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Post by bobinho » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 pm

West Yorkshire child sex abuse inquiry police arrest 44 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-48705621" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Has this become so ‘normal’ now that reporting this gets put on the back burner?

Or are there other reasons this doesn’t make it to the top of the page?
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:46 pm

"hidden away" :roll:

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:50 pm

Is it normal for child abuse gangs where the culprits are mainly of people of Asian descent to be in the news after finally getting caught?

Yeah, pretty much it is, bit like it's no longer a shock when there's a mass shooting in the US.

Its also no longer a shock when it comes out that social services and the police 'missed' an opportunity to put a stop to whichever gang much earlier but didn't for whatever reason it happens to be, usually because they don't want the aggro.
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Post by Claret1205 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:53 pm

If it’s been reported on the BBC how is it hidden away?

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:55 pm

Also at a loss as to what the OP is suggesting. The story had obviously not been put on the ‘back burner’ or ‘hidden away’.

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Post by bobinho » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:04 pm

Has it been on mainstream media?

Surely this is too big to `stumble` across whilst surfing the net?

BBC aren't really known for dealing well with this sort of thing tho...

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:05 pm

I think the OP is suggesting that the BBC are hiding it on their West Yorkshire regional page, and that it didn’t even reach the top of that page despite 44 arrested (it didn’t, a man delaying trains did).

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:15 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I think the OP is suggesting that the BBC are hiding it on their West Yorkshire regional page, and that it didn’t even reach the top of that page despite 44 arrested (it didn’t, a man delaying trains did).
Did it? Or did the man delaying the train happen more recently than the arrest of 44 people? The BBC West Yorkshire page seems to display news items chronologically.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:18 pm

44 people being arrested (the start of the process to bringing them to justice) is good news, isn’t it?

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Post by bobinho » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Did it? Or did the man delaying the train happen more recently than the arrest of 44 people? The BBC West Yorkshire page seems to display news items chronologically.
That it does, but you still have to go searching for it. BBC regional? Really?

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Post by Erasmus » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:49 pm

Why are you particularly concerned about this issue, Bobinho? And what do you think should be done about it?
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:56 pm

Erasmus wrote:Why are you particularly concerned about this issue, Bobinho? And what do you think should be done about it?
the inference being you are unconcerned about it erasmus ?
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Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:20 pm

It certainly is no longer hidden away as it was one of the headline stories yesterday on Skynews, Channel 4 news, BBC and ITV after West Yorks Police did a media release.Investigations of this nature have historically taken years to get to court as there has to be sufficient good, strong evidence to convince DPP to proceed with the judicial process.

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:23 pm

They also like to be convinced that the witnesses will be able to withstand cross-examination by the ‘defence’.

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Is it normal for child abuse gangs where the culprits are mainly of people of Asian descent to be in the news after finally getting caught?

Yeah, pretty much it is, bit like it's no longer a shock when there's a mass shooting in the US.

Its also no longer a shock when it comes out that social services and the police 'missed' an opportunity to put a stop to whichever gang much earlier but didn't for whatever reason it happens to be, usually because they don't want the aggro.

What does their "descent" have to do with anything? You don't have to be of a certain racial or religious type to commit a certain crime.

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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:21 pm

the veiled agenda of the op is indicative of the zeitgeist of england today.

we all know that child abuse is sickening but nowhere is the welfare of victims mentioned.

no, it's all paki-bashing in burnley. hail.
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Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:29 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:What does their "descent" have to do with anything? You don't have to be of a certain racial or religious type to commit a certain crime.
Keep burying that head of yours...
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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:34 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Keep burying that head of yours...
so you honestly believe there is parity between race and crime?

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Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:35 pm

yTib wrote:so you honestly believe there is parity between race and crime?
I believe that these grooming gangs are predominantly of a certain race.
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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:39 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:I believe that these grooming gangs are predominantly of a certain race.
and that suits your agenda.

the most prolific beasts that this country has ever produced are predominantly white. just look at the wests.

no, it just suits the modern agenda of hating 'foreigners' to fixate on one, albeit valid, problem.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 pm

yTib wrote:and that suits your agenda.

the most prolific beasts that this country has ever produced are predominantly white. just look at the wests.

no, it just suits the modern agenda of hating 'foreigners' to fixate on one, albeit valid, problem.
Why does he have an agenda?

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Post by aggi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:48 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:I believe that these grooming gangs are predominantly of a certain race.
That may be true if you take a very specific definition (which some of the research, often discredited, has done).

In reality though you look at stuff like Barry Bennell, etc and it happens with all races.

Sadly a lot of them, whatever race they are, have got away with it for far too long. The trouble isn't not believing people because they're accusing a certain race, it's not believing them because they're accusing adults.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:51 pm

Culturally, religiously and sexually absolute dodge pots.

I see that the sandal wearing illuminati on here are already throwing their milkshakes.
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:54 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I think the OP is suggesting that the BBC are hiding it on their West Yorkshire regional page, and that it didn’t even reach the top of that page despite 44 arrested (it didn’t, a man delaying trains did).
At least it got actually published. A UK tribunal concluded this week that China is killing prisoners to harvest their organs for transplant and that didn't even get a mention in the China section of the Asia section of the World News section of BBC News.

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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:54 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Culturally, religiously and sexually absolute dodge pots.

I see that the sandal wearing illuminati on here are already throwing their milkshakes.
yeah, did harold shipman fit those criteria.

it's easy to characterise those who disagree with you as radical but it just avoids reasonable debate.

something this forum is lacking recently.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:55 pm

yTib wrote:yeah, did harold shipman fit those criteria.

it's easy to characterise those who disagree with you as radical but it just avoids reasonable debate.

something this forum is lacking recently.
He did have a beard.

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Post by CombatClaret » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:57 pm

Can we just make a thread where the dozen or so posters can debate the other dozen or so posters in one place without a thread for every piece of dry tinder?
I like to weigh in myself at times but the way it shifts to every 'debate of the day' is tiring.

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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:57 pm

alas, i sport one these days.

i just can't be arsed to shave.

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Post by yTib » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:59 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Can we just make a thread where the dozen or so posters can debate the other dozen or so posters in one place without a thread for every piece of dry tinder?
I like to weigh in myself at times but the way it shifts to every 'debate of the day' is tiring.
i kind of know what you're saying but nobody is forcing you to read these threads.

if i actually find it tiring you must live a very decadent lifestyle. i'm jealous.

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Post by yTib » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:00 am

ha ha maggie thatcher.

hitler will be up next.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:07 am

Shame the blatant racist post has been removed as it showed up the poster for what they are. It’s becoming pretty rife on this board worryingly, and if you call it out you’re a sandal wearer.
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Post by yTib » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:08 am

yeah mods keep the racist posts so we can all see.
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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:18 am

Rileybobs wrote:Shame the blatant racist post has been removed as it showed up the poster for what they are. It’s becoming pretty rife on this board worryingly, and if you call it out you’re a sandal wearer.

Seriously, you see many 'blatant racist' posts on here?

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Post by yTib » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:20 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Seriously, you see many 'blatant racist' posts on here?
i see them on a daily basis.

sometimes overt but mainly the cowardly sort where the person doesn't even have the balls to admit he's a ghoul.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:23 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Seriously, you see many 'blatant racist' posts on here?
Yes, plenty. Pretty much every time there is thread like this. I’m surprised you haven’t seen them yourself.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:29 am

Rileybobs wrote:Yes, plenty. Pretty much every time there is thread like this. I’m surprised you haven’t seen them yourself.
I (and it seems the moderating team) must have a different definition of the word racist to what you have.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:40 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I (and it seems the moderating team) must have a different definition of the word racist to what you have.
I’m pretty sure the moderating team generally only delete posts if somebody has reported them which seems to have happened on this thread.

That said, I know which posters to look out for and their racism is blatant - although usually presented in a cowardly fashion. Whether an isolated post from these posters would be deemed worthy of being deleted by the moderators isn’t really of concern to me. I’d rather the posts remain in any case to show these people up to the decent people who use this forum.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:46 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I (and it seems the moderating team) must have a different definition of the word racist to what you have.
This is the Oxford Dictionary definition of the word racist;

A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

If you or the moderators have a different definition then that’s not really my problem. But if you don’t see discrimination or prejudice against people of other races regularly on this message board then I think you’re either not reading threads or not not seeing what you don’t want to see.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:48 am

Rileybobs wrote:This is the Oxford Dictionary definition of the word racist;

A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

If you or the moderators have a different definition then that’s not really my problem. But if you don’t see discrimination or prejudice against people of other races regularly on this message board then I think you’re either not reading threads or not not seeing what you don’t want to see.
Or maybe they don't see the asteroid crater because they're standing in the asteroid crater.

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Post by CombatClaret » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:49 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I (and it seems the moderating team) must have a different definition of the word racist to what you have.
A lot of the racist material on this forum is done via inference and innuendo so is somewhat unpoliceable without taking a side.

I reported the post on this thread as it was out and out racial hatred. While on one hand letting others see the opinions of the poster will allow them come to some kind of opinion of their character, to let it to remain could also embolden others to believe that this is a place where similar statements can be posted freely with impunity.
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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:51 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Or maybe they don't see the asteroid crater because they're standing in the asteroid crater.
Yes, there is also that.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:55 am

CombatClaret wrote:A lot of the racist material on this forum is done via inference and innuendo so is somewhat unpoliceable without taking a side.

I reported the post on this thread as it was out and out racial hatred. While on one hand letting others see the opinions of the poster will allow them come to some kind of opinion of their character, to let it to remain could also embolden others to believe that this is a place where similar statements can be posted freely with impunity.
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... e#p1030652" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This being a perfect example of a racist post that gets tolerated because it's not explicit, even though all of us know he's implying that if London was less diverse (read: more white) there'd be less crime.
He managed to make a white supremacist post without it getting removed because he wasn't explicit with his white supremacy.

Edit: Tim liked my post before i included the link, the rascal.

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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:59 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:What does their "descent" have to do with anything? You don't have to be of a certain racial or religious type to commit a certain crime.

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Post by Spiral » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:01 am

Test post: F.UCKIN' MUZZERS (end of test)

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... e#p1030652

This being a perfect example of a racist post that gets tolerated because it's not explicit, even though all of us know he's implying that if London was less diverse (read: more white) there'd be less crime.
He managed to make a white supremacist post without it getting removed because he wasn't explicit with his white supremacy.

Edit: Tim liked my post before i included the link, the rascal.
:D

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:03 am

A forum awash with racists. Looks like I need spectacles then.

Goodnight

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:07 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:A forum awash with racists. Looks like I need spectacles then.

Goodnight
Specsavers .

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:08 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:A forum awash with racists. Looks like I need spectacles then.

Goodnight
Hard to take your post seriously so soon after one of the board’s resident racists has logged on to pass comment. Keep pretending that it doesn’t exist if it makes you sleep better though.

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Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:09 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:A forum awash with racists. Looks like I need spectacles then.

Goodnight
You should probably try a mirror.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:51 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:What does their "descent" have to do with anything? You don't have to be of a certain racial or religious type to commit a certain crime.
Quite a lot actually, not that you'll really be that interested because if you were you'd already understand.

I've commented on this stuff before on here and most people don't quite seem to understand what I'm saying so it's easier for me to **** into the wind then it is to discuss it but let's have another go.

To give you a helping hand go and read about child abuse in Pakistan and India, the amount of it in that part of the world is horrific and it's been ignored for years because the men are usually in charge and don't really care enough to stop it, or they're taking part in it themselves.
The way that people of a certain descent do it over here means its is a cultural trait from over there.
They do it in groups within their own community, with their friends, cousins, brothers, dad's and uncles, it's almost like a social activity.
I also believe their religion plays a part in the issue.
The same section of society also refuse to face up to the issue as a general rule of thumb and blame the white girls over how they dress, how easy they're perceived to be etc.

Yeah we've got white child abusers in this country, but it's not done in partnership with their close mates and relatives.
Barry Bennall didn't knock on at his mates/cousins/uncles/dads/sons house down the road.....

The gangs being caught these last number of years could give the Christian/Catholic church a good run for its money in regards to numbers of child abuse I reckon over a similar time scale.

Oh and just to be clear, because I know some like to muddy the waters or get confused or get giddy and call me racist, I'm not saying child abusers are from one section of society or a particular skin colour or followers of a certain religion, I'm saying the way it's done like this is usually by one section of society.
White blokes tend to operate differently.
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