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ARTICLE: We go into the 1950s

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:34 pm

League tables, results with scorers (for and against) and all the programme covers added for seasons 1950/51 to 1954/55.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:53 pm

Superb squad photo from '53/'54.

A fresh faced 16 years old Brian Miller front row right.
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:55 pm

Need to get shifting on the next few years. Getting the opposition goalscorers is the most time consuming.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm

Back Row left to right :- ?......?......Colin McDonald......Bobby Seith.......?
Second Row :- Harold Rudman......Jock Aird......Doug Winton......Bill Holden.......Des Thompson......Jimmy Adamson......Reg Attwell......Harold Mather........?
Third Row :- Billy Gray......Jimmy Mac......Tommy Cummings.......Billy Morris......Les Shannon........Brian Pilkington
Bottom Row:- Roy Stephenson.......Albert Cheesbrough........?........Brian Miller.

Anyone fill in the 5 remaining?

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Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:26 pm

Great work Tony but on my Mac I cannot access the Tables on the Table heading and the 49/50 and 50/51 are out of sequence.
But really pleased to see this and thanks for all the effort. Was something I missed with the otherwise upgraded website after CM

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:31 pm

mdd2 wrote:Great work Tony but on my Mac I cannot access the Tables on the Table heading and the 49/50 and 50/51 are out of sequence.
But really pleased to see this and thanks for all the effort. Was something I missed with the otherwise upgraded website after CM
Thanks for the sequence problem, will get that sorted. Not sure why you can’t see them on a Mac.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:43 pm

And done - now in the correct order

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Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:52 pm

Doug Newlands would have been on our books when that pic was taken but cannot recognise him and is that Alan Shackleton next to Mather?

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Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And done - now in the correct order
It is just the ones you have posted today the recent and immediate post war are fine

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:55 pm

mdd2 wrote:It is just the ones you have posted today the recent and immediate post war are fine

Not done them any differently so that’s weird

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Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not done them any differently so that’s weird
And of course the fixtures are fine. Maybe I should log off and on to see what happens

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:38 pm

League tables are missing for me from '50/'51 to '54/'55.

Shows as Error 404 if that helps.

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Post by claretfern » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:47 pm

Arthur Parrington between Cheeseborough & Miller.
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:51 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:League tables are missing for me from '50/'51 to '54/'55.

Shows as Error 404 if that helps.
Should be sorted now Roy - thanks for pointing it out

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Team pic btw is

Back Row: Waring, Binns, McDonald, Seith, Blackburn
3rd Row: Rudman, Aird, Winton, Holden, Thompson, Adamson, Attwell, Mather, Grainger
2nd Row: Gray, McIlroy, Cummings, Morris, Shannon, Pilkington
Front Row: Jones, Cheesebrough, Parrington, Miller
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:03 pm

What I’m finding as I move on is the more names I recognise on the list of goalscorers against us. Not many yet that I’ve seen play but the likes of Mortensen & Milburn, plus such as Finney. Noticed too in the last of those seasons a Man United goal scored by Duncan Edwards.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Team pic btw is

Back Row: Waring, Binns, McDonald, Seith, Blackburn
3rd Row: Rudman, Aird, Winton, Holden, Thompson, Adamson, Attwell, Mather, Grainger
2nd Row: Gray, McIlroy, Cummings, Morris, Shannon, Pilkington
Front Row: Jones, Cheesebrough, Parrington, Miller
3 or 4 unfamiliar names there, I guess must have been in the youths with Brian Miller at the time.

The strange one is Billy Morris who I have retiring in 1952.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:What I’m finding as I move on is the more names I recognise on the list of goalscorers against us. Not many yet that I’ve seen play but the likes of Mortensen & Milburn, plus such as Finney. Noticed too in the last of those seasons a Man United goal scored by Duncan Edwards.
Some remarkable names in the list of scorers against us including Ron Flowers whose grandson was here last season for a short period?

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Post by Bfc » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:17 pm

Here we go.
From Top
? Bins McDonald Seith
Cargill Aird Winton Holden Thompson Adamson Attwell Mather ?
Gray McIlroy Cummings Elliot Shannon Pilkington
? Cheesebrough ? Miller

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Post by Bfc » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 pm

Bins was Binns until predictive text changed it

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:20 pm

Bfc, see Tony's post#15.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:23 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Some remarkable names in the list of scorers against us including Ron Flowers whose grandson was here last season for a short period?
Off the top of my head I definitely saw Ron Flowers & Dennis Viollet play but I’m not sure I saw any of the other scorers although I’m recognising a lot of the names.

Did spot that both Tommy Lawton & Billy Elliott scored against us.

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Post by Bfc » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:23 pm

Stephenson bottom left

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:26 pm

Bfc wrote:Stephenson bottom left
The players on the pic are listed in post 15

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Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:54 pm

And I can get it all now. GREAT. Missed these since we moved over here!!!!

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:56 pm

mdd2 wrote:And I can get it all now. GREAT. Missed these since we moved over here!!!!
It was a problem at this end.

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Post by Bfc » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:02 pm

Royboyclaret, Tony's post wasn't showing when I had put together my list, which took a while and then posted it.
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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Off the top of my head I definitely saw Ron Flowers & Dennis Viollet play but I’m not sure I saw any of the other scorers although I’m recognising a lot of the names.

Did spot that both Tommy Lawton & Billy Elliott scored against us.
Tommy Lawton must have been in his mid-30's when he scored those two goals against us.

Also Sir Alf Ramsey in Sept'51.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:35 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Tommy Lawton must have been in his mid-30's when he scored those two goals against us.

Also Sir Alf Ramsey in Sept'51.
I looked it - he was a month short of 35 which was some age back then to be playing top flight football

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I looked it - he was a month short of 35 which was some age back then to be playing top flight football
What a player Lawton must have been. Hardly got started for us before the top clubs were asking Burnley to name their price. Sold on New Years Day 1937 to Everton for £6,500 which was a massive fee at the time. Also scored in each of his first 6 internationals for England.

Why am I thinking Dwight McNeil?

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:08 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:What a player Lawton must have been. Hardly got started for us before the top clubs were asking Burnley to name their price. Sold on New Years Day 1937 to Everton for £6,500 which was a massive fee at the time. Also scored in each of his first 6 internationals for England.

Why am I thinking Dwight McNeil?
My dad always talked about Tommy Lawton

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Post by duncandisorderly » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:45 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:What a player Lawton must have been. Hardly got started for us before the top clubs were asking Burnley to name their price. Sold on New Years Day 1937 to Everton for £6,500 which was a massive fee at the time. Also scored in each of his first 6 internationals for England.

Why am I thinking Dwight McNeil?
I know football finances don't marry with inflation but £6500 then would be almost £450,000 now.
http://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflati ... mount=6500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I like to think that, in a make believe world where television didn't exist, £450,000 would still be a lot, rather than £4,500,000 or £45,000,000 becoming the norm. I'm not even that old either, but if everything had a zero less I think the game would make much more sense.

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Post by Cubanclaret » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 pm

Just been poring over the league tables of the post war decade. Didn’t realise how strong Portsmouth were over that period, and very little sight of Blackburn in the first division.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Just been poring over the league tables of the post war decade. Didn’t realise how strong Portsmouth were over that period, and very little sight of Blackburn in the first division.
Portsmouth had long gone by the time I started watching Burnley but they’d been a very good side in the early post war years.

When you look at the current Premier League, clubs such as Bournemouth, Brighton, Crystal Palace, Norwich, Southampton & Watford were nowhere to be seen.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:13 pm

Just finished a good peruse of 46/47. A few thoughts.
Some of the attendances are unreal in those post war years and in Div2.
The Charlton FACup Final on 26th April with 7 league games to come.
Final league game 7th June.
The neutral venues for semis were Ewood with replay at Maine Rd.
Chesterfield 4th. What would they give for that now.

Cheers for all your hard work, CT.

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Post by JohnDearyMe » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:41 pm

When did Jimmy Greaves make his first appearance against us?

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:49 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:When did Jimmy Greaves make his first appearance against us?
I would think 1957/58 - scored against us in that season
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Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I would think 1957/58 - scored against us in that season
Was that the day Chelsea put six past us?........How many did Greaves score?

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:15 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Was that the day Chelsea put six past us?........How many did Greaves score?
Not reached that season yet so have no details

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Post by mdd2 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:57 am

September21st 57 Nicholas scored two Greaves 1, Tindall Brock and Brabrook the other 3 with Albert Cheeseborough getting our goal
We won in early 58 (Feb 1st) 2-1 with goals from Jimmy Mac and Pilky Les Allen netting for them
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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:35 am

mdd2 wrote:September21st 57 Nicholas scored two Greaves 1, Tindall Brock and Brabrook the other 3 with Albert Cheeseborough getting our goal
We won in early 58 (Feb 1st) 2-1 with goals from Jimmy Mac and Pilky Les Allen netting for them
leave it to you boys to sort out the goalscorers then

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Post by mdd2 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 am

ClaretTony wrote:leave it to you boys to sort out the goalscorers then
Happy to help if I fall over any. They are sometimes posted on 11v 11 along with the line ups, but times of goals not given

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:48 pm

mdd2 wrote:September21st 57 Nicholas scored two Greaves 1, Tindall Brock and Brabrook the other 3 with Albert Cheeseborough getting our goal
We won in early 58 (Feb 1st) 2-1 with goals from Jimmy Mac and Pilky Les Allen netting for them
Cheers for that mdd2.

Just for JohnDearyMe a bit more on Jimmy Greaves. He made his debut for Chelsea, as a 17 years old, one month prior to that Burnley game and ended that season as top scorer with 22 goals. So similar to our Willie Irvine in many respects in that it became almost inevitable he scored whenever he took to the pitch.

Incredibly in that first season his manager Ted Drake took him out of the side for six weeks from November in order to avoid the success going to his head!......Still he managed 22 goals in the limited games he played. A real one-off was Jimmy and a major thorn in our side on more than one occasion, none less than the Cup Final at Wembley in '62.

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Post by mdd2 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:52 pm

I think on most occasions when it was a first for him he scored. First appearance for his clubs and England, first FA Cup game, first FA Cup final
No idea whether he achieved goals in all those firsts but definitely in an FA Cup final :( :cry: :cry:

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