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England vs Sweden
Newspaper headlines tomorrow morning will no doubt consist of Bronze and Bronze.
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Re: England vs Sweden
1-0 to Sweden.
I'm not watching either, it's just on in the other room.
I'm not watching either, it's just on in the other room.
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Re: England vs Sweden
Sweden went 2-0 up... England pulled one back.
And another... 2-2.
And another... 2-2.
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Re: England vs Sweden
2 England goals in 2 minutes
2-2
2-2
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Re: England vs Sweden
Or maybe not
VAR being used.......
.......no goal. Handball
VAR being used.......
.......no goal. Handball
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Ouch... again!
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Re: England vs Sweden
clear and obvious my arse, they need to get a grip of this quickly before it completely runs the sport - and I'm 100% for VAR !
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That wasn’t very clear. I think the ref just guessed it was hand ball.
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I’m not watching it but England sides haven’t had much luck since the introduction of VAR have they.
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I’m all for VAR but so far tossing a coin would be more accurate
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I won't bore you to tears by explaining why a coin toss isn't 50/50.SalisburyClaret wrote:I’m all for VAR but so far tossing a coin would be more accurate
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Re: England vs Sweden
Sweden the much better side in most of the important areas.
Can England keep the score down.
Can England keep the score down.
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Aye - the football pitch.South West Claret. wrote:Sweden the much better side in most of the important areas.
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It is the future so just get used to it.Vegas Claret wrote:clear and obvious my arse, they need to get a grip of this quickly before it completely runs the sport - and I'm 100% for VAR !
The referee would not even have considered handball if the VAR and Assistant VAR operators had not given their opinion! It is not VAR it is human opinion that is the influence.
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Why’s this on BBC1? Greatest tennis player of all time on BBC2.
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You just answered your own question - it's tennis.claret wizard wrote:Why’s this on BBC1? Greatest tennis player of all time on BBC2.
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if it carries on at this standard then I'll find something else to do instead of watching the footy !!!Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:It is the future so just get used to it.
The referee would not even have considered handball if the VAR and Assistant VAR operators had not given their opinion! It is not VAR it is human opinion that is the influence.
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That will be two of us then! I have already made my mind up!Vegas Claret wrote:if it carries on at this standard then I'll find something else to do instead of watching the footy !!!
I'm not prepared to do a 300 mile round trip to watch the Clarets just for the game to be decided by a committee ---two of whom will be a hundred miles away. Thank goodness for football outside the PL and also Rugby League!
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Re: England vs Sweden
A Swedish defensive master class. Just like watching the Clarets - except most of the Swedish lasses are lookers. One of them looks like a very pale
"Avatar" character and another like a bloke but they're the exceptions.
We even had a Ben Mee "It's gonna knock my head off but I'm gonna head it anyway" clearance off the line.
"Avatar" character and another like a bloke but they're the exceptions.
We even had a Ben Mee "It's gonna knock my head off but I'm gonna head it anyway" clearance off the line.
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Ashingtonclaret.....I totally get what you are saying but it's probably no worse than doing the round trip just for the game to be decided by a clown like Bobby Madley or Lee Mason.
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I have done the job myself at a lower level, however, I can always forgive a mistake made at full speed and its consequences. I do not like the idea of lots of slow motion replays and the introduction of opinions from people not involved on the pitch or its surroundings. I know that it is my choice but that is t he way I feel about VAR.Stalbansclaret wrote:Ashingtonclaret.....I totally get what you are saying but it's probably no worse than doing the round trip just for the game to be decided by a clown like Bobby Madley or Lee Mason.
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For those unsure on the VAR handball call it was correct.
You cannot score following a handball even if it was accidental.
They've played well most matches but the last two their passing for the final ball was dire. got what they deserved.
You cannot score following a handball even if it was accidental.
They've played well most matches but the last two their passing for the final ball was dire. got what they deserved.
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I'm never up to date with these rules, but if a handball is accidental - and the word 'accidental' is key here - it should be ignored. In my opinion.Tricky Trevor wrote:For those unsure on the VAR handball call it was correct.
You cannot score following a handball even if it was accidental.
They've played well most matches but the last two their passing for the final ball was dire. got what they deserved.
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It's better this way, because then a player can't make it look accidental and it can't be down to the opinion of a ref to say it's accidental..FactualFrank wrote:I'm never up to date with these rules, but if a handball is accidental - and the word 'accidental' is key here - it should be ignored. In my opinion.
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The incident I always go back to was Jason Wilcox, for our NEIGHbours at Pompey in the FA Cup. He slid in,on his arse, on an awful, slippery pitch and his feet were in front of the crossed ball. Totally accidentally, as he slid, he knocked it in with his hand. Under them laws it was quite rightly given but absolutely zero justice for Pompey. i prefer the new interpretation.FactualFrank wrote:I'm never up to date with these rules, but if a handball is accidental - and the word 'accidental' is key here - it should be ignored. In my opinion.
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If this is the future i'm glad i've ditched my pay TV package,i can sympathise with the many Clarets who commute to games and have a season of VAR to suffer.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:That will be two of us then! I have already made my mind up!
I'm not prepared to do a 300 mile round trip to watch the Clarets just for the game to be decided by a committee ---two of whom will be a hundred miles away. Thank goodness for football outside the PL and also Rugby League!
This isn't sour grapes from an England viewpoint,as Sweden deserved to win the game,but these VAR decisions are getting barmier by the game.
It's perhaps 3 years or so since VAR was trialled in the Copa America,and in that time i see no improvement,the problem is that decisions will still be subjective,therefore one person could see an incident totally differently to another.
The only conclusive call that VAR can make is with goal line technology,even offsides aren't always clear cut.
Just to clarify your last sentence i thought Rugby League did have a video referee system in place,or is that just to confirm tries,i know Rugby Union definitely have a video official.
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I'm in agreement with what Ashy and others are saying about VAR (even though I am/was in favour of it).
But VAR had nothing to do with how dreadful we were. And boy, we were dreadful.
But VAR had nothing to do with how dreadful we were. And boy, we were dreadful.
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Nor is VAR!FactualFrank wrote:I won't bore you to tears by explaining why a coin toss isn't 50/50.
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tiger --yes Rugby League does use a video referee system which works well, however, it is used to see whether or not the ball was touched down correctly and by whom, whether a player's foot has gone into touch when scoring a try, whether a player was in an offside position, in front of the kicker, when a kick is made, usually on the last tackle and also whether or not a player has obstructed another by making a dummy run --again this is a check when a try is under scrutiny.
It works well because they show everything on the screen at the stadium and you hear the referee asking for whatever he wants clarifying.
All the decisions are really black and white with very little room for doubt so it works well and it is the referee who asks for the information, unlike VAR in football where it is the operators who intervene with their opinion which, as far as I am concerned, undermines the authority of the onfield officials and can lead to problems such as happened in the Cameroon game when the referee was left hanging on for over 5 minutes whilst decisions were made and then all the pundits were hanging her out to dry!
It works well because they show everything on the screen at the stadium and you hear the referee asking for whatever he wants clarifying.
All the decisions are really black and white with very little room for doubt so it works well and it is the referee who asks for the information, unlike VAR in football where it is the operators who intervene with their opinion which, as far as I am concerned, undermines the authority of the onfield officials and can lead to problems such as happened in the Cameroon game when the referee was left hanging on for over 5 minutes whilst decisions were made and then all the pundits were hanging her out to dry!
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That's the point buddyIanMcL wrote:Nor is VAR!
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It’ll see you into an early grave this VAR Ash.
It’s July, just relax about it.
It’s July, just relax about it.
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Bordeaux-- you are so far off the truth as anyone who knows me will tell you.Bordeauxclaret wrote:It’ll see you into an early grave this VAR Ash.
It’s July, just relax about it.
I express an opinion about it that is all. It is the future of the game whether I like it or not and I shall let them get on with it.
I shall be at the Turf this season and will enjoy my drive down, meet up with friends and relatives, watch the match and enjoy the drive back home no matter what the result. Hopefully, I will be able to take in a few, VAR free, youth matches if they coincide with our home games and Sky don't mess us about too much and that makes for a cracking day out.
The last thing that I shall worry about is VAR because I know that this is my last season as a season ticket holder so I shall go and watch Sunderland, Middlesbrough and Carlisle who won't be encumbered by outside influences.
Ah well, back to the Bordeaux now for the rest of the evening ---it is very relaxing and keeps the blood pressure in check!
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I’ll be honest you go on about it a lot.
This week alone you’ve been telling us how it’s not on they use it in football for goals alone as those decisions are no more important than any other yet tell us it works well in Rugby League who use it for tries alone.
I get you don’t like it but the reasoning continues to be scattergun.
Anyway, enjoy the next few weeks and hopefully Middlesbrough don’t get promoted for your sake.
This week alone you’ve been telling us how it’s not on they use it in football for goals alone as those decisions are no more important than any other yet tell us it works well in Rugby League who use it for tries alone.
I get you don’t like it but the reasoning continues to be scattergun.
Anyway, enjoy the next few weeks and hopefully Middlesbrough don’t get promoted for your sake.
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I was completing the circle.FactualFrank wrote:That's the point buddy
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Has Neville been given the gooner yet with a manager appointed this time.
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He fecked up with the waistcoat. That was laughable.South West Claret. wrote:Has Neville been given the gooner yet with a manager appointed this time.
But USA woman-for-woman were pretty much all better than England. And Sweden were tactically better.
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Never came across as management material some how but does talk a good game.
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Rugby League is at the request of the referee who also says whether or not he thinks that it is a try or not when he refers it and they have to have good reason to reverse the decision. Football is not at the request of the referee, it is outside interference, hence, why not let them interfere with every decision. Simple really, there is no comparison with its use in Rugby League at all because the players accept it, however, the football players do not, as was seen by the Cameroon players and also this afternoon with the disallowed England goal.Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’ll be honest you go on about it a lot.
This week alone you’ve been telling us how it’s not on they use it in football for goals alone as those decisions are no more important than any other yet tell us it works well in Rugby League who use it for tries alone.
I get you don’t like it but the reasoning continues to be scattergun.
Anyway, enjoy the next few weeks and hopefully Middlesbrough don’t get promoted for your sake.
Cheers!
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So it’s nothing to do with one decision being more important than another? Now it’s who makes it?
As I said, the more it gets to you the more scattergun it gets.
It wasn’t long ago you were claiming parents at junior football would be calling for VAR.
Your dedication to defend on field referees is admirable but you really need to relax.
As I said, the more it gets to you the more scattergun it gets.
It wasn’t long ago you were claiming parents at junior football would be calling for VAR.
Your dedication to defend on field referees is admirable but you really need to relax.
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There are some excellent players and some very inconsistent ones.
Pity, as they played some good stuff. Some players off the bench, appeared to be much better than the starting players, or is that my imagination?
Pity, as they played some good stuff. Some players off the bench, appeared to be much better than the starting players, or is that my imagination?
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Yes, but we would have an infinite number of tosses. A bit like VAR.FactualFrank wrote:I won't bore you to tears by explaining why a coin toss isn't 50/50.
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Methinks that you have no sense of humour.Bordeauxclaret wrote:So it’s nothing to do with one decision being more important than another? Now it’s who makes it?
As I said, the more it gets to you the more scattergun it gets.
It wasn’t long ago you were claiming parents at junior football would be calling for VAR.
Your dedication to defend on field referees is admirable but you really need to relax.
Do you really know what I think? You only know what I put on here and I could well be a politician or a member of the Burnley Board ---they all only tell you what they want you to know.
If you think that I get uptight about anything relating to football after being involved with it for over 68 years in various countries, then I am sorry.
It is just a game and, as far as I am concerned, that is all it will ever be, however, I do have firm opinions. If you think I am scattergun, that is fine, at least you are having to think about it which is never a bad thing.
It is corrupt from top to bottom but it is still a game I love and have done so as a player, junior coach, manager, administrator and official.
I will defend onfiled officials because the job has got harder season by season and now those running the game are changing the Laws in order to accommodate VAR ---except the Premier League are not going to use it for keepers being on their line for penalty kicks ----they are making their own Laws. Please tell me which Laws should be taught to a young official.
Should it be FIFA Laws of the Game, FIFA Laws of the Game for matches with VAR or Premier League Laws with VAR with exceptions?
Many fans can't get used to a free kick for offside being given when the offender has gone back into his own half so I hope that they can cope with everything else that is being thrown at them.
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Apologies, that doesn’t sound like it’s getting to you at all.
Enjoy the rest of July.
Enjoy the rest of July.
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That has no bearing on the 50/50.dougcollins wrote:Yes, but we would have an infinite number of tosses. A bit like VAR.
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England women have gone backward under the " media darling ", Phil Neville, despite all the hype .... Mark Sampson did a much better job, with inferior funding, profile etc .... before the BBC decided they could pick up the rights for naff all, and market it as a " World Cup ", on a level with the Men's game, to fill a large proportion of the Summer schedule at minimal cost ...South West Claret. wrote:Never came across as management material some how but does talk a good game.
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Totally agree. I was all for it..... I'm not anymore (in its present form) The game is run by idiots...Vegas Claret wrote:clear and obvious my arse, they need to get a grip of this quickly before it completely runs the sport - and I'm 100% for VAR !
When all the players think it's a good goal... all the supporters think it's a goal and VAR is still used then there is problem.
Clear and obvious should be just that...an appeal from the offending team would be a better starting point. Maybe give them three appeals per game.
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That would make it worse. We’d have a VAR review for every goal scored and almost certainly a total of 6 reviews every game.turfytopper wrote:Clear and obvious should be just that...an appeal from the offending team would be a better starting point. Maybe give them three appeals per game.
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someone on here came up with a great idea - VAR should be allowed 2 replays only, if they can't make a decision after that then it's not clear and obviousturfytopper wrote:Totally agree. I was all for it..... I'm not anymore (in its present form) The game is run by idiots...
When all the players think it's a good goal... all the supporters think it's a goal and VAR is still used then there is problem.
Clear and obvious should be just that...an appeal from the offending team would be a better starting point. Maybe give them three appeals per game.
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Knowing there's often more than 2 angles and one of them often tells the story, I don't think that makes much sense.Vegas Claret wrote:someone on here came up with a great idea - VAR should be allowed 2 replays only, if they can't make a decision after that then it's not clear and obvious