What they'll be doing in the lower leagues
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What they'll be doing in the lower leagues
We will be a week away from a fourth successive Premier League season but the clubs in the lower leagues will be kicking off their season on 3rd August.
Championship
Friday, 2 August
Luton v Middlesbrough (19:45)
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 kick-off unless stated
Barnsley v Fulham
Blackburn v Charlton
Brentford v Birmingham
Millwall v Preston
Reading v Sheffield Wednesday
Stoke v QPR
Swansea v Hull
Wigan v Cardiff
Nottingham Forest v West Brom (17:30)
Sunday, 4 August
Bristol City v Leeds United (16:30)
Monday, 5 August
Huddersfield v Derby (19:45)
League One
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 BST kick-off unless stated
AFC Wimbledon v Rotherham
Blackpool v Bristol Rovers
Burton v Ipswich
Bury v MK
Coventry v Southend
Doncaster v Gillingham
Lincoln v Accrington
Peterborough v Fleetwood
Shrewsbury v Portsmouth
Sunderland v Oxford
Tranmere v Rochdale
Wycombe v Bolton
League Two
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 kick-off (unless stated)
Salford v Stevenage (12:30)
Bradford City v Cambridge
Carlisle v Crawley
Colchester v Port Vale
Crewe v Plymouth
Exeter v Macclesfield
Forest Green v Oldham
Leyton Orient v Cheltenham
Morecambe v Grimsby
Newport v Mansfield
Northampton v Walsall
Scunthorpe v Swindon
Championship
Friday, 2 August
Luton v Middlesbrough (19:45)
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 kick-off unless stated
Barnsley v Fulham
Blackburn v Charlton
Brentford v Birmingham
Millwall v Preston
Reading v Sheffield Wednesday
Stoke v QPR
Swansea v Hull
Wigan v Cardiff
Nottingham Forest v West Brom (17:30)
Sunday, 4 August
Bristol City v Leeds United (16:30)
Monday, 5 August
Huddersfield v Derby (19:45)
League One
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 BST kick-off unless stated
AFC Wimbledon v Rotherham
Blackpool v Bristol Rovers
Burton v Ipswich
Bury v MK
Coventry v Southend
Doncaster v Gillingham
Lincoln v Accrington
Peterborough v Fleetwood
Shrewsbury v Portsmouth
Sunderland v Oxford
Tranmere v Rochdale
Wycombe v Bolton
League Two
Saturday, 3 August, 15:00 kick-off (unless stated)
Salford v Stevenage (12:30)
Bradford City v Cambridge
Carlisle v Crawley
Colchester v Port Vale
Crewe v Plymouth
Exeter v Macclesfield
Forest Green v Oldham
Leyton Orient v Cheltenham
Morecambe v Grimsby
Newport v Mansfield
Northampton v Walsall
Scunthorpe v Swindon
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Nicely put Tony
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10 former PL teams in the bottom 2 tiers - and could have been 12 if Barnsley / Charlton hadn't gone up
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Re: What they'll be doing in the lower leagues
Will be interesting to see how Bury & Bolton get on in the first few weeks of next season ? Have I missed news of any points deductions ??
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Don't Bolton start on minus 12?Clarets4me wrote:Will be interesting to see how Bury & Bolton get on in the first few weeks of next season ? Have I missed news of any points deductions ??
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Surprise to see Leeds being televised
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Can you name the ten ?Selby Claret wrote:10 former PL teams in the bottom 2 tiers - and could have been 12 if Barnsley / Charlton hadn't gone up
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Blackpool
Ipswich
Coventry
Portsmouth
Sunderland
Bolton
Swindon
Oldham
Bradford
Ipswich
Coventry
Portsmouth
Sunderland
Bolton
Swindon
Oldham
Bradford
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Re: What they'll be doing in the lower leagues
Blackpool,Portsmouth,Swindon,Sunderland come to mindFunkydrummer wrote:Can you name the ten ?
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Funkydrummer wrote:Can you name the ten ?
9 I think.
Can see Salford becoming media darlings.
Bolton -12 and still to get punished for not fulfilling the Brentford game.
Bury haven't gone into administration so no point deduction. They have no manager and probably most players can't get out of there quick enough. A Bury Bolton double on relegation would be a short price.
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wimbledon,ipswich,coventry,portsmouth,sunderland,bolton,blackpool,bradford city, swindon oldham
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BlackpoolFunkydrummer wrote:Can you name the ten ?
Bolton
Coventry
Ipswich
Portsmouth
Sunderland
Wimbledon
Bradford City
Oldham
Swindon
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And MK Dons or Wimbledon, right?
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Already are with the documentaries and the likesNL Claret wrote:Can see Salford becoming media darlings
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I was going to include Wimbledon, but, in their current incarnation, they have never been in the top flight, let alone the Premiership/Premier League.clansman wrote:wimbledon,ipswich,coventry,portsmouth,sunderland,bolton,blackpool,bradford city, swindon oldham
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I know you are going to argue this but they are recognised as the club who played in the Premier League and won the FA Cup. MK themselves confirm they were founded in 2004.Lord Beamish wrote:I was going to include Wimbledon, but, in their current incarnation, they have never been in the top flight, let alone the Premiership/Premier League.
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They are a reformed Club, just like Accrington Stanley. They don’t qualify as having been a Top Flight Club in the same way that Stanley have no claim to being a founder member of the Football League.ClaretTony wrote:I know you are going to argue this but they are recognised as the club who played in the Premier League and won the FA Cup. MK themselves confirm they were founded in 2004.
The same has to be said for Stoke City, too. They are neither the oldest Football League Club, nor a Founder Member.
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I was thinking Oxford but it must been just before the formation of the league
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When i decided on '10' I included MK Dons OR AFC Wimbledon in the list given that I couldn't argue that neither of them represented the former Wimbledon - so just pick one
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I’d argue that neither do. One has relinquished the mantle and the other has claimed it.Selby Claret wrote:When i decided on '10' I included MK Dons OR AFC Wimbledon in the list given that I couldn't argue that neither of them represented the former Wimbledon - so just pick one
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One relinquished it and the FA agreed that the honours and records should be given to AFC Wimbledon who are now recognised as the club that played in the Premier League. Whatever your opinion, that's how it is now considered by the two clubs and the governing bodies.Lord Beamish wrote:I’d argue that neither do. One has relinquished the mantle and the other has claimed it.
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The closest any team came to being in the Premier League but missed out, it's Luton and Notts County. They were relegated in 1992 just as the Premier League was about to start. West Ham went down with them.Longside4evr wrote:I was thinking Oxford but it must been just before the formation of the league
Oxford were there in the 1980s.
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Given that it was Wimbledon FC's decision to relocate and rename (not become newly formed) - and that MK Dons continued in the pyramid where 'Wimbledon' were (with the same manager and squad) - I'd suggest they can claim to be a former PL team (if they want to!)Lord Beamish wrote:I’d argue that neither do. One has relinquished the mantle and the other has claimed it.
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I didn’t think the opinion of MK Dons meant anything to you, CT? Unless of course you’re willing to suspend that stand if it supports your point of view.ClaretTony wrote:One relinquished it and the FA agreed that the honours and records should be given to AFC Wimbledon who are now recognised as the club that played in the Premier League. Whatever your opinion, that's how it is now considered by the two clubs and the governing bodies.
Recognised or not, as far as I’m concerned Wimbledon FC no longer exist. That’s why there’s not a Wimbledon FC on the current list of extant Football Clubs.
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As I said, it's your opinion, but they are fully recognised by the FA and the Football League as the club who played previously. Both those organisations were against what happened but it was the decision of an independent commission that took their league place away and awarded it to a new club miles away. They quickly reformed the club and started from the bottom again. They fought tooth and nail for those honours which are rightly theirs.Lord Beamish wrote:Recognised or not, as far as I’m concerned Wimbledon FC no longer exist. That’s why there’s not a Wimbledon FC on the current list of extant Football Clubs.
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MK can't - they accepted they bought a place in the league and have now confirmed that their club was not formed until 2004. They have never played in the top division. Horrible thing to happen but thankfully can't happen again.Selby Claret wrote:Given that it was Wimbledon FC's decision to relocate and rename (not become newly formed) - and that MK Dons continued in the pyramid where 'Wimbledon' were (with the same manager and squad) - I'd suggest they can claim to be a former PL team (if they want to!)
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The FA and FL did it to assuage the guilty consciences they bore for turning a blind eye to the whole shambles.ClaretTony wrote:As I said, it's your opinion, but they are fully recognised by the FA and the Football League as the club who played previously. Both those organisations were against what happened but it was the decision of an independent commission that took their league place away and awarded it to a new club miles away. They quickly reformed the club and started from the bottom again. They fought tooth and nail for those honours which are rightly theirs.
Wimbledon FC died when they moved to Milton Keynes. AFC Wimbledon are just an ersatz impersonation of an extinct Club. If they’ve been given Wimbledon’s accolades, they’ve been given something they haven’t earned.
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I'm not really sure why you're arguing.
FA consider AFC Wimbledon to have been the same side to have played in the Prem.
Everyone is allowed their opinion on whether they are the 'same' club in their own opinion (I would personally agree with Beamish) but facts are facts so they are the same side whether I agree or not.
FA consider AFC Wimbledon to have been the same side to have played in the Prem.
Everyone is allowed their opinion on whether they are the 'same' club in their own opinion (I would personally agree with Beamish) but facts are facts so they are the same side whether I agree or not.
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Not trueLord Beamish wrote:Wimbledon FC died when they moved to Milton Keynes
Wimbledon did not move to Milton Keynes, by the time a league team was playing at Milton Keynes, Wimbledon were already in their second season in non-league. The club in MK, against Football League rules, bought a franchise.
I'm not arguing the point with you any longer, every time either club is mentioned you produce the same totally incorrect information.
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If the FA told me that 2+2=4, that would be an indisputable fact. What they are telling me is their judgement(like Dark Side of the Moon is better than Wish You Were Here). Nothing is contingent on me agreeing with it. As it happens, I don’t. I think Wimbledon FC no longer exist. The Club AFC Wimbledon have assumed their mantle, and this has been approved by the Authorities.Falcon wrote:I'm not really sure why you're arguing.
FA consider AFC Wimbledon to have been the same side to have played in the Prem.
Everyone is allowed their opinion on whether they are the 'same' club in their own opinion (I would personally agree with Beamish) but facts are facts so they are the same side whether I agree or not.
What is fact is that no Club named AFC Wimbledon has ever played in any incarnation of the Top Flight of Football in this Country.
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Is your postman ill?claretblue wrote:no post
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Wimbledon FC was from a bygone era but try telling their fans that
Them fans hung on to everything it may not be the crazy gang now but them fans that have fought for everything Wimbledon certainly wont agree
It's to them that their identity was as good as stolen but not their accolades they live on and Wimbledon till they die
It's like they have had a sex change but they are still human what ever it says on there birth certificate they are still Wimbledon to their Supporters
Them fans hung on to everything it may not be the crazy gang now but them fans that have fought for everything Wimbledon certainly wont agree
It's to them that their identity was as good as stolen but not their accolades they live on and Wimbledon till they die
It's like they have had a sex change but they are still human what ever it says on there birth certificate they are still Wimbledon to their Supporters
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Here comes the continuing media obsession over Salford City ten fold from this season onwards.
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Foshiznik wrote:Here comes the continuing media obsession over Salford City ten fold from this season onwards.
I'm already bored of it.
File alongside Frank Lampard's Derby County.
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Why have they made Stanley's home fixtures clash with ours again? I'm sure it used to be other way round. I quite like going to watch Accy when we are away but will only be able to go on the odd occasion we get bumped to a Sunday.
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Absolutely. Already televising the first game of the season. Surely there can't be that big an audience for a smaller scale Man City-esque project playing league 2 football?Falcon wrote:I'm already bored of it.
File alongside Frank Lampard's Derby County.
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Leeds on TV, whatever next?
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First thing I heard this morning when I turned on the radio was 'will be playing Frank Lampard's Derby'Falcon wrote:I'm already bored of it.
File alongside Frank Lampard's Derby County.
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They do. As far as Bury are concerned, hasn't the cut off point for points deduction now passed, with the publication of the fixtures?ClaretTony wrote:Don't Bolton start on minus 12?
Not sure of that, actually.
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As someone I think has pointed out, they've yet to go into administration ... I'm nearly sure that if this happened between now and the end of the season, they'd be liable to have the points docked.ElectroClaret wrote:They do. As far as Bury are concerned, hasn't the cut off point for points deduction now passed, with the publication of the fixtures ? Not sure of that, actually.
I say liable, because Blackpool entered administration, but didn't suffer a points penalty, because of the circumstances ..
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The cut off point is at a point during the season. If Bolton had gone into admin a few weeks earlier they would have had the points taken off them last season.ElectroClaret wrote:They do. As far as Bury are concerned, hasn't the cut off point for points deduction now passed, with the publication of the fixtures?
Not sure of that, actually.
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Doesn't the deduction get carried over into the next season if they would still have gone down anyway? I'm sure I remember reading that.ClaretTony wrote:The cut off point is at a point during the season. If Bolton had gone into admin a few weeks earlier they would have had the points taken off them last season.
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I’m not sure. I know there is a circumstance where they are deducted in the current season otherwise in the following season.aggi wrote:Doesn't the deduction get carried over into the next season if they would still have gone down anyway? I'm sure I remember reading that.
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ClaretTony wrote:I’m not sure. I know there is a circumstance where they are deducted in the current season otherwise in the following season.
Hopefully its next season they are carried over to as I am on them to be relegated again. Just looked at the odds are as low as 2/1 and they are now 2nd favs for it. They were a lot bigger odds recently so they must be starting -12
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Bolton do start on minus 12claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Hopefully its next season they are carried over to as I am on them to be relegated again. Just looked at the odds are as low as 2/1 and they are now 2nd favs for it. They were a lot bigger odds recently so they must be starting -12
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Bl**dy Royal Mail!claretblue wrote:no post
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ClaretTony wrote:Bolton do start on minus 12
Sounds cold does that but not cold enough
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Found it. If the club enters administration on or before 5 p.m. on the fourth Thursday in March, the points are deducted immediately.aggi wrote:Doesn't the deduction get carried over into the next season if they would still have gone down anyway? I'm sure I remember reading that.
If it is after 5 p.m. on fourth Thursday in March, the points will be deducted in the following season if they are relegated without the deduction, otherwise it will be immediate.