CoolClaret wrote:Well speaking from a pure musical point of view, a distinct lack of harmony or melodic lines, just a bloke rapping over a beat made in about 5 minutes on a Roland drum machine, often making up words to 'rhyme'.

OK Stormzy may have some valid criticisms of the regime, however his new figure of some sort of voice of all things righteous seems a bit bizarre seeing how a lot of his lyrics contain lines that promote violence & other degenerative things - see this link https://genius.com/Stormzy-mr-skeng-lyrics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for an example

Well a couple of hundred thousand people seemed to be enjoying Stormzy last night and I’m sure a few million others did on TV. So whereas you’re perfectly entitled to think that he, and grime music in general is **** - that doesn’t make it categorically so. I’ve no doubt that some Stormzy fans will think that your music taste is ****.

CoolClaret wrote:Basically even if you don't particularly like some types of music, you can appreciate either the technical mastery or complexity behind it... Not with some shite though

Grime music isn’t my cup of tea and I’m not a big fan of Stormzy - but I enjoyed his performance last night. I was able to appreciate some elements of his beats and vocals and it goes without saying that his stage presence was very good. Like I mentioned above, I caught a bit of George Ezra beforehand who had looked like he couldn’t own a cat.

Rileybobs wrote:Well a couple of hundred thousand people seemed to be enjoying Stormzy last night and I’m sure a few million others did on TV. So whereas you’re perfectly entitled to think that he, and grime music in general is **** - that doesn’t make it categorically so. I’ve no doubt that some Stormzy fans will think that your music taste is ****.

Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?

Why do we need to give up? The good thing about music is there is a lot of it, so there’s something for everyone to like. If you don’t like Stormzy that’s fine. I listened to his album a few months ago, because I’m open minded to all genres of music, and it wasn’t really my cup of tea. So I didn’t listen to it again.

Nobody is saying that he is the next Bowie but his music is enjoyed by a lot of people.

I got into music in the early/mid 90’s - you could dissect Oasis lyrics and criticise their musical limitations but the fact is they made music that millions of people enjoyed. On the flip side m, jazz music is extremely complex and played by highly skilled musicians, but it is a very acquired taste enjoyed by a much smaller minority.

This thread

My evening sorted Lewis Capaldi at 4 then some tea followed by the shires at 6:30 while drinking some rum and and I won’t care who’s on after that

Texanclaret16 wrote:....and I won’t care who’s on after that

Liam on BBC4 at 9.00

Walton wrote:Saw Tame Impala the other night in Blackpool, and I'll definitely be watching their set this weekend.

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Where in Blackpool? The Waterloo?

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?

It's no worse than some of the stuff people consider to be 'classic' hip hop tbh.

I've never seen that fascination with some of that stuff, but there we go.

icu81b4 wrote:Where in Blackpool? The Waterloo?

Winter gardens

Fence's finest on keys for Liam G

claret2018 wrote:This thread

Steve1956 middle right.

They’re re-running Janet Jackson’s set. When the microphone completely covers her mouth it almost looks like she’s singing. What’s with the awful sound quality too?

CoolClaret wrote:Well speaking from a pure musical point of view, a distinct lack of harmony or melodic lines, just a bloke rapping over a beat made in about 5 minutes on a Roland drum machine, often making up words to 'rhyme'.

OK Stormzy may have some valid criticisms of the regime, however his new figure of some sort of voice of all things righteous seems a bit bizarre seeing how a lot of his lyrics contain lines that promote violence & other degenerative things - see this link https://genius.com/Stormzy-mr-skeng-lyrics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for an example

Ok, speaking from a purely musical point of view. I'm a professional session musician but I have to admit that I'd never heard of Stormzy before last night, let's just say I move in very different circles.
There was some very sophisticated stuff going on there, fantastic drummer, bass and guitarist. I thought the whole set was incredibly professional and hugely entertaining.

dougcollins wrote: There was some very sophisticated stuff going on there, fantastic drummer, bass and guitarist.

Ah you mean the stuff that some pros have added in after into his tunes?

Also I dunno about complex, seemed pretty bog standard generic guitar licks in my opinion

You must be a good musician my friend.

tim_noone wrote: Steve1956 middle right.

Thanks Tim Bob .

dougcollins wrote:You must be a good musician my friend.

Absolutely bang average sir but then again, I'm not on the Glastonbury mainstage, so I guess that's acceptable

Actually I did once play at Glastonbury- it was 1978 and a very different animal to what it has become.

Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?

As much as I have no interest in Stormzy’s music he is a much more credible headliner than The Killers.

Steve1956 wrote:Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?

Another shite band

CoolClaret wrote:Another shite band

Don't get me started buddy got ripped to shreds saying Stormzy was bobbins,don't think I could take another nights abuse

Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't have minded seeing Fontaines DC or Tame Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.

At last someone decent .....LG

Steve1956 wrote:Don't get me started buddy got ripped to shreds saying Stormzy was bobbins,don't think I could take another nights abuse

tbh mate, I think most that are playing are turd, which is pretty much the reason why I wouldn't go.

dougcollins wrote:Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't gave minded seeing Fontaines DC or Take Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.

When a Radio1 presenter today commented on stormzys act last night as of Biblical proportion..then this Guy must be good.

CoolClaret wrote: tbh mate, I think most that are playing are turd, which is pretty much the reason why I wouldn't go.

With around 500 acts do you not think you'd be able to find something to keep you entertained? Unless you don't have any interest at all in current music then there really is something for everyone's taste.

Steve1956 wrote:Watching the Courteeners on BBC 4 .....poor sound, or are they just not very good?

The latter.

dougcollins wrote:Music is very subjective and everyone gets an opinion.
I do it for a living but my opinion is no more valid than yours.
It's all in the sales.
I would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Glastonbury now, but I suppose I wouldn't have minded seeing Fontaines DC or Tame Impalas.
I like Kylie, I played on one of her recordings.

Fair play, which Kylie track?

As I said, I was really impressed by Stormzy.

Not trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
I'm not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.

dougcollins wrote:Bit trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
In not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.

Jason, is that you?

Ha ha; if only.

dougcollins wrote:Not trying to be an arse or anything but Id rather not say.
In not famous or anything, god forbid, but I do like the anonymity in here.

Haha, no worries, I get that. She had a great run of singles mid/late 90’s or so.

Rileybobs wrote:Jason, is that you?

His user name gives him away its Dougie Collins,used to love watching him.

CoolClaret wrote:Really does show you the state of the nation then eh?

"It's like dem man woke up ****** again
If I buck these pricks again
I got goons and you got goons
But the difference is your **** pretends
And my niggas don't talk or rap
No, my niggas don't talk or clash
No, my niggas don't talk, they mash"

If that's popular then we may as well give up now then eh?

Good grief, worse than I imagined, that is utter shoite

Steve1956 wrote:His user name gives him away its Dougie Collins,used to love watching him.

Now we're talking, strange guy but a magical footballer. A genius.

I really think the time has come for Noel & Liam to kiss and make up,and let's see you perform together again.

dougcollins wrote:Now we're talking, strange guy but a magical footballer. A genius.

He would slot into our midfield seamlessly even today in the Premier league,loved watching DC play.

Horse fiddler flag at Gallagher's party let's it down

I will tell you something swizzle. Robert Plant doesn't know my name but he calls me 'Burnley', how cool is that!

It is definitely time for Liam and Noel to kiss and make up. Liam was actually fantastic tonight and looked to be enjoying himself massively, the atmosphere was great. The sheer euphoria of hearing “OASIS TICKETS GO ON SALE” would send this country alone absolutely crazy. To see the band back together, albeit with or without original members, McCarroll excluded for obvious reasons would be fantastic. The music they created through Noel’s song writing and Liam’s passion creates memories and reality for many many people, and to bring that back to Millions of people in a time when things continue to look down, well I think it would be incredible !

dougcollins wrote:I will tell you something swizzle. Robert Plant doesn't know my name but he calls me 'Burnley', how cool is that!

Bob Comer?

Back in the days of the generic replica shirt he accused me of being a Villa fan, so I soon put him right on that.

Is it me or is the sound really bobbins at Glastonbury,think even the Foo Fighters would struggle to make themselves heard here.

The engineers are probably putting out a great mix for the live crowd, but it must be so difficult to capture for a tv broadcast.

They really picked headliners to make an atmosphere
Boring .. ZZZZ

Rileybobs wrote:You said he looked like Lukaku and sounded like Dizzee Rascal. Neither of which are true. It was just an ignorant comment to make.

I think he looks like Lukaku - other people do too. Sometimes I say that a white person looks like another white person, and you may agree or disagree, but because it happens to be two black people you imply I’m being racist?!

As for the act, you can give it a new name like “grime” or whatever, but to my “subjective” ear, he isn’t doing anything that Dizzee Rascall or any number of rap/hip hop acts weren’t doing 20 years or so ago.

By the way, he Killers are shite as well!