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Re: England New Zealand

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:47 pm

MACCA wrote:Start the car.
Going through the motions here
They are ensuring they go through and not see their run rate drop to give Pakistan a chance.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by MACCA » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:They are ensuring they go through and not see their run rate drop to give Pakistan a chance.

Whatever they are doing it's not very pretty.

Fair play to England doing the business when the pressure was really on.

I'd sooner be going into the semis after back to back victories against the sides you could be facing in the semis/final

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:54 pm

MACCA wrote:Whatever they are doing it's not very pretty.

Fair play to England doing the business when the pressure was really on.

I'd sooner be going into the semis after back to back victories against the sides you could be facing in the semis/final
Wasn’t looking good before these last two games but we’ve turned it round

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by WestMidsClaret » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:56 pm

We'll be hard to beat now.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:They are ensuring they go through and not see their run rate drop to give Pakistan a chance.
The scorer on TMS worked out that Pakistan would have to get 400 and bowl Bangladesh out for 15 for them to knock NZ out.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:49 pm

We've come storming back at just the right time and look to be in with a great chance of winning it . NZ on the other hand are rather lucky to be progressing (probably) and are limping into the semi finals. Australia will still take a bit of beating and our demolition of India the other day can't hide the fact that they are a REALLY dangerous side.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:02 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:The scorer on TMS worked out that Pakistan would have to get 400 and bowl Bangladesh out for 15 for them to knock NZ out.
So if Bangladesh bat first, that’s that although it’s already really done and dusted.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by WestMidsClaret » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:03 pm

Yes If Bangladesh win the toss and bat first Pakistan are out.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:13 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:More likely to be England v India I think...

Rather them than the Aussies...but not sure they will whimper out like the other day in a semi
Yes i had a brain freeze and was looking at the table before England's win was updated,assuming both the Aussies and the Indians win their last game,it'll be England-India,and the Aussies-Kiwis in the last 4,it's not been a great summer thus far for UK sport,hopefully England can change that.

You'd have to make the Australians marginal favourites to go all the way based on the action so far,but in a one-off game a dazzling spell from say a Trent Boult,or a classy hundred from Williamson could upset the form.

It's hard to judge England's victory over India as they were on autopilot for the last 20 overs,but recent history suggests it'll be tight in a semi-final.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by WestMidsClaret » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:17 pm

Imagine having a 0.005% (I don't know the exact percentage before anyone pulls me up on it :lol: )chance of winning and qualifying but no chance if you lose on the toss of a coin and the other team decides to bat first.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:29 pm

The Aussies have only chased once, v Afghanistan. Think NZ will want to bat first and try to put some pressure on them.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by wembley94 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:52 pm

Don't rate any of the England spinners.so drop Rashid for Mo for a longer batting order

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:10 pm

I was saying on day one that teams who won the toss really should choose to bat first and generally that has proved to be the best way to winning games. I still can't believe that after all the matches we've seen some teams are still winning the toss and putting the other team in. It's almost suicidal. It's made a massive difference to England's last 2 games and will be crucial in deciding the outcome of the semis.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Spijed » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:14 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I was saying on day one that teams who won the toss really should choose to bat first and generally that has proved to be the best way to winning games. I still can't believe that after all the matches we've seen some teams are still winning the toss and putting the other team in. It's almost suicidal. It's made a massive difference to England's last 2 games and will be crucial in deciding the outcome of the semis.
It's incredible that skill alone won't win you cricket matches, but also how lucky you get in deciding to bat first or second.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:21 pm

Spijed wrote:It's incredible that skill alone won't win you cricket matches, but also how lucky you get in deciding to bat first or second.
The toss has always played a huge part in cricket in every format of the game and it's accepted that it's a lucky, but crucial part of the game. And there IS a time and a place for putting the opposition in sometimes, but choosing to bat is more often the right choice and I've been amazed at how many sides have chosen to chase in this tournament and then watched the others put up in excess of 300 (or not far off it) and then (unsurprisingly) failed to knock them off.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Longside4evr » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 pm

We did well today and that crucial first wicket for nought but saying that why didnt he appeal
He was on his toes when it struck his pad high and ran down his time to even appeal it, all the same it was good bowling, and what about that catch behind off the glove it was pure genius.
We are set up now and I am very much more optimistic than I was a few days ago
But like someone mentioned it wouldn't be a bad idea to drop our spinner as I also think it's not the tactic in this tournament

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:45 pm

I'd say if teams finish level on points it should be decided by the result of thèir head to head match, rather than run rate.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:49 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I'd say if teams finish level on points it should be decided by the result of thèir head to head match, rather than run rate.
Two reasons why that wouldn’t work: the game may have been abandoned, three teams could finish on the same points.

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:50 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I was saying on day one that teams who won the toss really should choose to bat first and generally that has proved to be the best way to winning games. I still can't believe that after all the matches we've seen some teams are still winning the toss and putting the other team in. It's almost suicidal. It's made a massive difference to England's last 2 games and will be crucial in deciding the outcome of the semis.
Two thirds of the games in this WC have been won by the team batting first.
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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Local cricketer » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:32 pm

Told you we had plenty

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Re: England New Zealand

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:53 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I was saying on day one that teams who won the toss really should choose to bat first and generally that has proved to be the best way to winning games. I still can't believe that after all the matches we've seen some teams are still winning the toss and putting the other team in. It's almost suicidal. It's made a massive difference to England's last 2 games and will be crucial in deciding the outcome of the semis.
They expected movement early with 10.30am starts and English conditions.
It's been a while the white ball has done something in England though. Probably before they switched to the Kookaburra ball.
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