Burnley looking to redevelop the Cricket Field stand
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:49 am
...for almost 20 years.
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Take a look at the date, mi lud.Lord Beamish wrote:I’ve always thought that any redevelopment of the CFS should incorporate a new Pavilion for BCC. I hope this is what's being proposed.
D’oh!Funkydrummer wrote:Take a look at the date, mi lud.
Was the bread bin stand the one where the plans had apartments overlooking the pitch?ClaretTony wrote:That idea didn’t last long - about 4 years later came plan number 2 to move the cricket club to Fulledge Rec.
Then there was Flood’s sports village idea in 2007 followed by the bread bin stand plans a couple of years after that.
And here we are, almost 50 years since it opened, with the same cricket field stand apart from a few new seats going in.
It's worked well enough at Headingley over the years so no reason why it couldn't be done. I suspect in another 20 years time we'll still be discussing redeveloping the cricket field standDyched wrote:2 sided stand. Pavilion on one side backing on to the new Cricket field. Job done. Easy.
I’m off on Monday so I’ll get crackin
I think that might have been Flood’s plan. The bread bin plans included a hotel.ElectroClaret wrote:Was the bread bin stand the one where the plans had apartments overlooking the pitch?
To do so, I think they really need to buy the cricket club first. Whether this is a new build or significant redevelopment.Duffer_ wrote:As we prepare to embark on our 4th consecutive season in the PL, can anyone offer a rational explanation as to why we're NOT building a new Cricket Field stand?
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Major mistake.ClaretTony wrote:I think that might have been Flood’s plan. The bread bin plans included a hotel.
That's fair enough if BCC will not sell but is there any evidence that we've tried? It's a complication rather than a reason NOT to.Jakubs Tash wrote:To do so, I think they really need to buy the cricket club first. Whether this is a new build or significant redevelopment.
It's scandalous that they haven't even formulated (as far as I am aware) any plans of what they want to do with ground improvements. And this does not mean increasing the capacity, just improving the archaic facilities.MACCA wrote:The price for the BCC land is only going to get higher and higher. Theres substantial land there that could include player parking, media parking, eateries, fan zone, as well as a start of the art stand and changing facilities.
Problem is we keep patching things up, which either means we can't or dont want to redevelop it at this time. But IMO that would be another legacy of our top flight campaigning.
Apart from only holding 2500 fansclaptrappers_union wrote:The Breadbin Stand concept was a good idea... it just looked ugly.
I thought it was common knowledge that BFC made an offer to buy and also relocate BCC to Fulledge. Not only that, BFC offered to fund BCC for a good few years. BCC are reluctant due to the money they generate from BFC matchdays.Duffer_ wrote:That's fair enough if BCC will not sell but is there any evidence that we've tried? It's a complication rather than a reason NOT to.
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Assuming it's an option to relocate to fulledge, would it not be fair to say they would still generate a fair amount on match days as well, at least if it was still a pre match drinks stop for away fans. We're not talking a million miles away are we.Jakubs Tash wrote:I thought it was common knowledge that BFC made an offer to buy and also relocate BCC to Fulledge. Not only that, BFC offered to fund BCC for a good few years. BCC are reluctant due to the money they generate from BFC matchdays.
I could be wrong but I thought that was the story.
I'll be gobsmacked if and when the hot water taps in the bogs actually work!Corky wrote:It's scandalous that they haven't even formulated (as far as I am aware) any plans of what they want to do with ground improvements. And this does not mean increasing the capacity, just improving the archaic facilities.
Wasn't that nearly 20 years ago? You'd like to think we haven't sat on our hands for 20 years waiting for the cricket club to accept our original offer.Jakubs Tash wrote:I thought it was common knowledge that BFC made an offer to buy and also relocate BCC to Fulledge. Not only that, BFC offered to fund BCC for a good few years. BCC are reluctant due to the money they generate from BFC matchdays.
I could be wrong but I thought that was the story.
So, that would be £209k of sales in a year (not profit) while we're in the PL. By way of context, our turnover was nearly £140m with a profit in excess of £36m.Claretforever wrote:I’m sure I read somewhere that the Cricket Club took £18,000 over the bar when we played Aberdeen at home, and the Aberdeen fans were turning up with cases from Tesco. It was pretty packed mind.
They must take £10K per home game on average, which is £190,000, plus parking at £5 each? What is there, 200 cars?
We can swap it for a bejewelled one and mitigate the financial impact by taking the beer sales ourselves.ewanrob wrote:Given those numbers, certainly not to be sniffed at...and you can see why they wish to hold onto to the golden egg.
I think that probably went over a few heads, Buxton.Buxtonclaret wrote:New central heating in it?
Went some way did that one. Was when Dave Edmundson was chief exec around 2004. But simply the supposed designated area wasn’t anything like big enough.Jakubs Tash wrote:I thought it was common knowledge that BFC made an offer to buy and also relocate BCC to Fulledge. Not only that, BFC offered to fund BCC for a good few years. BCC are reluctant due to the money they generate from BFC matchdays.
I could be wrong but I thought that was the story.
The stand was officially opened in August 1969 by Lord Rhodes, the Lord Lieutenant of Lancashire, not Edward Heath. Heath officially opened the Bob Lord stand in 1974 ahead of a home game against Leeds.Royboyclaret wrote:I think that probably went over a few heads, Buxton.
Bob Lord was never slow to introduce new and innovative ideas at the Turf but the CFS provided the club with one scheme which never really took off. When the stand was completed in 1969 it boasted underfloor heating to keep a maximum of 4,500 fans warm during the winter months. But by the time Prime Minister Edward Heath officially opened the stand in November 1973 the oil-fired system had already been turned off for the last time as it proved massively uneconomical.
I had it in mind that Heath opened the Bob Lord stand prior to the game against Villa in Feb'74.ClaretTony wrote:The stand was officially opened in August 1969 by Lord Rhodes, the Lord Lieutenant of Lancashire, not Edward Heath. Heath officially opened the Bob Lord stand in 1974 ahead of a home game against Leeds.
Royboyclaret wrote:I had it in mind that Heath opened the Bob Lord stand prior to the game against Villa in Feb'74.
Just seen your edit.
Until recently, (moving house..lost a lot of my old programmes) I had the Football League Review mag that you used to get in match programs had the article on our 'central heated stand'. Think it was only ever turned on once or twice?Royboyclaret wrote:I think that probably went over a few heads, Buxton.
Bob Lord was never slow to introduce new and innovative ideas at the Turf but the CFS provided the club with one scheme which never really took off. When the stand was completed in 1969 it boasted underfloor heating to keep a maximum of 4,500 fans warm during the winter months. But by the time Prime Minister Edward Heath officially opened the stand in November 1973 the oil-fired system had already been turned off for the last time as it proved massively uneconomical.
Royboyclaret post is a quot from a book that has incorrect info. I can actually remember the official opening, was done from the front of the directors box before a friendly against Middlesbrough.Buxtonclaret wrote:Until recently, (moving house..lost a lot of my old programmes) I had the Football League Review mag that you used to get in match programs had the article on our 'central heated stand'. Think it was only ever turned on once or twice?
But as CT says, Heath didn't opened the CS.
Given how long it's taken them to do the corners we have probably began the process, we just haven't noticed.Duffer_ wrote:As we prepare to embark on our 4th consecutive season in the PL, can anyone offer a rational explanation as to why we're NOT building a new Cricket Field stand?
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He did. Think it was the home game against Leeds towards the end of the 1965/66 season.cbx750 wrote:Didn't Field Marshal Montgomery come to the Turf once or have I imagined that.
They do have every right. Believe Flood & Fletcher tried to bully them a bit a few years ago.bfcjg wrote:Burnley cc have every right to stay where they are. Perhaps we just look at a tired stand with the same or slightly larger foot print. Money talks.
. dislikes bullies.ClaretTony wrote:They do have every right. Believe Flood & Fletcher tried to bully them a bit a few years ago.
If we were to replace the cricket field stand on the same footprint we would have to put turnstiles at the back of it which would mean a smaller stand in terms of depth.
Maybe that's a price worth paying for the comfort, and more importantly, the safety of its inhabitants. I come back to the point...when is there a better time to replace it?ClaretTony wrote:They do have every right. Believe Flood & Fletcher tried to bully them a bit a few years ago.
If we were to replace the cricket field stand on the same footprint we would have to put turnstiles at the back of it which would mean a smaller stand in terms of depth.
I don't think there is a better time to replace it, but with what? As I said above, I think space would have to be allocated to allow people to get behind it whereas that is on the cricket ground currently. I was told, and I'm sure by Fletcher, that building one with the turnstiles at either end now would not be permitted.Duffer_ wrote:Maybe that's a price worth paying for the comfort, and more importantly, the safety of its inhabitants. I come back to the point...when is there a better time to replace it?
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The inference from what Fletch said is that it wouldn't be considered safe nowadays. If it aint safe to build now, does that make it safer if we do nothing? If we are agreed that now is the time, surely we do the best with with what we can. If that involves incentivising the cricket club, then great. If not, we have a duty to do the best we can. I haven't been in the Cricket Field Stand for probably 40 years and I wouldn't take my kids on there now...I feel sad about that.ClaretTony wrote:I don't think there is a better time to replace it, but with what? As I said above, I think space would have to be allocated to allow people to get behind it whereas that is on the cricket ground currently. I was told, and I'm sure by Fletcher, that building one with the turnstiles at either end now would not be permitted.
No inference that it wouldn't be safe, but that building regs wouldn't allow it now.Duffer_ wrote:The inference from what Fletch said is that it wouldn't be considered safe nowadays. If it aint safe to build now, does that make it safer if we do nothing? If we are agreed that now is the time, surely we do the best with with what we can. If that involves incentivising the cricket club, then great. If not, we have a duty to do the best we can. I haven't been in the Cricket Field Stand for probably 40 years and I wouldn't take my kids on there now...I feel sad about that.
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