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Ben Gibson

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:11 am

Apparently told he can leave.We are after £15m.
A strange decision but then Jimmy Dunne and Kev Long seems a good backups to Tarks and Ben Mee and its always necessary to balance the books

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Lord_Bob » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:35 am

Ben Gibson, the best player never to play for Burnley.

The weird logic here (if this is true, and I can believe it) is that no one else wants Ben Mee, as he found out last summer. Ben Gibson? Sure, lots of teams will take him. Future England player, but can't get a game at t'Turf. Strange isn't it?

Take the money, reduce the quality in the squad (Kevin Long, Jimmy Dunne vs Gibson???) and hope Ben doesn't get injured. Dry powder in tact.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by taio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:19 am

I don't believe the club will sell Gibson. At least I hope they don't because it would be stupid.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by aggi » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:30 am

If we sold him we'd have to sign a replacement, otherwise we'd just be a Mee injury away from serious problems, so I'm not sure how worth it it would be.

I'd have liked to have seen us in for Matt Clarke if we had any plans of letting Gibson go but obviously that's too late.

On the flipside, if we do get that Mee injury and Gibson is still here then there's no guarantee that Mee would be first choice again.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:16 am

With Tarks off to Wolves and Ben Gibson surplus to requirements Sean Dyche might even get a game himself. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:54 am

kentonclaret wrote:With Tarks off to Wolves and Ben Gibson surplus to requirements Sean Dyche might even get a game himself. :lol: :lol:
Considering SD is off to Newcastle I doubt that! ;)

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Firthy » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:59 am

I read a rumour that Gibson ia happy to stay at Burnley and fight for his place. A couple of days later a rumour starts saying he can leave. I think the media just make up rumours to suit their narrative. 99% of the runours I've read are old ones regurgitated. The only rumour I think has any basis at present is that Hart can leave on a free and that's possibly because it suits my narrative :)

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:21 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Apparently told he can leave.We are after £15m.
A strange decision but then Jimmy Dunne and Kev Long seems a good backups to Tarks and Ben Mee and its always necessary to balance the books
And who has given you that information?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:22 am

Who’s going to spend £15m on a player who hasn’t played in 12 months after an injury? Get him fit ready for when we sell Tarkowski and have the next one ready on the production line.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:And who has given you that information?

Cut woodley some slack, it is the transfer window he is allowed to make things up. He has good form for getting himself in a state every transfer window

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:And who has given you that information?
BBC Sport Gossip Page

Burnley have told defender Ben Gibson that he can leave the club this summer. Premier League newcomers Aston Villa and Sheffield United are among a group of clubs interested in a £15m move for the 26-year-old Englishman. (Teamtalk)
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 am

ClaretTony wrote:And who has given you that information?
It’s in the gossip / rumours columns - you know those very same columns who reported yesterday that he was happy to stay and fight for his place !
These people literally make stuff up - why anyone gives them an ounce of credibility I haven’t got a clue.

It’s no different to writing a story that says Gibson could be staying or he could be going !

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:35 am

Thank heavens this message board has no interest in transfer gossip. :lol:

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Rick_Muller » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:42 am

It's TEAMTalk...

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:46 am

Another click bait website that people are naive enough to believe.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:47 am

TVC15 wrote:It’s in the gossip / rumours columns - you know those very same columns who reported yesterday that he was happy to stay and fight for his place !
These people literally make stuff up - why anyone gives them an ounce of credibility I haven’t got a clue.

It’s no different to writing a story that says Gibson could be staying or he could be going !
Spot on. I posted on the rumour thread yesterday that the transfer speculation stuff has been ruined by all these click bait websites that sadly now include what used to be reputable local newspapers.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:30 am

Yes, this just undermines our rumour thread!

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:35 am

I’d believe this rumour were it not for the fact that I reckon it’s a large steaming pile of pimply sh!t.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:49 am

True or not. I think its pretty clear he was brought in as we expected Mee to be off or at least not sign his deal.

We rarely sign top quality backup just in case. Not to mention at 15m.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:02 am

ClaretTony wrote:Spot on. I posted on the rumour thread yesterday that the transfer speculation stuff has been ruined by all these click bait websites that sadly now include what used to be reputable local newspapers.
Alan Nixon knows more than Chris Boden

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:08 am

Spijed wrote:Alan Nixon knows more than Chris Boden
Does he?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:09 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:True or not. I think its pretty clear he was brought in as we expected Mee to be off or at least not sign his deal.

We rarely sign top quality backup just in case. Not to mention at 15m.
Not so sure on your theory CC
We bought Vydra, Taylor,, Lennon, Westwood and even Tarks - all has quality back up. We had players in the team in front of these guys.
Vydra and Gibson’s prices were higher yes but that’s more because of the market.

I think one of the reasons we bought Gibson was probably because players of his quality don’t become available at his price very often - I remember them talking about a valuation of £25m plus when he broke into the England squad a year or 2 before.

I’m guessing there is rarely a single reason we buy a player and it often covers a range of scenarios - in this case possibly Mee leaving but also Tarks being sold, injuries, suspensions, playing 3 at the back, cover for left back or even midfield etc. At the end of the day he was signing a good player and I can’t recall any fans thinking this was anything else but a good signing at a good price at the time.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 am

Tarks probably to Leicester as Maguire is off to City today for medical....
If he does hopefully we make sure his price is right (plus room in the car park for 2 more cars when the G-Wagen goes :D)

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:21 am

Spijed wrote:Alan Nixon knows more than Chris Boden
Chris Boden likes to think he's in the know but it's been proved in the past he knows the square root of sod all!

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:25 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:True or not. I think its pretty clear he was brought in as we expected Mee to be off or at least not sign his deal.

We rarely sign top quality backup just in case. Not to mention at 15m.
Mee was never going anywhere and his new contract was actually done before Gibson signed although it was announced the day after.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by MACCA » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:43 am

ClaretTony wrote:Mee was never going anywhere and his new contract was actually done before Gibson signed although it was announced the day after.

Is that to make sure we got Gibson in first?

Maybe the Mee contract scenario was used to help get Gibson in. He may have thought he had a stronger chance of regular premier league football with Mee's contract situation ( as reported in the media ) "up in the air"

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:45 am

Bosscat wrote:Tarks probably to Leicester as Maguire is off to City today for medical....
If he does hopefully we make sure his price is right (plus room in the car park for 2 more cars when the G-Wagen goes :D)
Tarks is better than Leicester ....a lot better,I'm sure he is worth a punt by one of the top six and hes a better defender than Maguire.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:11 am

Steve1956 wrote:Tarks is better than Leicester ....a lot better,I'm sure he is worth a punt by one of the top six.
City / Liverpool - Tarks nowhere near good enough
Spurs - nowhere near as good as 2 main centre backs and they have £40m Sanchez as cover and the young Argentinian lad too.
Chelsea - Tarks possibly at the level of Zouma - who is their 4th choice and about to be sold to Everton.
Arsenal - possible the only one of the top 6 I think Tarks could challenge for a place
United - they are rubbish I accept but they are shopping in a different market for CBs than the likes of Tarks.

Leicester are top 7 or 8 and I think with potential problems at the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and United in the next couple of years the likes of Leicester and Everton have a realistic chance of getting in the top 6.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:15 am

Steve1956 wrote:Tarks is better than Leicester ....a lot better,I'm sure he is worth a punt by one of the top six and hes a better defender than Maguire.
Give over. Anyway I think Leicester could be pushing the likes of United and Arsenal next year.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:25 am

MACCA wrote:Is that to make sure we got Gibson in first?

Maybe the Mee contract scenario was used to help get Gibson in. He may have thought he had a stronger chance of regular premier league football with Mee's contract situation ( as reported in the media ) "up in the air"
Absolutely not

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:36 am

I refuse to believe that Gibson was ambitious enough to leave Boro, where he was captain and no doubt earning a good wage to be happy to come and sit on our bench for a year.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:40 am

There is a shock

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Goobs » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:44 am

jrgbfc wrote:I refuse to believe that Gibson was ambitious enough to leave Boro, where he was captain and no doubt earning a good wage to be happy to come and sit on our bench for a year.
Maybe he was confident enough in his own abilities to think he could break into the team? Maybe Dyche was planning on a back three (We tried it once)? Maybe his injuries restricted his chances and when he was fully ready the form had taken an uplift and therefore he was not getting in unless there was an injury or suspension?

It's impossible to say why he came here as an outsider to what goes on in the contract talks but one thing our players say is that they find it frustrating when they are not playing and so make damn sure they take their chances when they come along (which usually sees them retain the shirt). See Heaton and Taylor and probably others that have said as much previously.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by JohnMcGreal » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:01 pm

I can't think of any reason why Gibson wouldn't want to move on.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by spadesclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:15 pm

Is he coming to Norwich?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:17 pm

I doubt we’d be looking to help out relegation rivals if I’m honest.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:30 pm

is there actually any truth in this?

I can't see us being happy with both him and tarks leaving

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:34 pm

TVC15 wrote:City / Liverpool - Tarks nowhere near good enough
Spurs - nowhere near as good as 2 main centre backs and they have £40m Sanchez as cover and the young Argentinian lad too.
Chelsea - Tarks possibly at the level of Zouma - who is their 4th choice and about to be sold to Everton.
Arsenal - possible the only one of the top 6 I think Tarks could challenge for a place
United - they are rubbish I accept but they are shopping in a different market for CBs than the likes of Tarks.

Leicester are top 7 or 8 and I think with potential problems at the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and United in the next couple of years the likes of Leicester and Everton have a realistic chance of getting in the top 6.
In your opinion.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Socrates » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:36 pm

Some wild, wild overrating of Tarkowski going on.

Some of the fees i’ve heard .... talk of top 6 clubs .... mental.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:40 pm

Socrates wrote:Some wild, wild overrating of Tarkowski going on.

Some of the fees i’ve heard .... talk of top 6 clubs .... mental.
VVD played for Celtic the top six all overlooked him till Liverpool took a punt,best central defender in the world right now,not saying Tarkowski is anyway hear VVD but if you don't take a risk you don't prosper, Tarkowski is easily as good as Maguire,and people are quoting 80 million for him.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by MACCA » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Absolutely not
Fair enough.

This whole Gibson saga is starting to seem a little strange.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:47 pm

Steve1956 wrote:In your opinion.
Yep in my opinion and also more importantly in the opinion of the top 6 clubs.
Why would you think Tarks Is a “lot better” than Leicester ? I realise it’s just your opinion but surely it needs to be based on some evidence.
Tarks had a pretty up and down season last year...Ben Mee played better than Tarks after Christmas and there were many centre backs in the division who had a better season than Tarks.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:48 pm

Socrates wrote:Some wild, wild overrating of Tarkowski going on.

Some of the fees i’ve heard .... talk of top 6 clubs .... mental.
So you think the Man u centre halves, such as Jones or Smalling are better?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Steve1956 wrote:VVD played for Celtic the top six all overlooked him till Liverpool took a punt,best central defender in the world right now,not saying Tarkowski is anyway hear VVD but if you don't take a risk you don't prosper, Tarkowski is easily as good as Maguire,and people are quoting 80 million for him.
Tarks the season before last, maybe

Tarks last season? Not a chance

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:50 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yep in my opinion and also more importantly in the opinion of the top 6 clubs.
Why would you think Tarks Is a “lot better” than Leicester ? I realise it’s just your opinion but surely it needs to be based on some evidence.
Tarks had a pretty up and down season last year...Ben Mee played better than Tarks after Christmas and there were many centre backs in the division who had a better season than Tarks.
In your opinion :lol:

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:53 pm

Spijed wrote:So you think the Man u centre halves, such as Jones or Smalling are better?
I'd say he's probably the equal of those 2. But Tarks is playing in a team that is set up to defend and always has plenty of bodies behind the ball. Also Tarkowski isn't playing for United under massive spotlight where every little mistake is highlighted. If you put Jones and Smalling in our team thwy would probably look outstanding.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Spijed wrote:So you think the Man u centre halves, such as Jones or Smalling are better?
Definitely not Jones but I would say Smalling possibly is. But the point about United is that none of their CBs are of the quality (or fitness in the case of a couple) for the richest club in the world.
They will be probably looking at a much higher calibre of player than Tarks - even if they get it wrong again. If United bought Michael Keane and Tarks they would be in a better position than they are now - but there snobbish entitled fans would be outraged and prefer them to spend £200m on 2 centre backs who have never played in the Premier League than buy players from Burnley.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:59 pm

Steve1956 wrote:In your opinion :lol:
Yep - you could use that as an argument for most things that aren’t 100% factual.
Look - in my opinion Ronnie Jepson was better than Lionel Messi
....just like you with you saying Tarks is a lot better than Leicester we are both going to struggle to find any evidence to back up our opinions.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:01 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yep - you could use that as an argument for most things that aren’t 100% factual.
Look - in my opinion Ronnie Jepson was better than Lionel Messi
....just like you with you saying Tarks is a lot better than Leicester we are both going to struggle to find any evidence to back up our opinions.
No worries,in my opinion Tarkowski is better than you think,opinion's will always differ, it's what makes football so interesting.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:07 pm

Steve1956 wrote:VVD played for Celtic the top six all overlooked him till Liverpool took a punt,best central defender in the world right now,not saying Tarkowski is anyway hear VVD but if you don't take a risk you don't prosper, Tarkowski is easily as good as Maguire,and people are quoting 80 million for him.
Liverpool stepped in after three excellent seasons at Southampton. Not quite such a punt.
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