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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:09 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Well speaking from a pure musical point of view, a distinct lack of harmony or melodic lines, just a bloke rapping over a beat made in about 5 minutes on a Roland drum machine, often making up words to 'rhyme'.

OK Stormzy may have some valid criticisms of the regime, however his new figure of some sort of voice of all things righteous seems a bit bizarre seeing how a lot of his lyrics contain lines that promote violence & other degenerative things - see this link https://genius.com/Stormzy-mr-skeng-lyrics for an example


Well a couple of hundred thousand people seemed to be enjoying Stormzy last night and I’m sure a few million others did on TV. So whereas you’re perfectly entitled to think that he, and grime music in general is wank - that doesn’t make it categorically so. I’ve no doubt that some Stormzy fans will think that your music taste is wank.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:12 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Basically even if you don't particularly like some types of music, you can appreciate either the technical mastery or complexity behind it... Not with some shite though


Grime music isn’t my cup of tea and I’m not a big fan of Stormzy - but I enjoyed his performance last night. I was able to appreciate some elements of his beats and vocals and it goes without saying that his stage presence was very good. Like I mentioned above, I caught a bit of George Ezra beforehand who had looked like he couldn’t own a cat.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Well a couple of hundred thousand people seemed to be enjoying Stormzy last night and I’m sure a few million others did on TV. So whereas you’re perfectly entitled to think that he, and grime music in general is wank - that doesn’t make it categorically so. I’ve no doubt that some Stormzy fans will think that your music taste is wank.


Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:30 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?


Why do we need to give up? The good thing about music is there is a lot of it, so there’s something for everyone to like. If you don’t like Stormzy that’s fine. I listened to his album a few months ago, because I’m open minded to all genres of music, and it wasn’t really my cup of tea. So I didn’t listen to it again.

Nobody is saying that he is the next Bowie but his music is enjoyed by a lot of people.

I got into music in the early/mid 90’s - you could dissect Oasis lyrics and criticise their musical limitations but the fact is they made music that millions of people enjoyed. On the flip side m, jazz music is extremely complex and played by highly skilled musicians, but it is a very acquired taste enjoyed by a much smaller minority.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby claret2018 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:31 pm

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Texanclaret16 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:54 pm

My evening sorted Lewis Capaldi at 4 then some tea followed by the shires at 6:30 while drinking some rum and and I won’t care who’s on after that

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby ElectroClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Texanclaret16 wrote:....and I won’t care who’s on after that


Liam on BBC4 at 9.00
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby icu81b4 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:22 pm

Walton wrote:Saw Tame Impala the other night in Blackpool, and I'll definitely be watching their set this weekend.
IMG_20190624_221022.jpg


Where in Blackpool? The Waterloo?

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:49 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?


It's no worse than some of the stuff people consider to be 'classic' hip hop tbh.

I've never seen that fascination with some of that stuff, but there we go.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby groove » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:57 pm

icu81b4 wrote:Where in Blackpool? The Waterloo?

Winter gardens

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby ZizkovClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:26 pm

Fence's finest on keys for Liam G ;)

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:41 pm

claret2018 wrote:This thread

:lol: Steve1956 middle right.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:18 pm

They’re re-running Janet Jackson’s set. When the microphone completely covers her mouth it almost looks like she’s singing. What’s with the awful sound quality too?

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:33 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Well speaking from a pure musical point of view, a distinct lack of harmony or melodic lines, just a bloke rapping over a beat made in about 5 minutes on a Roland drum machine, often making up words to 'rhyme'.

OK Stormzy may have some valid criticisms of the regime, however his new figure of some sort of voice of all things righteous seems a bit bizarre seeing how a lot of his lyrics contain lines that promote violence & other degenerative things - see this link https://genius.com/Stormzy-mr-skeng-lyrics for an example


Ok, speaking from a purely musical point of view. I'm a professional session musician but I have to admit that I'd never heard of Stormzy before last night, let's just say I move in very different circles.
There was some very sophisticated stuff going on there, fantastic drummer, bass and guitarist. I thought the whole set was incredibly professional and hugely entertaining.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:08 pm

dougcollins wrote:There was some very sophisticated stuff going on there, fantastic drummer, bass and guitarist.


Ah you mean the stuff that some pros have added in after into his tunes?

Also I dunno about complex, seemed pretty bog standard generic guitar licks in my opinion

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:09 pm

You must be a good musician my friend.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:10 pm

tim_noone wrote::lol: Steve1956 middle right.

Thanks Tim Bob . ;)

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:13 pm

dougcollins wrote:You must be a good musician my friend.


Absolutely bang average sir but then again, I'm not on the Glastonbury mainstage, so I guess that's acceptable

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:15 pm

Actually I did once play at Glastonbury- it was 1978 and a very different animal to what it has become.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:16 pm

Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:17 pm

As much as I have no interest in Stormzy’s music he is a much more credible headliner than The Killers.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:17 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?


Another shite band

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:19 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Another shite band

Don't get me started buddy got ripped to shreds saying Stormzy was bobbins,don't think I could take another nights abuse :D

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:22 pm

Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't have minded seeing Fontaines DC or Tame Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:26 pm

At last someone decent .....LG

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:26 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Don't get me started buddy got ripped to shreds saying Stormzy was bobbins,don't think I could take another nights abuse :D


:D tbh mate, I think most that are playing are turd, which is pretty much the reason why I wouldn't go.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:31 pm

dougcollins wrote:Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't gave minded seeing Fontaines DC or Take Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.

When a Radio1 presenter today commented on stormzys act last night as of Biblical proportion..then this Guy must be good.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:33 pm

CoolClaret wrote::D tbh mate, I think most that are playing are turd, which is pretty much the reason why I wouldn't go.


With around 500 acts do you not think you'd be able to find something to keep you entertained? Unless you don't have any interest at all in current music then there really is something for everyone's taste.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Swizzlestick » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:34 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?


The latter.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Swizzlestick » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:35 pm

dougcollins wrote:Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't have minded seeing Fontaines DC or Tame Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.


Fair play, which Kylie track?

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:37 pm

As I said, I was really impressed by Stormzy.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:41 pm

Not trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
I'm not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:41 pm

dougcollins wrote:Bit trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
In not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.


Jason, is that you?
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:42 pm

Ha ha; if only.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Swizzlestick » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:43 pm

dougcollins wrote:Not trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
In not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.


Haha, no worries, I get that. She had a great run of singles mid/late 90’s or so.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Jason, is that you?

His user name gives him away its Dougie Collins,used to love watching him.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Beaconsfield Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:45 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?


Good grief, worse than I imagined, that is utter shoite

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Steve1956 wrote:His user name gives him away its Dougie Collins,used to love watching him.



Now we're talking, strange guy but a magical footballer. A genius.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:50 pm

I really think the time has come for Noel & Liam to kiss and make up,and let's see you perform together again.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:51 pm

dougcollins wrote:Now we're talking, strange guy but a magical footballer. A genius.

He would slot into our midfield seamlessly even today in the Premier league,loved watching DC play.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Longside4evr » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:54 pm

Horse fiddler flag at Gallagher's party let's it down

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:54 pm

I will tell you something swizzle. Robert Plant doesn't know my name but he calls me 'Burnley', how cool is that!
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:57 pm

It is definitely time for Liam and Noel to kiss and make up. Liam was actually fantastic tonight and looked to be enjoying himself massively, the atmosphere was great. The sheer euphoria of hearing “OASIS TICKETS GO ON SALE” would send this country alone absolutely crazy. To see the band back together, albeit with or without original members, McCarroll excluded for obvious reasons would be fantastic. The music they created through Noel’s song writing and Liam’s passion creates memories and reality for many many people, and to bring that back to Millions of people in a time when things continue to look down, well I think it would be incredible !
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:59 pm

dougcollins wrote:I will tell you something swizzle. Robert Plant doesn't know my name but he calls me 'Burnley', how cool is that!

Bob Comer?

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 pm

Back in the days of the generic replica shirt he accused me of being a Villa fan, so I soon put him right on that.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:22 pm

Is it me or is the sound really bobbins at Glastonbury,think even the Foo Fighters would struggle to make themselves heard here.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:28 pm

The engineers are probably putting out a great mix for the live crowd, but it must be so difficult to capture for a tv broadcast.

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby LawsCanalJump » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:32 pm

They really picked headliners to make an atmosphere
Boring .. ZZZZ

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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby scouseclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:You said he looked like Lukaku and sounded like Dizzee Rascal. Neither of which are true. It was just an ignorant comment to make.


I think he looks like Lukaku - other people do too. Sometimes I say that a white person looks like another white person, and you may agree or disagree, but because it happens to be two black people you imply I’m being racist?!

As for the act, you can give it a new name like “grime” or whatever, but to my “subjective” ear, he isn’t doing anything that Dizzee Rascall or any number of rap/hip hop acts weren’t doing 20 years or so ago.
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Re: Glastonbury 2019

Postby scouseclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:33 pm

By the way, he Killers are shite as well!
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