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Postby SGr » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:24 am

The Labour Party would do itself an enormous favour if it stopped concerning itself with Israel and Palestine. I hear “anti Israel isn’t antisemetic” all the time, but I ask the question: what’s the point of being anti Israel in the first place? The sooner Labour realise the general population of the United Kingdom don’t give two sh*ts about the supposed plight of the Palestinian people, the easier this all becomes.

If you’re campaigning to lead the UK you’ve got to ask the question: why is this our problem? My answer would be: it isn’t.

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Postby android » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:49 am

If it be your will wrote:I admire your honesty. You are aware, though, that by saying this, you are openly admitting you actively sought to weaponise antisemitism against Corbyn, for reasons totally unrelated to the persecution of Jews? And if you did it, do you think others may have been guilty of this, too, or were you a lone exception? Considering you misused the antisemitism cause before, should we believe you are not still doing so? Also, you are admitting that all those that were saying the issue was being weaponised against Corbyn were not hopeless denialists after all, and were actually right all along?

A genuine campaigner against antisemitism would be totally disgusted by this hijacking of their cause to score an unrelated political point, by the way. And rightly so. It is, by any measure, a completely abhorrent thing to have done.


Wow indeed! By all means hold on to your view of Corbyn - I can't change your mind and I doubt anyone can - but It is very poor to misrepresent me in the way you have just attempted and I would appreciate it if you could refrain from doing that.

I said my "primary" motivation when some stuff first came out a few years ago was to get rid of Corbyn. Do you really not understand what primary means? Do you really not understand that other motives can exist alongside primary motives? Do you really expect me to let you (a Corbyn supporter of all people!) get away with claiming my concerns were "totally unrelated" to the persecution of Jews. As I explained, and you chose to ignore, it seemed to me 3 years ago that Corbyn was a far bigger threat to the country than antisemitism, which I thought was confined to a few cranks like Corbyn and friends (and some far right nut jobs as well obviously). I expected Corbyn to be gone and normality (no significant antisemitism problems in the Labour party) to return. Obviously we now know much more. And as I said, we have the hideous tactic of deflection onto other parties, stoking up division rather than dealing with the problem.

For the record of course my words cannot be misconstrued to mean that the hopeless denialists were right all along!

Not sure who your last paragraph is aimed at.

I should have stuck with my instinct to cease posting on this thread. It's a waste of time, as the hard core will stick to their guns whatever Corbyn does or does not do.

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:39 am

Nope. You had your admirable moment of sincerity in your previous post, Android. Too late for a semantic argument now.

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Postby Erasmus » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:48 am

Android, it's a simple enough point. Just that some who are up in arms on this anti-semitism issue are taking it up as a means of attacking the Labour Party rather than or more than because they are concerned about racism. I think it is important to be aware that this is a factor in discussing the issue. Rowls, for example, suddenly became very concerned over racism (apparently) when he saw an opportunity to denigrate Corbyn.

Personally, I think the present Labour Party has some excellent policies that would benefit those who are less well off. You say that Labour's socialist outlook has always failed but that is really not the case. Social Democracy has brought great benefits to the people of this country, most notably of course the NHS, usually in the teeth of opposition from the right wing parties.

However, what we have seen just before and since Corbyn's becoming leader is an influx of people into the party who were previously more left wing than Labour and who engaged in a more aggressive form of politics in which quite vicious abuse of opponents was the norm. Such people also tend to be intolerant of different outlooks on any issues.

Amongst such individuals, Israel is seen in the same light as South Africa was in the apartheid era, and there are good grounds for condemning the racism, ethnic cleansing and land seizure of the Israeli government. However, their line of argument too often takes the form of using words that abuse and seek to hurt their opponents at a personal level through all kinds of unpleasant insults. Where their opponents are Jewish and are supporters of Israel then this abuse and desire to emotionally disturb sometimes takes the form of anti-semitism.

To my mind, this kind of abusive and hate-filled argumentation is a disgrace to the Labour Party. It is incompatible with true left wing values, which are an attempt to practically implement the moral precepts that gave rise to social democracy. On this board, we can observe people of a left wing tendency using insults and abusive words, thereby failing to recognise the fundamental basis of left wing politics.

Marxism fails primarily because of Marx's insistence on social determinism, which renders personal morality irrelevant. At the moment I find myself moving away from a lifelong adherence to the Labour Party, not because of anti-semitism, which is not a major issue, or because of the policies of the party, most of which are rightly conceived, but because I am unable to give support to a group that is so intolerant and aggressive and which delights in causing distress to political opponents.

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Postby Imploding Turtle » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:11 am

Erasmus wrote:..., but because I am unable to give support to a group that is so intolerant and aggressive and which delights in causing distress to political opponents.


Too many on the left are looking at the right and seeing their team-based politics as a good idea that the left should adopt. The alt-right are an amalgamation of far-right extremists who often believe very different things, sometimes fundamentally different things, but they come together on one issue - hatred of "libs". And it doesn't matter if they believe something completely at odds with the policy they're defending. As long as the people attacking it are what they define as "liberals" then they'll defend it. There are some on the left who are heading that way, if they're not there already.

I've said for years that we're following in America's footsteps with this stuff, but in this case we're actually pulling out ahead of them. They don't have an alt-left yet, but we're building one.

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:59 am

Erasmus wrote:

Oh, come on Erasmus. Everything about your post was a rebuke. Its use of relentlessly measured tones does not detract from its hostility: it was intended to hurt.

As such it was no less aggressive in its intent than anything I (or IT for that matter) could ever put out.

You press home your point your way - I do appreciate it, by the way - and let me do it mine. Much as you might want to believe otherwise, there is more than one way to make your point heard.

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Postby Erasmus » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:34 pm

If it be your will, I would have to disagree with you there. My intention was absolutely not to hurt. I deny that completely, and I would never say or write anything that aimed to hurt an opponent on a personal level. People disagree with me all the time and that doesn't hurt at all, and mostly it is not intended to; surely, you must see the difference between expressing a contrary view and attempting to belittle an opponent or suggest that the opponent is some way despicable. Absolutely different. You are quite wrong on that point, and I say that with no intention whatsoever to cause you personal suffering.

With regard to the more aggressive and abusive approaches, I would repeat that the desire to cause emotional distress to an opponent is a betrayal of left wing values. Hence when expressing a contrary view, one should go to great lengths to ensure that this does not happen. Paul Waine on this board is a good example of this method of debate. I disagree with almost everything he says, but I admire the way he expresses his views and that makes me more inclined to listen to them.

Secondly, it is a form of debate that is completely dysfunctional. You are not going to convince people by abusing them, just the opposite. Moreover, when you argue a case you are taking the position of a representative of that case and the way you project yourself will have an influence over the ability you have to persuade others. Not just the opponent but those who are viewing the discussion. If you come across as an abuser, a harsh voice filled with contempt, then that will inevitably weaken the effectiveness of your arguments in convincing others. As Gandhi said, 'Never think for one moment that the end is not shaped by the means.' Nothing good comes from hatred, contempt and animosity.
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Postby android » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:20 pm

If it be your will wrote:Nope. You had your admirable moment of sincerity in your previous post, Android. Too late for a semantic argument now.


No. I will try to spell it out in simple terms. I strongly believe that Corbyn represents a clear and present danger to this country for the many reasons outlined (including the antisemitism). Therefore, I have no qualms about people "weaponising" (as you put it) the truth against Corbyn if it helps keep him out of power. I would never be happy with a lie being weaponised against Corbyn or anyone else.

Some interesting points raised by Erasmus and IT. Agree with most of Erasmus's points in both of the above posts (except I see no reason to have a pop at Rowls and I can't agree that antisemitism is not a major issue - I believe Corbyn has allowed it to become a major issue).

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Postby Spijed » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:26 pm

android wrote:No. I will try to spell it out in simple terms. I strongly believe that Corbyn represents a clear and present danger to this country for the many reasons outlined (including the antisemitism). Therefore, I have no qualms about people "weaponising" (as you put it) the truth against Corbyn if it helps keep him out of power. I would never be happy with a lie being weaponised against Corbyn or anyone else.

Some interesting points raised by Erasmus and IT. Agree with most of Erasmus's points in both of the above posts (except I see no reason to have a pop at Rowls and I can't agree that antisemitism is not a major issue - I believe Corbyn has allowed it to become a major issue).


If one of the reasons Corbyn presents a danger is because of antisemitism, don't you find it a little odd that the vast majority of Jewish people in the UK still choose to vote Labour, even with him in charge?

I suspect they feel the Tory party has far more hatred within its ranks, and their voting patterns reflect this. Boris Johnson will do well to realise this.

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Postby Imploding Turtle » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:28 pm

Spijed wrote:If one of the reasons Corbyn presents a danger is because of antisemitism, don't you find it a little odd that the vast majority of Jewish people in the UK still choose to vote Labour, even with him in charge?

I suspect they feel the Tory party has far more hatred within its ranks, and their voting patterns reflect this. Boris Johnson will do well to realise this.


"It's worse elsewhere" isn't a valid defence.

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Postby taio » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:39 pm

Spijed wrote:If one of the reasons Corbyn presents a danger is because of antisemitism, don't you find it a little odd that the vast majority of Jewish people in the UK still choose to vote Labour, even with him in charge?


What are you basing this on?

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Postby RMutt » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"It's worse elsewhere" isn't a valid defence.


Of course not, but if we are applying different measuring standards to one party than to another, then it becomes an issue. No party will be perfect on any of this stuff but it seems the media only want Labour to be perfect on it. Then, blazing it all over the place affects people’s ability to make a sound choice. It is a classic smear campaign.
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Postby Imploding Turtle » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:20 pm

RMutt wrote:Of course not, but if we are applying different measuring standards to one party than to another, then it becomes an issue. No party will be perfect on any of this stuff but it seems the media only want Labour to be perfect on it. Then, blazing it all over the place affects people’s ability to make a sound choice. It is a classic smear campaign.


Yep. That's fair. It's a Karl Rove strategy. Accuse your opponent of your biggest flaw, and accuse them hard and repeatedly, and it won't really matter whether it's true or not, and when they point out your flaws it'll look like deflection.

Bush v Kerry, 2004. It then was successful for that party 12 years later.

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:44 pm

Erasmus wrote:If it be your will, I would have to disagree with you there. My intention was absolutely not to hurt. I deny that completely, and I would never say or write anything that aimed to hurt an opponent on a personal level. People disagree with me all the time and that doesn't hurt at all, and mostly it is not intended to; surely, you must see the difference between expressing a contrary view and attempting to belittle an opponent or suggest that the opponent is some way despicable. Absolutely different. You are quite wrong on that point, and I say that with no intention whatsoever to cause you personal suffering.

With regard to the more aggressive and abusive approaches, I would repeat that the desire to cause emotional distress to an opponent is a betrayal of left wing values. Hence when expressing a contrary view, one should go to great lengths to ensure that this does not happen. Paul Waine on this board is a good example of this method of debate. I disagree with almost everything he says, but I admire the way he expresses his views and that makes me more inclined to listen to them.

Secondly, it is a form of debate that is completely dysfunctional. You are not going to convince people by abusing them, just the opposite. Moreover, when you argue a case you are taking the position of a representative of that case and the way you project yourself will have an influence over the ability you have to persuade others. Not just the opponent but those who are viewing the discussion. If you come across as an abuser, a harsh voice filled with contempt, then that will inevitably weaken the effectiveness of your arguments in convincing others. As Gandhi said, 'Never think for one moment that the end is not shaped by the means.' Nothing good comes from hatred, contempt and animosity.

I think I've discovered the source of the confusion. You supposed my forthright attack on Android, was a personal attack on him.

That's where your mistake is. I don't know Android, I will never meet Android, I have no personal feelings of animosity, contempt or anything else towards Android. This is not particularly because I'm nice or anything, but because it would be entirely illogical to have such feelings. As an exchange of ideas and opinions, an anonymous messageboard is surely the least personal platform imaginable. I honestly do not even see the person behind any post, nor do I even attempt to. It simply wouldn't make sense for me to do so. As such, absolutely nothing I ever type on here can possibly, even theoretically, be 'personal'.

All I've got is the opinion and the ideas expressed: the words. And when it is revealed that the noble cause of antisemitism has been abused for reasons other than its cause, to gain a cynical political advantage, I will challenge it with the robustness and contempt it deserves, in a way that attracts the attention I believe it ought to, in a manner I consider most likely to bring a successful challenge.

You have different ways of getting your point across. We could debate the relative success of either method. I like mine, you like yours. Who knows which is the most successful?

And Android, if you were in any way upset on a personal level by anything I write on here, I suppose I should apologise. But I can't for the life of me understand why you would become upset by something an anonymous stranger on a meassageboard would say. This has never happened to me, so I really don't know how it feels in order to empathise properly!

(Do people really get genuinely upset on here? Then my God, why on earth do you contribute??)

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Postby android » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:15 pm

I was not upset IIBYW - pointless on here as you say. But no-one likes having their views misrepresented, as you did to me in post 49. Hopefully you understand my post 58 even if you obviously don't agree with it. My post 58 is not at all inconsistent with my original response to Spijed.

Btw I don't think you mean to call antisemitism a "noble cause" unless it was a Freudian slip! Or a moment of honesty from a Corbynista - Touche!

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Postby Erasmus » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:50 pm

There is indeed some confusion. I was making a very general comment with no one and no particular post in mind. I have never thought of you as a particularly aggressive poster. Most of what I said was based on personal experience of left-wing politics over the last fifty years or so and the way the Labour Party has changed in recent years.

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Postby thomaspaine » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:13 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Some shocking revelations ... any thoughts ?

At the risk of being called insensitive I feel strongly that the whole saga has been over emphasised.The right wing media seem overly keen to flog the issue whilst seemingly paying scant attention to racism within the Tory party.You would be hard pressed to find a more fair minded and culturally sensitive individual than Corbyn and he has said numerous times that such behaviour will not be tolerated in the Labour Party. PS Spare me any fool who mentions the old chestnuts about him being an Hamas and IRA supporter as well - more right wing bull ****.

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:38 pm

android wrote:The truth is that when the Corbyn antisemitism stuff all started to come out a few years ago I was primarily motivated by nailing Corbyn. I think his world view is a joke and the idea of him being our PM is ludicrous. His Marxism/Communism/Socialism (all bases covered by his closest team) can never work due to human nature and it has been proven over and over that capitalism (with a social conscience) is the least bad solution. On top of that, his world view is to blame the West for all the worlds ills and as a result he naturally sides with enemies of Britain (Russia, Iran etc), so it is unthinkable that he could actually be our Prime Minister.

So we're back to the words, not the humans behind them. That's good.

Okay Android. I will accept (what I consider to be) the semantic argument that the inclusion of the word 'primarily' allows for the possibility that a you might have also had a (more minor) concern for Jews, too. But however I look at it, this paragraph cannot be misinterpreted. You used the accusation of antisemitism to gain a separate political advantage, despite lower down in your post admitting you hadn't even given the antisemitism issue much consideration at the time.

This is crucially important for 2 reasons. First, it weakens the whole campaign against antisemitism when it is used for other purposes. As Graeber said on Twitter in response to Margaret Hodge clearly doing the same thing: Speaking as a Jew, let me say I consider your behavior so vile as to itself be anti-Semitic, since crying wolf like this for cynical political advantage means when the real anti-Semites start mobilizing no one will take the warnings seriously

And he's right. It is perfectly possible, especially looking at events across Europe, antisemitism could once again lead to mass murder. It should be seen as a very serious thing indeed. It absolutely should not be cheapened by use for other political advantage.

Second, these attacks have destroyed Corbyn. It has worked. You won. Corbyn will never be PM. Yet I, and many others on the left, know, with absolute certainty, dangerous antisemitism will never, ever come from the left. If there is one thing that never even gets past first base on the left, it is prejudice based on genetic makeup. You might claim this shows complacency, but it doesn't. No leftie will ever stand by and let this develop, least of all Corbyn. If antisemitism does ever take a mortal turn in the UK again, it will be the left, including myself, that will be the ones willing to die in order to stop it. That's because that's what the left is. Misusing the cause has defeated the one force that would never have let it happen, we now await what will come instead.

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Postby Clarets4me » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:56 pm

thomaspaine wrote:At the risk of being called insensitive I feel strongly that the whole saga has been over emphasised.The right wing media seem overly keen to flog the issue whilst seemingly paying scant attention to racism within the Tory party.You would be hard pressed to find a more fair minded and culturally sensitive individual than Corbyn and he has said numerous times that such behaviour will not be tolerated in the Labour Party. PS Spare me any fool who mentions the old chestnuts about him being an Hamas and IRA supporter as well - more right wing bull ****.


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Postby Paul Waine » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Hi guys, no, I didn't watch Panorama and, no I've not read any of this thread. Think this is the best place to share this one...

Dead Ringers, R4 today. Spoke about the Panorama prog and the Labour Party's NDAs. They mentioned an elderly party member. Said he'd signed an NDA 3 years ago - Jeremy Corbyn. Now we know why he's been silent! ;) :lol:

OK. You had to be there.

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:11 pm

thomaspaine wrote:At the risk of being called insensitive I feel strongly that the whole saga has been over emphasised.The right wing media seem overly keen to flog the issue whilst seemingly paying scant attention to racism within the Tory party.You would be hard pressed to find a more fair minded and culturally sensitive individual than Corbyn and he has said numerous times that such behaviour will not be tolerated in the Labour Party. PS Spare me any fool who mentions the old chestnuts about him being an Hamas and IRA supporter as well - more right wing bull ****.

I've always confidently known that it was only a matter of time before the anti-Corbyn antisemitism campaign committed flagrant over-reach. I think this Panorama episode will go down as that moment when it finally dawned on nearly everyone that the accusations of antisemitism levelled against Corbyn's team were largely concocted for political purposes. Social media is on fire - edited emails, witnesses that worked for the Israeli embassy, the history of the producer, the flawed analysis, together with lack of hard evidence to back any of it up. On this messageboard, too, it feels like the game is finally up. It has now run its course, I think. It might carry on here and there, but it will gain no more electoral advantage from here.

Who'd have thought, though, that it would be the BBC, that bastion of impartiality, that would be the ones to have committed the decisive over-reach? Actually, I think it was because it was the BBC that it was so decisive in its effect.

The only thing that was ever in question was whether the over-reach occured before or after Corbyn was mortally wounded? (After, sadly, in my opinion.)

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Postby If it be your will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:32 pm

I mean, look at this clip for instance:

https://twitter.com/evertonfc2/status/1 ... 2862460931

You thought something was dodgy about that Panorama episode? There was. Lots of things. Over-reach.

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Postby South West Claret. » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:19 am

If it be your will wrote:I mean, look at this clip for instance:

https://twitter.com/evertonfc2/status/1 ... 2862460931

You thought something was dodgy about that Panorama episode? There was. Lots of things. Over-reach.


Hasn’t this one been put to bed yet.

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Postby android » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:54 pm

Final post from me I hope:

That is some achievement IIBYW. You have gone from yet again lecturing me on my apparent lack of concern for Jews (due to you continuing to misunderstand my post) to one hour later spreading dirt (you not me) on a Jewish victim of antisemitism in the Labour party - lovely.

The Jewish woman you targeted said she would like to fight one of Corbyn's anti-Semitic friends (Walker in this case). It follows that the whole idea of Corbyn's antisemitism problem is a hoax. Nice one.

It's quite possible that the woman is a phony - but all of them - give over. Put it this way, would you be surprised if one of Jimmy Savile's victims wanted to give him a good kicking? Would you then conclude that the whole abuse scandal was a hoax? Of course not, it is desperate.

It is also ironic that you are claiming things have been taken out of context against Corbyn and yet here you are repeatedly doing that to me. So I will try one last time to explain my post that got you excited. I said at the outset that the greater threat to the country (the bigger picture) at the time that the antisemitism claims FIRST came out would be a Corbyn government. He was known to have anti-Semitic friends (here and abroad) for a long time but that did not seem like a large scale threat to our Jewish residents because it appeared to be confined to a few cranks like him and he was nowhere near power. So my point was never that antisemitism didn't matter. But Corbyn was clearly associated with antisemitism so I was happy for this truth to be "weaponised" against him. Get rid of him and you can largely eliminate what then seemed a small problem (now we know it is a much bigger problem) but also remove the massive threat of economic chaos (the primary objective at the time). You don't have to agree with my view but do you finally get my point now?

You have inadvertently hit the nail on the head when you point out the strong opposition to all forms of racism on the left. It is this moral certainty (the left are better people as Turtle put it) that is part of the reason the problem has arisen. If you are a minority in Britain you cannot possibly have anything to fear from the left. So if you are a Jew you are fine...as long as...you don't support ANYTHING done by the Israeli government, don't even think about a job at the Israeli embassy (one of the above mentioned woman's crimes apparently), don't be associated with any of the Jews that control the global media, don't be associated with the Jews who control global finance (like the hook nosed ones in the mural), don't be a British Jew who doesn't understand our irony and is not like us (Corbyn), don't try to ban or stop me hanging out with Holocaust deniers or people who want to obliterate Israel from the face of the earth oh and better not hang out with any Tories either...but apart from that you will be absolutely fine and have nothing to fear. (This is why it is appropriate to refer to "Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party", as the antisemitism may have existed in the party before he became leader but they didn't then have a leader who is a figurehead for tolerance of antisemitism).

I think most people see that Corbyn is a big part of the problem but a minority will continue to agree with you IIBYW whatever happens.

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Postby If it be your will » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:12 pm

android wrote:It's quite possible that the woman is a phony - but all of them - give over. Put it this way, would you be surprised if one of Jimmy Savile's victims wanted to give him a good kicking? Would you then conclude that the whole abuse scandal was a hoax?


Maybe they're not all phoney's. It's difficult to know when people are using antisemitsm allegations 'primarily to nail Corbyn' for being a Marxist, as you did.

I'd be equally cross with someone that wanted to have a go at Savile for some other reason, but cynically concocted a story that they'd been sexually abused by him instead. Because this would cheapen the accounts of those that really had been abused by him. (I would hope nobody would stoop this low, though, to be honest.)

(Jackie Walker, the one you labelled as an anti-Semite, is Jewish, by the way. I believe the correct phrase for those wanting to 'nail Corbyn' and his supporters in these circumstances - when the supposed perpetrator is actually Jewish themselves - is 'self-hating Jew' rather than 'anti-Semite'. That's how vicious those merely wanting to 'nail Corbyn' have got.)


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