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Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:42 pm
by Reecey1987
According to john cross on twitter https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... a-16245759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:44 pm
by Longside4evr
Thats not alarming he and the club will come to some sort of agreement negotiations are all the rage at the moment

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:47 pm
by Reecey1987
Longside4evr wrote:Thats not alarming he and the club will come to some sort of agreement negotiations are all the rage at the moment
All depends if he can get a better deal elsewere i presume also he may not be our number 1 next season

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:48 pm
by randomclaret2
We have 2 other England keepers

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:49 pm
by FactualFrank
Understandable.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:58 pm
by box_of_frogs
randomclaret2 wrote:We have 2 other England keepers
One of them isn’t actually very good though.....

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:11 pm
by randomclaret2
Presumably youre referring to Joe Hart .I thought by and large he was outstanding when he was in the side.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:13 pm
by Guller Bull
Did you? - thats nice then.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:15 pm
by 1914tyrone
Joe is as good as Nick and Tom at shot stopping. But is so hesitant to come off his line the defence then lacks confidence in him and we concede.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:18 pm
by Reecey1987
Maybe with a full pre season hart may be different . Something he never really got with us being in europe

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:19 pm
by Guller Bull
That in a nutshell is Joe's problem and that leads to jitters - great shot stopper but there is so much more to a keeper than that. Tom inspires confidence and that rubs off on the defence.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:25 pm
by jrgbfc
Maybe Tom has got the feeling Pope is going to be our number 1 from next season.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:47 pm
by ClaretTony
Linked with Bournemouth as was Pope just before he signed his new deal and Hart. Mind you, no wonder they are desperate for a new goalkeeper having seen Begovic and Boruc last season.

Tom will be happy to stay here as long as he's playing. If he thinks that isn't going to be the case then it wouldn't be a surprise to see him want to move.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:53 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
If he doesn't want to sign a new deal and Pope is fully fit then sell Heaton and get the next understudy in.

Hart can go as well.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:41 pm
by northernpowerhouse
Sell him to Villa or Bournemouth for £10 million+ and make Pope number one. Sad to see him go but it's the sensible thing to do.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:59 pm
by NL Claret
1914tyrone wrote:Joe is as good as Nick and Tom at shot stopping. But is so hesitant to come off his line the defence then lacks confidence in him and we concede.
Heaton is hesitant too to come off his line. Hart's main problem was the under performance of lowton / Taylor / mee / tarky (probably not 100% fit) / cork in front of him in the first half of the season. The crowd and utc posters are more confident with Heaton in goal.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:02 pm
by boatshed bill
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:If he doesn't want to sign a new deal and Pope is fully fit then sell Heaton and get the next understudy in.

Hart can go as well.
Getting rid of Heaton and Hart would leave us very thin with only Legzdins as back up.
If the pair were to leave I'd like to see us try to sign Etheridge from Cardiff, i think he could become a top quality keeper.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 pm
by Tricky Trevor
All politics. We need two top keepers and Joe Hart is a busted flush. He's had 3 seasons of being in a coconut shy. He needs to get his confidence back elsewhere I'm afraid.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 pm
by ClaretTony
NL Claret wrote:Heaton is hesitant too to come off his line. Hart's main problem was the under performance of lowton / Taylor / mee / tarky (probably not 100% fit) / cork in front of him in the first half of the season. The crowd and utc posters are more confident with Heaton in goal.
Any thoughts as to why Lowton, Taylor, Mee, Tarky were under performing? Could it have been a lack of confidence in the goalkeeper. I’d say Heaton is far less hesitant coming off his line.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:05 pm
by elwaclaret
NL Claret wrote:Heaton is hesitant too to come off his line. Hart's main problem was the under performance of lowton / Taylor / mee / tarky (probably not 100% fit) / cork in front of him in the first half of the season. The crowd and utc posters are more confident with Heaton in goal.
I agree in part. Pope is by far the best for commanding his area, but Heaton put a stop to everyone rushing back to the goal line, instead of closing space. Though I agree a good pre-season could rectify that, hopefully.

I’d like Tom to stay, but in all honesty I think Pope is the better keeper.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:12 pm
by MACCA
ClaretTony wrote:Any thoughts as to why Lowton, Taylor, Mee, Tarky were under performing? Could it have been a lack of confidence in the goalkeeper. I’d say Heaton is far less hesitant coming off his line.
Yes, soon as Heaton came back in it lifted the whole team and performance levels went up 5-10% for pretty much the whole team.

I was told it was a popular decision with the team bringing Heaton back in, and stats showed it.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:23 pm
by BurnleyFC
It’s be a shame to see Heaton leave, but we have a more than adequate understudy waiting in the wings.

The only issue I can see is that if Pope has a season like his debut one next year, some really big clubs will be after him.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:23 pm
by Steve1956
Probably the right time to cash in on Tom,Pope is everything Tom is and a bit more,Joe Hart no2 jobs a good un,we don't want to be shelling out our precious transfer budget on a keeper.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:24 pm
by mkmel
boatshed bill wrote:Getting rid of Heaton and Hart would leave us very thin with only Legzdins as back up.
If the pair were to leave I'd like to see us try to sign Etheridge from Cardiff, i think he could become a top quality keeper.
Etheridge is not a bad shout and would please my Filipina fiancee

I would also suggest Alex McCarthy at Southampton if fee not too high

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:26 pm
by Dyched
box_of_frogs wrote:One of them isn’t actually very good though.....
What absolute tosh.



He’s ******* shite man.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:28 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Not good news, but it was always going to be a struggle keeping two top keepers.

I do wonder if he's got some encouragement from somewhere though

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:30 pm
by Quickenthetempo
A mate of mine was told this at the fixtures breakfast.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:30 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Maybe Hart has been working on commanding his box and defence and saving shots down to his left during his time out of the team.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:34 pm
by bennitor
boatshed bill wrote:Getting rid of Heaton and Hart would leave us very thin with only Legzdins as back up.
If the pair were to leave I'd like to see us try to sign Etheridge from Cardiff, i think he could become a top quality keeper.
Surprised me when I looked that Etheridge is 29 - so his time to improve is actually pretty limited (albeit entering peak goalkeeping age admittedly).

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 pm
by Reecey1987
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Maybe Hart has been working on commanding his box and defence and saving shots down to his left during his time out of the team.
Have you seen his new armour tatoo completley off topic but seen as nobody as posted it https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... taste/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:45 pm
by boatshed bill
bennitor wrote:Surprised me when I looked that Etheridge is 29 - so his time to improve is actually pretty limited (albeit entering peak goalkeeping age admittedly).
I didn't realise he was that old. Still he would be good as second choice.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:52 pm
by Burnleyareback2
ClaretTony wrote:Any thoughts as to why Lowton, Taylor, Mee, Tarky were under performing? Could it have been a lack of confidence in the goalkeeper. I’d say Heaton is far less hesitant coming off his line.
Nail hit on the head.

I said before, Hart made all the saves a top keeper should make, Heaton makes the saves a keeper shouldn't be making.

In addition Heaton was much stronger in communication and organisation of the back 4

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:54 pm
by Burnleyareback2
boatshed bill wrote:I didn't realise he was that old. Still he would be good as second choice.
If he is happy with being a number 2 then aside from us signing the next Nick Pope I would be fine with him staying.

My concern is his wages- I read somewhere (may not be true) that City paid half of his wage last season, i worry what we will be paying him from next season - our own Jack Rodwell?!

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:58 pm
by burnley007
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Maybe Hart has been working on commanding his box and defence and saving shots down to his left during his time out of the team.
The improvements that both Heaton and Pope have made whilst at the club suggest that we could possibly fix Hart's flaws over time...

...possibly

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:01 pm
by Bigvince
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned before, but how long has Heats got left on his contract.
I thought he signed a new contract just after he got got back into side, or am I mistaken?

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:03 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
boatshed bill wrote:Getting rid of Heaton and Hart would leave us very thin with only Legzdins as back up.
If the pair were to leave I'd like to see us try to sign Etheridge from Cardiff, i think he could become a top quality keeper.
So you're basically agreeing that we'd need to sign another number 2, you just took the long way round..

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
Bigvince wrote:Don’t know if it’s been mentioned before, but how long has Heats got left on his contract.
I thought he signed a new contract just after he got got back into side, or am I mistaken?
According to the link he's got a year left.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 pm
by warksclaret
This is not good news. I sense there is something wrong here. If Tom wanted to stay there would have been negotiations and an agreement would have been reached, and kept under the radar. Lets face it he is a high profile footballer now and an international. Now that its out in the open I suspect we will not get a resolution.

Its all right saying he can go, but he is captain, inspires huge confidence, and comes over as a thoroughly nice guy

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:05 pm
by theroyaldyche
randomclaret2 wrote:Presumably youre referring to Joe Hart .I thought by and large he was outstanding when he was in the side.
He was and still could be a great keeper for us if heaton left

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:32 pm
by Braindead
I think with Pope committing to a long term deal Heaton has realised he will ultimately be replaced, so sensibly, at his age, has decided to move on.

An absolutely wonderful goalkeeper, the best I've ever seen at Burnley and hands down the ultimate free transfer jackpot.

I am excited to see Nick Pope develop as our number one.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:46 pm
by Bigvince
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:According to the link he's got a year left.
I wonder if he took up an extension, to his existing contract

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:46 pm
by Giftonsnoidea
Maybe he’s a bit miffed that he was unceremoniously dropped and then reinstated as a last ditch attempt to stay up.

His recall was rather late in the day after being fully fit for what seemed eons.

Would like him to stay , need to move hart on asap

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:15 pm
by elwaclaret
Giftonsnoidea wrote:Maybe he’s a bit miffed that he was unceremoniously dropped and then reinstated as a last ditch attempt to stay up.

His recall was rather late in the day after being fully fit for what seemed eons.

Would like him to stay , need to move hart on asap
According to several grapevines Hart is on Stoke’s wish list if their chap whose name escapes me gets a move.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:18 pm
by Stockbrokerbelt
All part of negotiations.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:25 pm
by beddie
Once the Club make the offer that Tom and his Agent believe he's worth all will be roses. Other clubs will be keeping tabs on Tom knowing they can probably pay what he's asking. Players don't get many opportunity's to be in the driving seat. Tom's just exercising his right to negotiate. Time will tell but I hope a deal can be struck.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:28 pm
by Dark Cloud
Wind back 12 months and it's Ben Mee all over again. I assume it will all get sorted amicably, but it's all rather unsettling.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:31 pm
by Giftonsnoidea
Prob what Hart is earning has upset more than a few apple carts, is he on 150k a week with Man City paying half?

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:35 pm
by MRG
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Maybe Hart has been working on commanding his box and defence and saving shots down to his left during his time out of the team.
Makes you wonder how he was England number 1 for all them years along with all that he managed to win with City

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:01 pm
by boatshed bill
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So you're basically agreeing that we'd need to sign another number 2, you just took the long way round..
You could put it that way. ;)

But I wasn't dismissing the possibility that Hart may be kept on. Could happen.

Re: Heaton turns down new deal

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:09 pm
by NL Claret
ClaretTony wrote:Any thoughts as to why Lowton, Taylor, Mee, Tarky were under performing? Could it have been a lack of confidence in the goalkeeper. I’d say Heaton is far less hesitant coming off his line.
Lack of confidence in the keeper? No. Lowton is a bit hit n miss, Taylor looked an average championship left back who was stepping up, Mee terribly out of form and Tarky carrying an injury. The midfield was weak and Jack Cork offered the back four no protection. Even when Heaton came back in the defence struggled with crosses coming into the box. I'll change what I said about hesitation, Hart stays on his line, Heaton occasionally comes for crosses but isn't a commanding keeper. There is a reason that keepers don't come for every ball that comes into the box that Hart was expected to by the fans and maybe the defence, injury been one of them. We had a season of Pope collecting all of them, that is one of his strengths, very few modern day goalkeepers do that.

As for the comments about defenders running behind Hart, that has happened with Heaton and Pope so that's a load of ********. It's the way , when on form that Burnley defend. There were more defensive blocks and energy from the midfield in the second half of the season, were they less confident in Heaton or the myth they didn't like Hart which questions their professionalism.