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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:31 pm

We were told not to expect anything in Jan from the new recruitment sergeant but wait until summer - well I'm still waiting because at the moment we are not linked to anyone which is very worrying.
You can't expect the same 11 to go again for a 3 rd season at this level without some serious investment.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by TVC15 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:37 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:We were told not to expect anything in Jan from the new recruitment sergeant but wait until summer - well I'm still waiting because at the moment we are not linked to anyone which is very worrying.
You can't expect the same 11 to go again for a 3 rd season at this level without some serious investment.
It’s not the same 11 for the 3rd season though is it ?
Taylor
Westwood
McNeil
Heaton or Pope

And last time I checked it was still June and no sign of Jim White’s yellow tie

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by rob63 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:53 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:dodged a bullet in my view, he suffers terribly with piles according to a recent interview, probably sidelined for ages if we had him.
He would be if he sat on our bench in winter with those piles!
:lol:

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:00 am

ksrclaret wrote:How long have we been trying to sign this lad? 5 years?

And Watford go and get him for 5.5m :lol: :lol:

That is what's known in the industry as doing a Burnley
I guess he's a different player now to what he was 5yrs ago, which is why we're not interested now

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:04 am

TVC15 wrote:It’s not the same 11 for the 3rd season though is it ?
Taylor
Westwood
McNeil
Heaton or Pope

And last time I checked it was still June and no sign of Jim White’s yellow tie
More or less and only changed through injuries - no real competition for places as no matter how **** you play in again next week unless your name is vydra

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:37 am

Texanclaret16 wrote:
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So confirmed WBA accept 5.5 mill offer for Dawson. Means we will not be getting him I see that as a plus.
Survived a bullet there

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:44 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:We were told not to expect anything in Jan from the new recruitment sergeant but wait until summer - well I'm still waiting because at the moment we are not linked to anyone which is very worrying.
You can't expect the same 11 to go again for a 3 rd season at this level without some serious investment.
I like the fact we’ve not been linked, it might mean our recruitment dept might be doing a professional job going about their business without the whole world knowing. Positive news.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:06 am

Has there been a transfer window yet where boysies bottom lip hasn’t trembled the whole way through it ?
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:11 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Has there been a transfer window yet where boysies bottom lip hasn’t trembled the whole way through it ?
No. And it doesn’t even stop when the window shuts.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:37 am

Ha

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:22 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:More or less and only changed through injuries - no real competition for places as no matter how **** you play in again next week unless your name is vydra
More or less ?
That’s 40% of the team changed - not to mention the fact the rotation (or dropping) of Lowts / Bardsley ; Vokes with Wood / Barnes ; Lennon / Hendrick / JBG / Brady.

It’s only because we had a strong squad and Dyche bought in a number of good players who he knew he could compete for places that we have been able to do this.
Our bench / squad has gradually got stronger and stronger each season...with most weeks now we have a number of international plays on the bench every week.

Of course it’s always good to improve and sign new players but to say we have got had virtually the same eleven for 3 seasons now is just pure rubbish
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Longside4evr » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:52 am

I just hope that we dont ring out that old cliche that well we managed to keep hold of all our squad players without having to sell anyone after missing out on our targets.
I am living in hope that theirs plenty going on behind the scenes and potential deals are being lined up for quality players to improve our squad

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:53 am

Longside4evr wrote:I just hope that we dont ring out that old cliche that well we managed to keep hold of all our squad players without having to sell anyone after missing out on our targets.
I am living in hope that theirs plenty going on behind the scenes and potential deals are being lined up for quality players to improve our squad
Regardless. It's unlikely we'll be relegated with the squad we have anyway.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:54 am

Well the 2 who came in last summer have made how many starts ???
Is it 3 between them ??
That is why we will struggle to attract talent as well.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:55 am

Spijed wrote:Regardless. It's unlikely we'll be relegated with the squad we have anyway.
We'd have been relegated had it not been for McNeil.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:56 am

Spijed wrote:Regardless. It's unlikely we'll be relegated with the squad we have anyway.
Really ?? Have you seen the average age of our squad and last season we were comfortable when - at the end of April

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:57 am

FactualFrank wrote:We'd have been relegated had it not been for McNeil.
Based on what?

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:57 am

Spijed wrote:Based on what?
Based on us not having McNeil.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Longside4evr » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:00 pm

His goals and assists maybe
If we were relying on Brady for that with his form then we would have gone right through that trap door

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Greeny » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Agree 100% with Factual Frank. Up until Sean’s hand was forced due to the absolutely useless yet nailed on starter every week, Lennon, got injured then McNeil got his chance.

He turned around a team totally lacking in creativity by running at defenders + putting crosses in.

Shockingly we started to score some decisive goals. Lennon was hopeless - always backwards + sideways.

McNeil away at Huddersfield was the difference. The same in plenty of other games. I like Sean but he is change averse, in the transfer window, in his team selection when it hasn’t worked for a while and most definitely with his subs during games.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Texanclaret16 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That’s as big an out of context reply as I’ve seen. We tried to sign him five years ago and once since. I don’t believe we were in for him this summer at all and eventually last year our main defensive target was Alfie Mawson who had agreed a deal and then shot off to Fulham.

And if our recruitment policy was a shambles I can assure you we wouldn’t be playing Premier League football.

Turned out well for Mawson :lol: :lol:

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:45 pm

Just shows how silly West Brom were in their valuation last season, didn’t they want £20m for Dawson last season?

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by joey13 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:52 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Just shows how silly West Brom were in their valuation last season, didn’t they want £20m for Dawson last season?
Irrelevant, clause in his contract the same as Rodriguez

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by boyyanno » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:08 pm

Spijed wrote:Regardless. It's unlikely we'll be relegated with the squad we have anyway.
I disagree with you on that. Last year's team finished in 15th, 3 places and 6 points above the last relegation spot. In my opinion we will only move closer to the trap door unless we continue to improve what we have.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:16 pm

boyyanno wrote:I disagree with you on that. Last year's team finished in 15th, 3 places and 6 points above the last relegation spot. In my opinion we will only move closer to the trap door unless we continue to improve what we have.
But we still got 28 points from 19 matches in the second half of the season.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:25 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Just shows how silly West Brom were in their valuation last season, didn’t they want £20m for Dawson last season?
Weren't there some on here who wanted us to pay that amount last summer?

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:02 pm

Texanclaret16 wrote:Turned out well for Mawson :lol: :lol:
It was the week we went to Aberdeen. Deal looked done and it was while up at Aberdeen that I found out his agent delayed it for him to talk to another club. I think he had injury problems last season and didn’t play too many games for Fulham.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by DustyBawls » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Read on http://alfiemawson.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that he was minutes from signing for us.


Edit: Must have the wrong link, but definitely read it.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by boyyanno » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:11 pm

Spijed wrote:But we still got 28 points from 19 matches in the second half of the season.
So how many did we get in the other 19, 12 points? It doesn't matter how you look at it really, at the end of the season we finished 6 points from relation. If we weren't to strengthen, which was your original point, we would be in a relegation fight based on that. Not sure how you can say it's unlikely without looking through some claret tinted specs.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:12 pm

If Dawson was ever under serious consideration the thread would have been closed pretty sharpish. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:45 pm

boyyanno wrote:So how many did we get in the other 19, 12 points? It doesn't matter how you look at it really, at the end of the season we finished 6 points from relation. If we weren't to strengthen, which was your original point, we would be in a relegation fight based on that. Not sure how you can say it's unlikely without looking through some claret tinted specs.
Aye, and notice how different the team was with Joe Hart in goal in the first half of the season, along with Europe thrown into the mix. We no longer have that issue.

I'm sure some posters will never admit that we are actually quite a good premier league side.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:53 pm

Spijed wrote:I'm sure some posters will never admit that we are actually quite a good premier league side.
Depends on your definition of quite good I suppose. Coming 19th, 16th, 7th & 15th to me on balance says we are a poor Premier League team. That said the fact that a club our size with our financial backing has established itself as a poorish Premier League team who's survived 3 seasons on the bounce is a monumental achievement in itself

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:07 am

Champions league this season.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:13 am

DustyBawls wrote:Read on http://alfiemawson.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that he was minutes from signing for us.


Edit: Must have the wrong link, but definitely read it.
Mawson had trained at Gawthorpe for a few days and shook hands on a deal then Fulham nicked in.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by aggi » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:25 am

FactualFrank wrote:I agree.

For all we know we may have had the same offer accepted, yet we demanded relegation clauses, whereas Watford didn't have them.

I'd be amazed if that was the case. However, it may have been the case that it was more likely those relegation clauses would come into play at Burnley rather than Watford or the salary decrease at Burnley was higher.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:38 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Mawson had trained at Gawthorpe for a few days and shook hands on a deal then Fulham nicked in.
It’s nice it turned out so well for him
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by MACCA » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:21 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Mawson had trained at Gawthorpe for a few days and shook hands on a deal then Fulham nicked in.
I find that very hard to believe for several reasons.

Why would any club risk their player getting injured training with another team.
Also if all was done and he was here training for a few days, what was the hold up in him spending 2 minutes putting a few signatures on several peices of paper.

I'm not saying he wasnt close to signing or even travelled up here, but I very much doubt he trained for a few days and bugged off.

And to finish, if what you said did happen, it's kind of amateurish by Burnley for allowing it to happen. You should never lose a target that way ( if it did happen )

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Wokingclaret » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:25 am

"And to finish, if what you said did happen, it's kind of amateurish by Burnley for allowing it to happen. You should never lose a target that way ( if it did happen )"

Has happened loads of times in this modern agent era

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:26 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Mawson had trained at Gawthorpe for a few days and shook hands on a deal then Fulham nicked in.
We dodged a bullet there then.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by MACCA » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:08 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:"And to finish, if what you said did happen, it's kind of amateurish by Burnley for allowing it to happen. You should never lose a target that way ( if it did happen )"

Has happened loads of times in this modern agent era
Has it?
I cant think of 1 instance never mind loads.
Still begs the question how or why we let this happen.

Anyway I think it didnt happen.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by claretspice » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:We'd have been relegated had it not been for McNeil.
But we did have McNeil, he was part of the squad, and we're almost certainly going to have him next season.

As for Dawson, I'd be quite surprised if we'd had no interest in him at all last season or this summer given exactly how much noise there's been about it - but that doesn't mean he was ever first choice (and the suggestion last summer was definitely that Mawson was first choice). This summer, he was only ever a signing we needed if Tarks were to leave, and given that that doesn't appear imminent (if Leicester were his destination, Maguire would have to move first for a start), so if Watford have nipped in before we're in a position to act then there's not a lot we can do about it. And if he wasn't first choice replacement if Tarks does leave, it doesn't really matter any way.
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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:47 pm

claretspice wrote:But we did have McNeil, he was part of the squad, and we're almost certainly going to have him next season.

As for Dawson, I'd be quite surprised if we'd had no interest in him at all last season or this summer given exactly how much noise there's been about it - but that doesn't mean he was ever first choice (and the suggestion last summer was definitely that Mawson was first choice). This summer, he was only ever a signing we needed if Tarks were to leave, and given that that doesn't appear imminent (if Leicester were his destination, Maguire would have to move first for a start), so if Watford have nipped in before we're in a position to act then there's not a lot we can do about it. And if he wasn't first choice replacement if Tarks does leave, it doesn't really matter any way.
spice--- certainly a lot of 'ifs' to contend with there ---and there are always agents involved in the transactions too which does not help any situation.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Selby Claret » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:46 pm

BREAKING NEWS

Watford have announced the signing of Craig Dawson from West Brom on a four-year deal.

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Weren't there some on here who wanted us to pay that amount last summer?
Not me I thought we should have got Rodriguez though, if Jay is available for £5m i hope were back in for him

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by Wokingclaret » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:51 pm

Selby Claret wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Watford have announced the signing of Craig Dawson from West Brom on a four-year deal.
Wow 4 years, great deal for Dawson

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Re: Dawson to Watford

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:57 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Wow 4 years, great deal for Dawson
Thought it was too late when we went back in for him... glad we have realised we supply international defenders to the league, not give journeymen a couple of comfortable seasons away from the pressure.
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