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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby No Ney Never » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:42 am

Tarks is probably about 30m quid worth of defender currently, should he get back in and play for England as well as playing well for us this season, his value is likely to rise toward the 50m mark. A good year will see him valued in the same bracket as Keane.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Holtyclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:38 am

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Dyche wants two players for each position. Mee and Gibson at left cb and tarks and long at right cb. Gibson has had to be patient, as has long due to the form and fitness of our main two.

Gibson was only a suspension or injury away from a run in the side(as was vydra possibly).

No real reason that two 2 left footed cb’s can’t play together either.

When Burnley were relegated to third division I’m the early 80’s my Dad was moved from lb to cb (bit like Dawson rb and cb) wracking my brains to think who he was paired with (big vince?dobbo?), maybe you could help CT? Worked out ok.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Giftonsnoidea » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:40 am

I wouldn’t be selling for less than 50m so hope they do one. Definitely worth 30-40m at the current rates, can’t be far behind maguire in ability

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Noblelight » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:04 pm

Who is your dad Holty?
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Lord Beamish » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:26 pm

Noblelight wrote:Who is your dad Holty?

I’d guess it was David Holt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H ... _born_1952)
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby elwaclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:36 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Dyche wants two players for each position. Mee and Gibson at left cb and tarks and long at right cb. Gibson has had to be patient, as has long due to the form and fitness of our main two.

Gibson was only a suspension or injury away from a run in the side(as was vydra possibly).

No real reason that two 2 left footed cb’s can’t play together either.

When Burnley were relegated to third division I’m the early 80’s my Dad was moved from lb to cb (bit like Dawson rb and cb) wracking my brains to think who he was paired with (big vince?dobbo?), maybe you could help CT? Worked out ok.

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Yes but at the cost of his overlapping. Did well at CH but he was a top full back.
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Royboyclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:40 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Dyche wants two players for each position. Mee and Gibson at left cb and tarks and long at right cb. Gibson has had to be patient, as has long due to the form and fitness of our main two.

Gibson was only a suspension or injury away from a run in the side(as was vydra possibly).

No real reason that two 2 left footed cb’s can’t play together either.

When Burnley were relegated to third division I’m the early 80’s my Dad was moved from lb to cb (bit like Dawson rb and cb) wracking my brains to think who he was paired with (big vince?dobbo?), maybe you could help CT? Worked out ok.

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Brian Miller moved your Dad to centre-back for the second half of the '81/'82 season when we were Champions of Division Three. It worked really well but David had three partners there until the end of the season, Micky Phelan, big Vince and even Paul Dixon for 4 or 5 games.

At the start of the following season '82/'83 your Dad continued there for the first dozen or so games and was partnered in each one by Micky Phelan. Of course we ended that season relegated back into Division Three. Did your Dad retire in '83?
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby mdd2 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:43 pm

Wasn’t Mike Phelan played as a CH at that time?
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby IanMcL » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:20 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:I wouldn’t be selling for less than 50m so hope they do one. Definitely worth 30-40m at the current rates, can’t be far behind maguire in ability

Yes worth whatever Manchester pays for Maguire, less 10mill.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Rick_Muller » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:29 pm

Apparently Man Utd are offering £70M & Phil Jones for Maguire, Leicester are holding out for the £70M...




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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Holtyclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:30 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Brian Miller moved your Dad to centre-back for the second half of the '81/'82 season when we were Champions of Division Three. It worked really well but David had three partners there until the end of the season, Micky Phelan, big Vince and even Paul Dixon for 4 or 5 games.

At the start of the following season '82/'83 your Dad continued there for the first dozen or so games and was partnered in each one by Micky Phelan. Of course we ended that season relegated back into Division Three. Did your Dad retire in '83?


He did pal, mid way through the season, his business had taken over his life (and he was struggling to keep his fitness 100% to keep up with the youngsters!).

I had Micky phelan at the back of my mind. Shows what a versatile player he was!

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:21 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Tarks is probably about 30m quid worth of defender currently, should he get back in and play for England as well as playing well for us this season, his value is likely to rise toward the 50m mark. A good year will see him valued in the same bracket as Keane.


Wan-Bisakka, 21 years old, less than 40 professional games, no England cap - 60 million
I would hope the least we would get for Tarks will be 50 million (he's not worth it but we should try and get that given what others are going to go for)

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby jrgbfc » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Wan-Bisakka, 21 years old, less than 40 professional games, no England cap - 60 million
I would hope the least we would get for Tarks will be 50 million (he's not worth it but we should try and get that given what others are going to go for)


Wan-Bissakka is only a young lad though and is already a great player with still time to improve. Tarks is a bang average centre half who is unlikely to improve much now.
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Spijed » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Wan-Bisakka, 21 years old, less than 40 professional games, no England cap - 60 million
I would hope the least we would get for Tarks will be 50 million (he's not worth it but we should try and get that given what others are going to go for)


If the valuations regarding Maguire and Tarkowski are reasonably accurate that would make Maguire ay least twice as good, which simply isn't the case. He may be better going forward but he certainly isn't better at defending.
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby dermotdermot » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:43 pm

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Holtyclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:11 pm

Noblelight wrote:Who is your dad Holty?


Sorry mate, just seen.
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Rileybobs » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Wan-Bisakka, 21 years old, less than 40 professional games, no England cap - 60 million
I would hope the least we would get for Tarks will be 50 million (he's not worth it but we should try and get that given what others are going to go for)


Not how it works unfortunately. Sometimes players are just better than others despite having played less games and not having a full international cap.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:00 am

Rileybobs wrote:Not how it works unfortunately. Sometimes players are just better than others despite having played less games and not having a full international cap.


I know, I was being sarcastic and I also said he wasn't worth it - can still ask for it though :D

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby CharlieinNewMexico » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:44 am

elwaclaret wrote:Yes but at the cost of his overlapping. Did well at CH but he was a top full back.


Think he was replaced at lb by the 18 year old Bacup Bulldog Andy Wharton, who himself loved an overlap
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby jojomk1 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:53 am

Sun reporting Newcastle and West Brom after Conor Coady for around £7m

Would gladly take him in part exchange and still only 26

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby MACCA » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:58 am

jojomk1 wrote:Sun reporting Newcastle and West Brom after Conor Coady for around £7m

Would gladly take him in part exchange and still only 26


As mentioned previously, it would be better to try and get a player in the deal, then the fee we need to pay Brentford would reduce I think.

If Coady is available, it might be worth enquiring as he's a good defender, captain, northern lad and is a defender who defends ( sounds obvious, but not seen him take silly risks or try to be something he isnt )

Could be a good option and no reason we can't compete for his signature.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Cheshireclaret » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:59 am

jojomk1 wrote:Sun reporting Newcastle and West Brom after Conor Coady for around £7m

Would gladly take him in part exchange and still only 26


That is a surprise - I’m pretty sure he played every minute of every premier league game for Wolves last season.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby MACCA » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:04 am

Cheshireclaret wrote:That is a surprise - I’m pretty sure he played every minute of every premier league game for Wolves last season.


I think they're trying for the next level now, after all the finished 7th last season, and made a major semi final.
Think they had plans to be a top 4 a challenging side in 5 seasons.

An unfashionable scouse CB probably wont fit into the glitz and glamour of moving forward and trying to build the clubs profile.

How successful it will be time will tell

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby jojomk1 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:20 am

Thought he was excellent for them last season and many "football" people were saying he had a chance of getting in England squad

£7m seems way too cheap for me

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 am

Can't see Wolves thinking he is the first to be improved on. Isn't he the club captain and played every minute of the season ?

For a club that has serious backing can't see them even entertaining 7m

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Dyched » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:44 am

jojomk1 wrote:Sun reporting Newcastle and West Brom after Conor Coady for around £7m

Would gladly take him in part exchange and still only 26


Me too. Thought he looked excellent last year. Him and Mee or Lascelles would make a damn strong pairing.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby MACCA » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:03 am

jojomk1 wrote:Thought he was excellent for them last season and many "football" people were saying he had a chance of getting in England squad

£7m seems way too cheap for me



I agree, so if its anywhere near that we should be enquiring.

Is he a football playing CB though? That's what they'll be wanting, they want to evolve. An old school defender isnt usually what these fancy foreign coaches like when playing the beautiful game.

My opinion is I'd rather take Coady at 10m than Dawson at 10m. I know the premier league experience isn't the same, but the quality, leadership and defensive skills are IMO. And at a very good age too. Many years left in Coady and still time to develop and reach his peak.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby randomclaret2 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:17 am

Coady is Wolves Captain...played every minute of every Premier League game in a side that finished 7th...and he's being linked with West Brom ??

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Jel » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:30 am

It's all very well talking about buying younger players and thinking that they can grow into the team. Dawson for example was 25 and you'd think that is a good age, we could make money if we sell him on.
He's 27 in January and so far has made 5 appearances!

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby elwaclaret » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:50 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Think he was replaced at lb by the 18 year old Bacup Bulldog Andy Wharton, who himself loved an overlap


Liked Andy Wharton, looked up to him (former pupil of same school)... but preferred Holty he was more cultured and Newton-Esque for me
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby COBBLE » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:53 am

In all the discussions about capability, am I dreaming when I think a year with SD would improve most central defender's performance and being in our defensive structure would add some more?

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby gandhisflipflop » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:15 pm

If that's true about coady I would snap wolves' hand off for him. Perhaps a cash plus player deal would suit both parties. 30m plus coady and they have a deal.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby SGr » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:37 pm

Coady is a decent CB in a 3 ATB formation, but even as captain, he isn’t on the same level as Boly. And I think he’d be exposed in a 2.

Wolves are a ruthless club remember. Barry Douglas was a key player in their promotion campaign, but they clearly didn’t think he was capable of playing that well at a higher level, so out the door he went. Whether you agree with it or not, the idea that Wolves would be willing to simply offload Coady for a better centre half is not far-fetched.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby aggi » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:08 pm

MACCA wrote:As mentioned previously, it would be better to try and get a player in the deal, then the fee we need to pay Brentford would reduce I think.

If Coady is available, it might be worth enquiring as he's a good defender, captain, northern lad and is a defender who defends ( sounds obvious, but not seen him take silly risks or try to be something he isnt )

Could be a good option and no reason we can't compete for his signature.


Generally not, they looked at the cash or the cash equivalent (which is what a player in part exchange would be). The arguments obviously come when trying to value that part-ex player ...

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby KRBFC » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:26 pm

SGr wrote:Coady is a decent CB in a 3 ATB formation, but even as captain, he isn’t on the same level as Boly. And I think he’d be exposed in a 2.

Wolves are a ruthless club remember. Barry Douglas was a key player in their promotion campaign, but they clearly didn’t think he was capable of playing that well at a higher level, so out the door he went. Whether you agree with it or not, the idea that Wolves would be willing to simply offload Coady for a better centre half is not far-fetched.

Coady has spent the large majority of his career as a midfielder i think?

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby MACCA » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 pm

aggi wrote:Generally not, they looked at the cash or the cash equivalent (which is what a player in part exchange would be). The arguments obviously come when trying to value that part-ex player ...


Yes I know, theres been a few teams shaft other teams when players are in the exchange

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby ayrshireclaret83 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:22 pm

Now 4/5 to sign for Leicester

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby dpinsussex » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:06 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Wan-Bissakka is only a young lad though and is already a great player with still time to improve. Tarks is a bang average centre half who is unlikely to improve much now.

Tarks is much better at clearing the ball away from his goal line in injury time :)

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:14 pm

Tarks is still under-rated. As he has been by many on here since he first signed. He will improve further and hopefully convince more doubters. I just hope he does it here rather than elsewhere.
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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:22 pm

What length contract do we think Coady should get? Older than Tarkowski but can play a few more positions by sound of it.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 pm

Don’t think Coady would come here, unless Sean could work his magic.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Reecey1987 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:31 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:What length contract do we think Coady should get? Older than Tarkowski but can play a few more positions by sound of it.

We wont sign coady

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Hedontplayforyou » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:46 pm

First of all where has the Coadt stuff come from?

And secondly he wouldn’t fair well in a back two.

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Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Postby Raggus » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:49 pm

As has been stated above, coady is/was a centre mid when he was coming thru at Liverpool and all his loans he played there, the shift was last year to play in the middle I think of 2 proper defenders to act as a sweeper and abit of a ball player.

Not sure how he would get on in a 2, not sure if we are linked. All ifs and buts at the moment.


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