, Stoke, Watford, West Ham

2018/19

2: Manchester United
1: Bournemouth, Brighton, Cardiff, Crystal Palace, Everton, Manchester City, Newcastle, Southampton

[Quickenthetempo]

Palace have players that take you on at pace.

Whereas City try and pass it round you.

[bfcmik]

Palace have players that take you on at pace.

Whereas City try and pass it round you.

City usually pass it round you into the net!

[Colburn_Claret]

I think it benefits us.
As long as the rule had a grey area it will always be used to the advantage of the bigger teams. Now it is black and white, or should be, then Burnley are likely to get more penalties.
We dont get the benefit that often when in our own area, so although we might concede a couple more, hopefully we will be in credit come the end of the season.

[Carport]

The new handball rule may lead to more penalties but VAR is unlikely to

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[GodIsADeeJay81]

It should be bad news for Koscielny and Arsenal next time they play us, but I suppose the ref will say it wasn't deliberate next time he knocks one into our goal...