ARTICLE: Pieters signs as Burnley go shopping at Stoke again

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:47 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Perhaps we should get Alan Lee again for the return of Pieters and Lee

There would be too much blind faith in that partnership!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:49 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Good signing.

Perhaps we should get Alan Lee again for the return of Pieters and Lee

Wasn’t one of the singing duo Peters and Lee blind ?

Actually come to think of it I think Alan Lee could have been !!!

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Clearly mixed from the speculation thread but it is a small fee apparently and we've got an experienced international full back to compete with Charlie Taylor. More than good enough for me.

Yes, he'll be good enough as back up till either Koiki or Glennon make the grade

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:51 pm

houseboy wrote:This seems like a good signing, do we know how 'small' the fee was? Seems like a good bit of business for a player who is an international for a very good national team (Holland are hardly Luxembourg are they?).

£1m plus add-ons, according to Stoke

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:52 pm

Damo wrote:His mrs is a bit of alreyt

It’s quite remarkable how being a multi millionaire professional athlete attracts a more visually pleasant partner than what one would likely encounter down Burnley on a Saturday night, often irrespective of the looks of the multi millionaire professional athlete....

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:54 pm

Has he played centee back ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:54 pm

TVC15 wrote:Wasn’t one of the singing duo Peters and Lee blind ?

Actually come to think of it I think Alan Lee could have been !!!

I’m damn sure some are of the team of that era could be classed as visually impaired, certainly some of them would have struggled to pass wind

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:03 pm

Another meh signing that doesn’t improve out first 11.

We need to push the boat out a bit more and actively target players better than what we have got. I see this as a paper over the cracks type of signing

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:12 pm

Right_winger wrote:Another meh signing that doesn’t improve out first 11.

We need to push the boat out a bit more and actively target players better than what we have got. I see this as a paper over the cracks type of signing

Are you saying we should have really been looking at a better player than Taylor?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:14 pm

There’s a bit of numb nuttery about this one. It’s a position that we needed cover for, and cover that would provide competition to Taylor. We’ve ticked both boxes, whilst bringing the age of the squad down.

Yes we need to improve the first XI but this wasn’t the position in which to do this.

Getting at least two in at the beginning of pre season is really positive (assuming Jay comes off). It’s something that we have needed to improve upon and I can fully accept that one or two others may take longer to get a deal through.

Good work BFC

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:15 pm

Right_winger wrote:Another meh signing that doesn’t improve out first 11.

We need to push the boat out a bit more and actively target players better than what we have got. I see this as a paper over the cracks type of signing

As a replacement for Ward (who was cover for Taylor) Pieters is better than what we've got (had).

We can only afford to 'push the boat out' on one, maybe two signings and most here seem to want those to be further up the pitch. So it's even more sense for these defensive covering roles to be done at maximum value for money.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:24 pm

Didn't see that coming....mind you, neither did he.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:38 pm

Us as a club need better quality players and I’m not having it that we can’t afford it, we can pay but are unwilling too.

Signing aging squad players leads to stagnation followed by regression. You can’t stand still in modern football you always have to be looking to improve.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:44 pm

Right_winger wrote:Us as a club need better quality players and I’m not having it that we can’t afford it, we can pay but are unwilling too.

Signing aging squad players leads to stagnation followed by regression. You can’t stand still in modern football you always have to be looking to improve.

So how much should we spend on a left-back then to sit on the bench?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:48 pm

Spijed wrote:So how much should we spend on a left-back then to sit on the bench?

Completely missed the point i had made.

Why should we target squad players when we could actively target players better than what we have got?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:50 pm

Right_winger wrote:Completely missed the point i had made.

Why should we target squad players when we could actively target players better than what we have got?

But we don't need a better left back than Taylor.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:54 pm

Right_winger wrote:Us as a club need better quality players and I’m not having it that we can’t afford it, we can pay but are unwilling too.

Signing aging squad players leads to stagnation followed by regression. You can’t stand still in modern football you always have to be looking to improve.

Totally agree that we have to improve the starting eleven but we would be having to spend a fortune to better Charlie Taylor - would rather we got Charlie to sign an extension and accept Pieters as back up

Jay Rod, if signed, is for me an improvement on Woods/Barnes

But I certainly agree that we have to improve across the middle of the park and monies should be heavily invested there

Are the club unwilling to spend the money or is the manager too biased towards some current players who should be replaced ?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:56 pm

Right_winger wrote:Completely missed the point i had made.

Why should we target squad players when we could actively target players better than what we have got?

Because squad places need filling too. And if you are happy with the current player in a position then why go looking to spend money in what is an overinflated market.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:57 pm

Right_winger wrote:Completely missed the point i had made.

Why should we target squad players when we could actively target players better than what we have got?

How much do you think we'd have to spend to get a better left back than Taylor, given that Tyrone Mings is costing Villa £25m?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:02 pm

Tall Paul wrote:How much do you think we'd have to spend to get a better left back than Taylor, given that Tyrone Mings is costing Villa £25m?

Given the ever inflating transfer market and given Taylor's huge improvement last season, I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess as to how much we would have to spend. We needed a left back and we've got one for a good price and a good one at that.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:05 pm

To get a Premier League experienced Full Back with Pieters CV for £1m is pretty clever business.Luton have sold their 2 full backs who were playing in League 1 last season for a combined £10 million this summer

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:06 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Didn't see that coming....mind you, neither did he.

Are we back to Peters & Lee again?

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:09 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s quite remarkable how being a multi millionaire professional athlete attracts a more visually pleasant partner than what one would likely encounter down Burnley on a Saturday night, often irrespective of the looks of the multi millionaire professional athlete....

Oooh heck........ Hibs has gone all Mrs Merton on us!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:36 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:To get a Premier League experienced Full Back with Pieters CV for £1m is pretty clever business.Luton have sold their 2 full backs who were playing in League 1 last season for a combined £10 million this summer

Haven't Bournemuff just spent 4 Million signing a defender from Luton...... is he one of them?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:39 pm

He is...the other has gone to Leicester

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:41 pm

Good solid signing. Competition can only make the current shirt holder better which we’ve seen on many occasions. He is not still an international so I don’t know why people mention that as some sort of bonus. It’s like saying Crouch is an England International

On another note is it still possible to do seat changes and where does his wife sit !

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:56 pm

Yep, happy with this.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:58 pm

A good experienced signing which strengthens the squad.

I do, however, feel that we are treading water, as opposed to going forwards.
That is more of an observation of the current climate rather than a dig at the club.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:02 pm

Spijed wrote:So how much should we spend on a left-back then to sit on the bench?

Oh, I don't know, nothing to £5m should have covered it.

We didn't need a better player than Taylor or even one as good as Taylor. We only needed a player better than Pieters who could offer us some form of resale value we could work with. That would have been a better deal.

If every position is looked at as a profit centre as well as a playing position we just closed down one of ours for 2 years and filled it with a left back banana skin who was struggling to hold his own in the Championship.

Jonas Knudsen on a free transfer - current International, not an International from 8 years ago.

Daley Sinkgraven for £5m - midfield back up as well

Or instead of chasing after players that were identified by Stokes ex chief scout shouldn't we could have gone for a player he is after now and the player Stoke might be looking to bring in for something like 2-3m and lower wages?

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A couple of extra million would have opened up a lot of options. I just listed three, but if our amazing new recruitment system is doing its job we should have had targets beyond our usual " one stop can we have a player you don't want shop".

The real question is why we had to wait until now to sign Pieters.

Jay Rod might have attracted interest from another bidder when all of the clubs had full transfer kitties, but I can't image that Pieters would have.

My concern isn't having older players in the squad, or decent make weights to fill out the squad, it is having to many of them and a poor overall age spread.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:04 pm

Good signing.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:07 pm

He’s a decent back up and cheap too. Not played for Holland for years though and didn’t Stoke loan him out last season ? Experienced Prem player though and anyone whose played for Dutch national team must have somat about them

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:12 pm

IF he's come very cheap in terms of transfer fee and providing we're not paying him a small fortune in wages, it makes a lot of sense, as he's more than decent back up for Taylor in a sometimes difficult to fill position. Not strengthening our starting 11, but ok business.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:18 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Good signing.

Perhaps we should get Alan Lee again for the return of Pieters and Lee

Sure he’d get a good WELCOME HOME

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:20 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:He’s a decent back up and cheap too. Not played for Holland for years though and didn’t Stoke loan him out last season ? Experienced Prem player though and anyone whose played for Dutch national team must have somat about them

Half the season in the championship and half in Ligue 1

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:40 pm

I love the fact that a guy who has played more games in the PL in the last 6 seasons than Burnley have is considered as not being good enough for us.
Delusions of grandeur prevail.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:48 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: and didn’t Stoke loan him out last season ?

They did, almost as soon as the new manager came in. Didn’t think he could play in his preferred diamond system.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:10 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Yet more evidence that you struggle with numbers, replacing a 33 year old with a 30 year old is bringing the age of the squad down.

Nice spin Alistair. You haven't lost it!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:11 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Nice spin Alistair. You haven't lost it!

It isn't spin, it's an unarguable fact.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Tall Paul wrote:It isn't spin, it's an unarguable fact.

Bringing someone in at 30 to lower the age of the squad highlights the problem. Not the opposite.

As I said. Good signing as backup. But it doesn't address many of our real challenges. Nor would signing Jay. But I suppose bringing Jay in to replace Crouch again lowers the age of the squad

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Bringing someone in at 30 to lower the age of the squad highlights the problem. Not the opposite.

As I said. Good signing as backup. But it doesn't address many of our real challenges. Nor would signing Jay. But I suppose bringing Jay in to replace Crouch again lowers the age of the squad

30 isn't old is it?

I bet you would have had no problem bring in a 29 year old, namely Keiron Trippier!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Bringing someone in at 30 to lower the age of the squad highlights the problem. Not the opposite.

The post you were agreeing with said:
"At some point we're going to have to start bringing the age of our squad down"

That's exactly what we have done.

You could make the argument that we need to bring it down more, but you didn't.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:22 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:I love the fact that a guy who has played more games in the PL in the last 6 seasons than Burnley have is considered as not being good enough for us.
Delusions of grandeur prevail.

Beggars belief, Ash.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:26 pm

Good signing. Nominal fee. Experienced PL player. Good enough to start as required. Allows greater investment elsewhere. No brainer. Hard to understand how the signing could be sensibly criticised.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:27 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Our FA and League cup back 5 is now confirmed.
Pope
Bardsley, Long, Gibson, Pieters.
That's not a bad defensive lineup.

My only worry is will two games be enough to form an understanding?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 pm

Spijed wrote:30 isn't old is it?

I bet you would have had no problem bring in a 29 year old, namely Keiron Trippier!

I wouldnt have any issue signing any player that would massively improve the first eleven.

whether that is 29 year old Kieren Trippier, 34 year old Cristiano Ronaldo or 20 year old Kyllian MBappe. But all three are unrealistic, ludicrous comparisons.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The post you were agreeing with said:
"At some point we're going to have to start bringing the age of our squad down"

That's exactly what we have done.

You could make the argument that we need to bring it down more, but you didn't.

OK Alistair.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 pm

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Didn't take long for Erik to fly to Portugal

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:30 pm

taio wrote:Good signing. Nominal fee. Experienced PL player. Good enough to start as required. Allows greater investment elsewhere. No brainer. Hard to understand how the signing could be sensibly criticised.

I think we went through the same stuff when Bardsley rocked up and that worked out quite well.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I wouldnt have any issue signing any player that would massively improve the first eleven.

whether that is 29 year old Kieren Trippier, 34 year old Cristiano Ronaldo or 20 year old Kyllian MBappe. But all three are unrealistic, ludicrous comparisons.

But we are not going to improve on a left back who looks like he has the potential to become a top-class player, are we?

So why not spend money where it's put to much better use?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I wouldnt have any issue signing any player that would massively improve the first eleven.

whether that is 29 year old Kieren Trippier, 34 year old Cristiano Ronaldo or 20 year old Kyllian MBappe. But all three are unrealistic, ludicrous comparisons.

So you wanted someone to replace Taylor is that what you're saying?
If you want a signing that would improve the starting 11, then that means Taylor would be dropped to the bench, which is harsh.