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help with old photo

Post by Beehole67 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:31 pm

I've got this old picture from the 1960's, Think it maybe West Ham v Burnley FA cup 1964 but there is no details on the back. Can anyone help identify the player heading the ball. ? I'm thinking John Connelly? Thanks in Advance.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:34 pm

Definitely the right ground - the hair looks like John Connelly’s

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:41 pm

looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Dyched » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:47 pm

Elvis

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Marney&Mee » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:51 pm

Not sure about the goal scorer, but the guy 11 in from the right and 4 rows from the back is my dad’s twin brothers mothers sons best mate...
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:29 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
Is there also a Grizzly Bear top left middle at the back near a bloke stood near the lamp post .....

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:35 pm

Ken Brown in the middle, so West Ham, but are you sure it’s against us?
Don’t recognise either of the players in white and don't remember us with the solid claret cuffs on the shirt. I was very young back then though.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Rowls » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:51 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
Actually I think it's a centaur.

They were fairy common back in the 60s.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by claretblue » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:54 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
must be being played at Ewood! :?

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Masham Ale » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:27 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
and a giraffe
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Bfc » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:40 pm

I don't think it's a WHU v Burnley game. The second player in White doesn't resemble any our players.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:51 pm

It's a camel. Dromedary.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:54 pm

Doesnt look like Burnley

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:00 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Doesnt look like Burnley
Who's got a camel called Burnley?

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Re: help with old photo

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:45 pm

Tottenham Hotspur.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:46 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:looks like there's a horse watching the match over by the white wall
It looks like Rod Hull & Emu to me.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:49 pm

I'd go with Alan Mullery from Tottenham Hotspur.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:53 pm

Nonayforever wrote:I'd go with Alan Mullery from Tottenham Hotspur.
Spurs for me....

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:56 pm

where the highest visible fan is stood , just an inch to the left of the chimney, surely that's a tiger walking towards him

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Down_Rover » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:58 pm

Alan Gilzean?

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Re: help with old photo

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:02 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Alan Gilzean?
With a grand wig on if it is.....he has the features of peter Taylor..but to early.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by martin_p » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 pm

I think it’s West Ham v Liverpool
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:13 pm

Great action pic, but nothing to do with Burnley.

We did play at Upton Park in the 6th Round of the FA Cup in 1964 and lost 2-3. Our team was Blacklaw, Angus, Elder, O'Neil, Talbut, Miller, Morgan, Pointer, Lochhead, Harris, Connelly. Our scorers were Connelly & Pointer. 99% certain we played in Claret and Blue that day as in the Cup at that time the home team changed strip.

My guess would be the season is correct at 1963/64, but it's a league game between West Ham and Liverpool with the player heading the ball Alf Arrowsmith.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by martin_p » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:19 pm

Was just about to post, this is him.

https://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/257

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Re: help with old photo

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 pm

Cracking name.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:29 pm

dougcollins wrote:Cracking name.
A name right out of a Roy of the Rovers comic strip.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by South West Claret. » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:32 pm

Definitely West Ham and if it is Burnley then maybe Willie Irvine.

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Post by South West Claret. » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:36 pm

I remember that 64 FA Cup Quarter Final game at Upton Park, Johnny Byrne fouled Brian Miller for one of their goals the cheat.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:39 pm

Steve1956 wrote:A name right out of a Roy of the Rovers comic strip.
Think that was Roy Race wasn't it, for Melchester Rovers ? :D

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:43 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Think that was Roy Race wasn't it, for Melchester Rovers ? :D
:lol: Alf Arrowsmith would have been in one of Roy's teams at one time.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by dsr » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:30 pm

It's definitely not West Ham v Burnley. Burnley were 1-0 up at half-time before losing 3-2, and the West Ham goal on the link is at the same end as the goal shown here; but Connelly's goal is described as "Connelly snapped up a quick pass to whizz past three West Ham tackles ..." so not a header.

Though Burnley did play in white with dark shorts.

And the second half goal was scored by Pointer. So unless he dyed his hair for the occasion ... :D

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co. ... 1/285/0024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: help with old photo

Post by rob63 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:01 am

Rowls wrote:Actually I think it's a centaur.

They were fairy common back in the 60s.
A centaur forward?
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Re: help with old photo

Post by bobinho » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am

The player in white who is almost totally obscured looks a little like Arthur Bellamy to me.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by dsr » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:14 am

dsr wrote:It's definitely not West Ham v Burnley. Burnley were 1-0 up at half-time before losing 3-2, and the West Ham goal on the link is at the same end as the goal shown here; but Connelly's goal is described as "Connelly snapped up a quick pass to whizz past three West Ham tackles ..." so not a header.

Though Burnley did play in white with dark shorts.

And the second half goal was scored by Pointer. So unless he dyed his hair for the occasion ... :D

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co. ... 1/285/0024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Though come to think of it, that picture doesn't say it was a goal ...

Bellamy didn't play, though.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by timshorts » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:23 am

The horse looks a bit like dark warrior, one of the early winners of the Lincolnshire handicap, but I don't think it can be as west ham were only using donkeys in 63/4.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by harpers_perm » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:19 am

Next to the giraffe is that the Knight who had his arms and legs chopped off in Monty Pythons Holy Grail?

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Re: help with old photo

Post by martin_p » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:46 am

dsr wrote:Though come to think of it, that picture doesn't say it was a goal ...

Bellamy didn't play, though.
Yes he didn’t play, although mainly because it’s West Ham v Liverpool.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Hipper » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:57 am

Steve1956 wrote:A name right out of a Roy of the Rovers comic strip.
First club, Tintwistle Villa.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by clansman » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:27 am

I actually think that it West Ham v Leyton Orient in an earlier round of the cup.Orient just wore red socks for the replay which west ham won 3.0

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Beehole67 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:29 pm

Thanks for your help with this one, I'm pretty sure it's not Liverpool, so maybe the Orient one is a good call. :)

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Re: help with old photo

Post by martin_p » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:34 pm

Beehole67 wrote:Thanks for your help with this one, I'm pretty sure it's not Liverpool, so maybe the Orient one is a good call. :)
It absolutely is Liverpool and it is Alf Arrowsmith.

https://picclick.co.uk/West-Ham-v-Liver ... 06315.html
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Re: help with old photo

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:38 pm

I'd only seen the pic on my phone when I made the comment about the hair looking like Connelly but just seen it again and it doesn't look like him.

Note sure why Roy thought we'd have played in claret & blue. Occasionally home teams did change in the FA Cup (usually both teams would change if no agreement as per Burnley v Everton in 1962 and Burnley v Wrexham in 1974), but if the teams agreed then the home team would play in their home kit as was the case here.

Although it doesn't answer the OP's question, I have found a pic from that cup tie in 1964 at the Boleyn.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by clansman » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:43 pm

Fair enough Martin!! You have the evidence!
By the way it wasn’t a goal as West Ham won 1.0

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Re: help with old photo

Post by clansman » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:44 pm

Good photo Tony Brian O’Neil in picture?

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:46 pm

Tony, martin_p confirms the game and scorer in post#41.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:49 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Tony, martin_p confirms the game and scorer in post#41.
I'm aware, I stuck the picture up to show that we hadn't played in claret and blue.
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Re: help with old photo

Post by martin_p » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:52 pm

clansman wrote:Fair enough Martin!! You have the evidence!
By the way it wasn’t a goal as West Ham won 1.0
Yes, looks a goal all over in the picture. Either a good save from the keeper or it’s actually going wide.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'm aware, I stuck the picture up to show that we hadn't played in claret and blue.
Not sure why I thought we played in our home strip that day. I was there for the game and remember the disappointment of scoring twice and losing the game.

The first time I think I'd seen both sides change was some six years earlier in an FA Cup replay against Villa.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:03 pm

clansman wrote:Good photo Tony Brian O’Neil in picture?
Defo Brian O'Neil, clansman.

Waiting, as ever, to pounce on any mistake by their keeper.

What a player Brian was for us.

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Re: help with old photo

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:15 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Defo Brian O'Neil, clansman.

Waiting, as ever, to pounce on any mistake by their keeper.

What a player Brian was for us.
That’s the cheating Johnny Byrne with Adam Blacklaw In goal RBC.

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