For me it has to be JBG.
The lad is **** poor on a good day.

Tyrone Mears for England anyone?

bartons baggage wrote:For me it has to be JBG.
The lad is **** poor on a good day.

Ridiculous post.

Paul Stewart.

bartons baggage wrote:For me it has to be JBG.
The lad is **** poor on a good day.

Well I suppose we are all entitled to an opinion but I think I could produce a list into three figures of players I’ve seen play for us who are/were not as good as JBG.

Nick Pickering

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Going off some of the posts idolising him - Steven Defour, sadly.

I’ve even seen posts on here saying he’s the best player to have played for us since we last won the league

Vegas Claret wrote:Nick Pickering

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Was he the scottish keeper? He sprung to mind... Other than him Adam Blacklaw.nicky walker?

Quicknick wrote:Ridiculous post.

Not really the lad is robbing a living.
Can't tackle.
always cuts back instead of crossing.
his stats for last season are shite.
https://www.premierleague.com/players/6 ... sson/stats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Says it all.

“Can’t tackle”

Tackling. Just what you want from a winger.

Swizzlestick wrote:“Can’t tackle”

Tackling. Just what you want from a winger.

Well call me old fashioned,but no matter where you play,you have got to be able to tackle an opponent.

Vegas Claret wrote:Nick Pickering

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Just because everyone thought you were complete shoite, doesn't mean you can't still be over-rated. Take a bow Nick Prickering!

I rarely criticise ex players btw.

UTC!

tim_noone wrote:Was he the scottish keeper? He sprung to mind... Other than him Adam Blacklaw.nicky walker?

Nick Pickering, a keeper?

Well... he'd have been about as effective there, I suppose.

Tim Loon strikes again, folks.

so when you wrote "Ever" you want it condensing to our current crop of players ? and you single out a Burnley footballer who plies his trade in the highest league in the land ! Incredible.
Many of us have endured utter rubbish served up in the bottom division, and witnessed the most un athletic, talentless, apathetic slobs imaginable in Burnley shirts, and you choose JBG !!!!!

David Jones easily. Exceptionally limited ability, 1 footed 2 yard passing sideways or backwards excuse of a player if ever there was one.

Ian Moore

Wile E Coyote wrote:so when you wrote "Ever" you want it condensing to our current crop of players ? and you single out a Burnley footballer who plies his trade in the highest league in the land ! Incredible.
Many of us have endured utter rubbish served up in the bottom division, and witnessed the most un athletic, talentless, apathetic slobs imaginable in Burnley shirts, and you choose JBG !!!!!

Yeah i do, he shuts his eyes in 50/50 challenges,also check the link i posted,his stats are very poor for an attacking player.

Right_winger wrote:David Jones easily. Exceptionally limited ability, 1 footed 2 yard passing sideways or backwards excuse of a player if ever there was one.

I can only assume you mean the tall black lad, that we had up front in the late eighties.

The other one was excellent for us and a key player in TWO promotions.

You can tell how old posters are by the names mentioned in their posts.

For me, and I endured the 4th division days, it could be Tony Hancock.

We also made a huge deal about signing Liam Robinson in 1994 for our then record fee of £250K.

fidelcastro wrote:I can only assume you mean the tall black lad, that we had up front in the late eighties.

The other one was excellent for us and a key player in TWO promotions.

Nope I mean the big eared waste of space who run around in the middle of the park for us doing the square route of FA. created next to nothing, couldn’t take a player on, didn’t attempt any challenges or put himself about. All he could do was put himself between the ball and another player and make short passes to nearby teammates usually behind him. Utter donkey

bartons baggage wrote:Yeah i do, he shuts his eyes in 50/50 challenges,also check the link i posted,his stats are very poor for an attacking player.

there is no point in that statement, and no validity in your thinking. Your are WRONG .

Right_winger wrote:Nope I mean the big eared waste of space who run around in the middle of the park for us doing the square route of FA. created next to nothing, couldn’t take a player on, didn’t attempt any challenges or put himself about. All he could do was put himself between the ball and another player and make short passes to nearby teammates usually behind him. Utter donkey

Yet Sean Dyche felt it necessary to keep him in the team during those two promotions

Have they let you out for the weekend?

Right_winger wrote:David Jones easily. Exceptionally limited ability, 1 footed 2 yard passing sideways or backwards excuse of a player if ever there was one.

You have just shown your lack of football knowledge.
David Jones Was class.

If anyone actually rated the OP then he would be the most over rated poster on this forum (EVER).

Ian Moore is a good shout although I’m not sure who or how many ‘rated him’.

Plenty rated Martin Paterson. For me, he was hugely overrated (goal at Reading aside).

bartons baggage wrote:You have just shown your lack of football knowledge.
David Jones Was class.

Why what did he do? What attributes has he actually got? Runs around doing nothing. Always got found out and shifted on for peanuts/free because he was so great.

bartons baggage wrote:Not really the lad is robbing a living.
Can't tackle.
always cuts back instead of crossing.
his stats for last season are shite.
https://www.premierleague.com/players/6 ... sson/stats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Says it all.

His stats for last season are shite?

Last season JBG played 1,743 minutes in which time he scored 3 and assisted 6, so a goal involvement of one every 194 minutes or just under one every two games.

By comparison, McNeil played 1,590 minutes with 3 goals and 5 assists, so a goal involvement of one every 199 minutes.

Wile E Coyote wrote:there is no point in that statement, and no validity in your thinking. Your are WRONG .

No i'm not, look at the stats.
Iv'e watched Burnley for years,and no matter what level we've been at i can't recall a winger as poor as JBG.

Wile E Coyote wrote:...the most un athletic, talentless, apathetic slobs imaginable ....

Brilliant. You tell 'em, Wile E. Because you're quite right, actually.

fidelcastro wrote:Yet Sean Dyche felt it necessary to keep him in the team during those two promotions

Have they let you out for the weekend?

Not exactly a good argument. Sean Dyche also purchased Juke and Sordell A’s first team players. Pair of them were lethal. Still I bet they hit the numbers for running around in training and were good in the dressing room. Shame they were also very poor aswell on par with Jones just not rated as highly by some though.

Right_winger wrote:Not exactly a good argument. Sean Dyche also purchased Juke and Sordell A’s first team players. Pair of them were lethal. Still I bet they hit the numbers for running around in training and were good in the dressing room. Shame they were also very poor aswell on par with Jones just not rated as highly by some though.

You still haven't answered why David Jones played in most of those games when we won two promotions. You simply made an irrelevant point about two players who were signed after promotion, and weren't regular starters.

I'll give you a clue... most of us on here know the answer and it's not because he was an "excuse of a player".

[quote="Right_winger"]Not exactly a good argument. Sean Dyche also purchased Juke and Sordell A’s first team players. Pair of them were lethal. Still I bet they hit the numbers for running around in training and were good in the dressing room. Shame they were also very poor aswell on par with Jones just not rated as highly by some though.[/quote

Talking **** lad.

Marlon Beresford. He was linked with a big club, a national cap (maybe U21 or england B or something) then signed for middlesbro of all teams for half a million quid. He was an okay keeper in his early days, when we were shite. I dunno how true it is, but as a kid I was told he was almost sold for a million pounds to a top division side [derby maybe?] (we were division three, or whatever it was called at the time - was it Waddle season?) and my little brain could not compute such a figure for a burnley player.

bartons baggage wrote:For me it has to be JBG.
The lad is **** poor on a good day.

Are you blind?

Right_winger wrote:Nope I mean the big eared waste of space who run around in the middle of the park for us doing the square route of FA. created next to nothing, couldn’t take a player on, didn’t attempt any challenges or put himself about. All he could do was put himself between the ball and another player and make short passes to nearby teammates usually behind him. Utter donkey

IDIOT!

Paul Weller I never understood the fuss others made.
JBG is a class player and an excellent crosser and provider of goal assists
I also dont understand the obsession with wingers tracking back.Our problems last year came from everyone being back defending with the consequences that when we did play the ball upfield it came straight back.The best form of defence is attack as the opposition cant score if you are in their half

Right_winger wrote:Nope I mean the big eared waste of space who run around in the middle of the park for us doing the square route of FA. created next to nothing, couldn’t take a player on, didn’t attempt any challenges or put himself about. All he could do was put himself between the ball and another player and make short passes to nearby teammates usually behind him. Utter donkey

You do get some dumb posts on here.

bartons baggage wrote:For me it has to be JBG.
The lad is **** poor on a good day.

Were you born stupid or do you have to get up early to practise

Steve1956 wrote:Paul Stewart.

Have to agree .

Gabor Kiraly.

Someone is clearly fishing with Dave the assist machine Jones


Back to topic........
absolutely 100% Ashley Barnes..... only rated because he works hard / fights folk a bit like Dean Marney... zero ability but gets away with murder because of his application to the Burnley cause

In my view I don’t think you are too far wrong with JBG. Certainly nowhere near the worst we’ve had but overrated, possibly,

Reading this thread, he is clearly ‘rated’ by many but his quantifiable contribution is pretty bang average.

He doesn’t score or assist.
Doesn’t have pace.
Very rarely beats his man.
Not so sure he’s great defensively.

I can’t think what his main attribute is if I’m totally honest, it’s certainly not his numbers.

Wayne Thomas... luckily it was Southampton that over rated him.

fidelcastro wrote:You still haven't answered why David Jones played in most of those games when we won two promotions. You simply made an irrelevant point about two players who were signed after promotion, and weren't regular starters.

I'll give you a clue... most of us on here know the answer and it's not because he was an "excuse of a player".

Jones played because Dyche is poor at recruitment and he runs around a lot hitting set targets for effort. In a footballing sense Jones never done much at all. No creativity, didn’t put himself about and get stuck in. Had a **** poor goal scoring record aswell for a midfielder. All the real stats are there. Every club he’s been at he’s lost his place and been shifted on cheaply.

Go on then what is it? You still refuse to answer. There’s a few people on here who are good at rambling on with no substance.

Also there’s a few people on here who need to remove their heads from Dyche’s rear end.

Never quite got the Chris McCann love in thing personally...despite his allegedly awesome start to the first Prem campaign.

All opinions...,I thought he was a fairly clumsy league one level midfielder. Watching him play I always thought, if anything, he'd have been better at centre half.

You can't call JBG overrated. He was signed for minimal outlay from an already relegated Charlton. What, did you think he was Pele?

He's not a world beater by any stretch but he's far outperformed any expectations we've had of him AND he's spent the best part of 2 years recovering from injuries.

Thirdly, no he can't really tackle (because, you know, he's a winger) but he tracks back and puts players under pressure with a diligence I've never seen given his limited defensive qualities

Some eye opening contributions but I do agree with the Chris McCann shout. Never quite got it with him.

Yep. Another shout for McCann I’m afraid. Had a very good season and a half when he looked decent, but it was the other 8.5 (ish) seasons where people kept going on about how good he was going to be that puzzled me. As fatboy says, a bit clumsy looking and zero pace.

As an aside, can’t believe anyone would suggest DJ and JBG in this category.

bartons baggage wrote:Not really the lad is robbing a living.
Can't tackle.
always cuts back instead of crossing.
his stats for last season are shite.
https://www.premierleague.com/players/6 ... sson/stats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Says it all.

So he is involved in a goal more than 1 game in 4 and we can expect success in 10 games of the new season (assuming he plays every game). If all our midfield do that we will have a great season.

KlyBfc wrote:Someone is clearly fishing with Dave the assist machine Jones


Back to topic........
absolutely 100% Ashley Barnes..... only rated because he works hard / fights folk a bit like Dean Marney... zero ability but gets away with murder because of his application to the Burnley cause

‘Zero ability’ Absolute nonsense.