Re: C4 Conservative leader debate
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:40 pm
Doesn’t sound like something honest Boris would do.AndyClaret wrote:It seems Boris has "lent" some votes to Hunt, no way did he gain 18 votes and Boris only 3 !
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Doesn’t sound like something honest Boris would do.AndyClaret wrote:It seems Boris has "lent" some votes to Hunt, no way did he gain 18 votes and Boris only 3 !
I doubt it. I expect there's quite a lot of people who voted for Javid, Gove and Hunt because they're not Boris, which credibly explains why Boris gained so few votes from Javid's elimination. And the rest looks like they were fairly evenly split between Hunt and Gove.AndyClaret wrote:It seems Boris has "lent" some votes to Hunt, no way did he gain 18 votes and Boris only 3 !
I was scoring minus six until the last question, partly, I think, because I had no idea what question 5 was about. I don't know who two of those people were. Who do they play for again?AndrewJB wrote:Take the test!
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I scored 130.
Sam Coates on sky says boris vote only went up by 3, when at least 4 Javid supporters publicly declared for Boris. Javid's vote was expected to split 50/50 between Boris and Gove.Imploding Turtle wrote:I doubt it. I expect there's quite a lot of people who voted for Javid, Gove and Hunt because they're not Boris, which credibly explains why Boris gained so few votes from Javid's elimination. And the rest looks like they were fairly evenly split between Hunt and Gove.
AndyClaret wrote:Sam Coates on sky says boris vote only went up by 3, when at least 4 Javid supporters publicly declared for Boris. Javid's vote was expected to split 50/50 between Boris and Gove.
CrosspoolClarets wrote:Poor old Jeremy Hunt has had to borrow some supporters from Boris, then one of his genuine backers (Mark Field) is tonight all over Twitter “escorting” a female Greenpeace protestor from Mansion House.
Yes the protestors were complete numpties but it seemed to be peaceful, so I suspect this one will be all over the press tomorrow.
dsr wrote:Why wouldn't someone be angry that his glitzy dinner was interrupted? If you were having some sort of dinner, at home or eating out, and the whole thing was ruined by some protester who was interrupting the whole thing, you'd want to put a stop to it.
How badly was she hurt?
On the off chance he didn't know who she was, her intentions, or if she was carrying a weapon he'd be a prick not to ensure he was out of the way from any potential danger to himself and escorting her out by the scruff of the neck isn't an issue unless you're using an agenda....Imploding Turtle wrote:
What kind of prick do you have to be to grab someone around the neck like this?
So angry that his glitzy dinner was being interrupted.
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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:On the off chance he didn't know who she was, her intentions, or if she was carrying a weapon he'd be a prick not to ensure he was out of the way from any potential danger to himself and escorting her out by the scruff of the neck isn't an issue unless you're using an agenda....
Oh wait.
He won't face a court for what he did though, so no need to worry about the defence for stopping an unknown potential assailant.Imploding Turtle wrote:
Good luck with that defence. "Your honour, the woman was walking past me but for all i know she could have had a weapon so i assaulted her purely in self defence"
Next home game mate, I'll throw you out exactly the same way and you can let me know if it hurts.dsr wrote:Why wouldn't someone be angry that his glitzy dinner was interrupted? If you were having some sort of dinner, at home or eating out, and the whole thing was ruined by some protester who was interrupting the whole thing, you'd want to put a stop to it.
How badly was she hurt?
He probably thought she was going to throw milkshake or acid at someone.Imploding Turtle wrote:
What kind of prick do you have to be to grab someone around the neck like this?
So angry that his glitzy dinner was being interrupted.
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I've just watched this and whilst he may appear to be heavy handed I personally wouldn't describe that as assault. If this is adjudged to actually be assault in the postmortem from the incident, then I fear for security guards and police all across the country who are significantly more heavy handed than he was there as I see on many "real life" TV shows.Imploding Turtle wrote:
Good luck with that defence. "Your honour, the woman was walking past me but for all i know she could have had a weapon so i assaulted her purely in self defence"
She wasn't doing nothing though was she...claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Poor from any male to do this to a woman who is doing nothing, would have been a lot better off just ignoring her instead of now looking a bully.
Rick_Muller wrote:I've just watched this and whilst he may appear to be heavy handed I personally wouldn't describe that as assault. If this is adjudged to actually be assault in the postmortem from the incident, then I fear for security guards and police all across the country who are significantly more heavy handed than he was there as I see on many "real life" TV shows.
The fact is that she should not have been there and had she not been there he would not have had to take action in the way he did, and further to that there is no way any of us can understand what he was thinking at the time - he may have genuinely considered to be threatened by her in some way whether that was because she may have had a weapon or some other reason - we just dont know.
I do think that the incident for a politician could be career limiting as it doesn't look good, and the trial by media will be damaging unless something else gets their interest in the mean time.
She wasn't doing nothing though was she...
She was somewhere that she wasn't meant to be - as you said the clip has no sound, and there is not enough of the film to understand what preceded this either, but by being there when she should not was not doing nothing, it was doing something that was understood to be wrong.claretonthecoast1882 wrote:The clip I have seen shows her walking behind people. I admit there was no volume so if she was shouting then I didn't realise. What was she doing ?
I have some sympathy for the MP in this instance, but I think I’m right in saying that you, amongst others, referred to milkshake being thrown at someone as assault. When you’re setting the bar that low I’m afraid you’ve got nowhere to go on this one.dsr wrote:Why wouldn't someone be angry that his glitzy dinner was interrupted? If you were having some sort of dinner, at home or eating out, and the whole thing was ruined by some protester who was interrupting the whole thing, you'd want to put a stop to it.
How badly was she hurt?
Rick_Muller wrote:She was somewhere that she wasn't meant to be - as you said the clip has no sound, and there is not enough of the film to understand what preceded this either, but by being there when she should not was not doing nothing, it was doing something that was understood to be wrong.
Or leave it to someone whose job it is?claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Then either a hand on her arm or back guiding her out the building rather than looking like hes gripped her neck was a better option
It only takes 1 disturbed individual to infiltrate the political movement for it to be labelled terrorism after they kill someone for their cause.Lancasterclaret wrote:Or leave it to someone whose job it is?
Its "Extinction rebellion", not the Islamic State ffs.
I agree with you in that is how I would do it, but I was not there in that setting - he was, and he did that.claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Then either a hand on her arm or back guiding her out the building rather than looking like hes gripped her neck was a better option
There isn't any sound like you say.Rick_Muller wrote:It only takes 1 disturbed individual to infiltrate the political movement for it to be labelled terrorism after they kill someone for their cause.
And before you know it you have a #metoo on your hands.claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Then either a hand on her arm or back guiding her out the building rather than looking like hes gripped her neck was a better option
Paging Dr Freud.AndyClaret wrote:And before you know it you have a #metoo on your hands.
If this a normal lad in a kebab shop doing this, then think "would you look at it the same way?"Lancasterclaret wrote:Seen it again.
He shoves her against the pillar and grabs her neck.
No offence people, but there is a way of doing this and way of not doing this, and it looks like a ****** off bloke taking it out on a lass whose interrupted his dinner to me.
Everyone gets angry, but not everyone snaps like that. Thats the issue here.
So you think an event that has Government ministers attending wouldn't have tight security and that guests are not searched as they enter?RingoMcCartney wrote:For all anyone knew, she could have been about to throw battery acid on guests.
Anyway, all the attention is on this incident instead of what Remoaner Hammond was whining on about.
True, but the same applies to pretty much anyone at any given time. Should we just be allowed to assault whomever we want, on the basis that they might be about to throw acid (or, even worse, milkshake) at someone?RingoMcCartney wrote:For all anyone knew, she could have been about to throw battery acid on guests.
Greenmile wrote:True, but the same applies to pretty much anyone at any given time. Should we just be allowed to assault whomever we want, on the basis that they might be about to throw acid (or, even worse, milkshake) at someone?
Well she wasn't a guest. She was a gatecrasher to a private event. She was uninvited. Some could see her as a trespasser.Spijed wrote:So you think an event that has Government ministers attending wouldn't have tight security and that guests are not searched as they enter?
If that's the case then surely any wanna be terrorist knows they can walk in I checked.
Imploding Turtle wrote:It won't be long before the people excusing this are excusing other, much more serious violence against peaceful but inconvenient protesters.
Nope. Because at least one of the people you're talking about isn't a hypocrite. You only think they are because you are and think that everyone else is like you.Damo wrote:The worst thing about this, is if this had been a lib dem or possibly a labour MP. About 5 or 6 posters on this thread would have a totally different opinion on it.
Some of you are getting sillier by the day
The answer is clearly 'no of course not'. However, you use the word "assault" let's see if he's judged to have made an "assault" by the relevant bodies shall we?Greenmile wrote:True, but the same applies to pretty much anyone at any given time. Should we just be allowed to assault whomever we want, on the basis that they might be about to throw acid (or, even worse, milkshake) at someone?
Very difficult to stop people entering as Simon Brodkin always seems to find a way. However, at events such as the Tory party conference he will have had to go through security scanners. At events such as last night there would have been bag searches, as is common practice (Even at places such as the British museum). Whilst it may be difficult to stop some people gaining entry, the chances of people being able to bring in weapons would be quite difficult I suspect.RingoMcCartney wrote:Well she wasn't a guest. She was a gatecrasher to a private event. She was uninvited. Some could see her as a trespasser.
Even if she had been searched, the tables had a plentiful supply of knives.
Questions should be asked about the failure of security to stop uninvited, potentially dangerous people entering a building.