England v New Zealand

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England v New Zealand

Postby WestMidsClaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:48 am

Today's the day then, the cricket world cup final. If we play like we have for the past 3 games we will win yes!?
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Hibsclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:48 am

Yes

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby SalisburyClaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:50 am

It’s coming home

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby RVclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:51 am

Currently raining at Lords but meant to dry up within the next hour.

Could be good to go against the trend and bowl first...thoughts?

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby jdrobbo » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:55 am

Come on boys!!

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Local cricketer » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:59 am

Only one game happening today and that's Crompton v Burnley. Can keep your world cup rubbish

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby WestMidsClaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:07 am

RVclaret wrote:Currently raining at Lords but meant to dry up within the next hour.

Could be good to go against the trend and bowl first...thoughts?


I'm not sure what the answer is tbh but we haven't chased well in this world cup. Saying that we game managed brilliantly against Australia. If I had to choose and ignoring the conditions then I'd be batting first and trying to set the tempo. Let NZ have what will be a nervy chase.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby MDWat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:14 am

Deffo winning this. Come on England!

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Foulthrow » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:24 am

Is it available online? Only when C4 goes to F1 I can’t get it in HD.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Spijed » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:29 am

If the game can't be completed, due to the weather, would England win due to a better run rate or head-to-head?

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:32 am

Spijed wrote:If the game can't be completed, due to the weather, would England win due to a better run rate or head-to-head?

Best of 3 at darts in the long room.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby hampsteadclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:36 am

Been a bit damp round here, still looks ‘dampish’ at Lords
- I think we will put them in if we win the toss.
I fancy Root will do well today, hanging around steadily while one or two of the big hitters come off ?... Bairstow or Buttler perhaps..? Archer to upset their batsmen badly.

Will Guptill get some this time ? Williamson is a very canny cricketer isn’t he?... NZ batting is a bit fragile and this is where we will win it I think.

Ideally it’s a close game (280-300 each ) with us winning by a handful.

A great opportunity to grow the great game today with a big new audience watching on TV including loads of curious youngsters... well done Sky for sharing it, Sky could benefit substantially if its a good match, with the Ashes just around the corner.

Come on England !

6.. I’m sure the local cricketer can explain clearly why he thinks the World Cup is rubbish.

Re the weather..it has been raining lightly in St John’s Wood but the forecast is decent so the game should finish today.
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby LeadBelly » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:40 am

Looks like the weather will be dull & coolish for the first few hours with decent humidity. It has to be tempting to bowl first and bat in the warmer/ sunnier later afternoon hours.
Boult (especially) could be a handfull in the early overs. There've been quite a lot of big games in the past at Lords starting 10.30 where the side batting first in a one-dayer have pretty much lost the game in the first hour.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby hampsteadclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:45 am

13.. yes that Final at Lords where Lancashire’s Chappell skittled half of the opposition for not many, before midday.

- pretty sure it was Essex.
We were there that day, we were in the pub a bit early.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:52 am

Come on England

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby MACCA » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:53 am

A win for me.

I hope bumble has a few slots on the commentary team, I've missed his enthusiasm and quickly catch phrases.

Now its England in the final I hope they do away with the box ticking type commentary people they've used.
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Longside4evr » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:54 am

I think we should go into bat first we were phenomenal at Edgbaston but saying that so was the bowlers
Still this is how we beat them at the riverside and clocked up 305 runs with N/Z just 186 all out off 45 overs
Come on England win the toss and get batting

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claretburns » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:16 am

New Zealand to bat

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claret wizard » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:18 am

Good toss to lose I think. Pressure on NZ to do somethinf after choosing.
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Steve1956 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:21 am

Come on England bring it home,along with Roger & Lewis and today will be just dandy.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:30 am

Delayed start - now 10:45

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby JohnDearyMe » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:32 am

All this build up is a bit OTT on the tv

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Longside4evr » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:38 am

Wish this was at Edgbaston this crowd needs to replicate that atmosphere we had their

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claretburns » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:39 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:All this build up is a bit OTT on the tv


Same as football when Burnley or England are involved, the build up just makes me more nervous, I have no work this week but I think 10:30 is a little early to have a beer to calm the nerves, hopefully Woakes and Archer can start the same as on Thursday and get 3/4 wickets in the first 10 overs.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:42 am

No Haka?

A war dance with bats and stumps would be quite intimidating.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claret wizard » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:48 am

They should level the playing surface at Lords. Too much of an equaliser for visiting teams.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby JohnMac » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:50 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:It’s coming home


It's never been 'Home' :lol:

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:50 am

claret wizard wrote:They should level the playing surface at Lords. Too much of an equaliser for visiting teams.


Sorry, don’t follow that logic.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Buxtonclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:58 am

Oh well.
Good review

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby ClaretDiver » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:58 am

Crikey, 2 given, 2 not given lol!

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby NL Claret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:00 am

Wicket looks a bit green.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:03 am

Archer needs to take the handbrake off.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Bosscat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:07 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Archer needs to take the handbrake off.

Let him bowl down the slope

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby ClaretDiver » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:14 am

Finally.....

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Bosscat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:14 am

Guptil gone great

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:16 am

Shocking review. Not that i’m complaining.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Longside4evr » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:16 am

Just when we needed a wicket Guptil gone real do

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby RVclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:17 am

Excellent bowling from Woakes. Jofra needs to match his length, been too short so far.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:17 am

We’ve done ok here but probably needed that wicket.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Bangers&Mash » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:21 am

Would be an interesting rule change if they had to explain their review.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Buxtonclaret » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:29 am

Building up the pressure well here.
Just short of another wicket.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:59 am

Bangers&Mash wrote:Would be an interesting rule change if they had to explain their review.


Not sure what you mean by that but is a bowler allowed to ask an umpire if they think s batsmen has got an edge before reviewing a LBW?

For example a bowler may feel a batter is plumb LBW but knowing why an umpire had given it not out would they may think fair enough and not waste a review.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby box_of_frogs » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:00 pm

Not good if Stokes has done his calf.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Goalposts » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:01 pm

England win rate at lords is pretty poor i'm sure its only circa 45%

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Sarum » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:02 pm

It might be interesting to measure the elapse of time typically taken between

1. the fielding team celebrating the umpire's original LBW decision,
2. the batsmen's conversation whether or not to appeal,
3. the TV replays of 1) the bowler's foot position, the 2) the two stages of deciding whether there's been contact with the bat and 3) following the ball's trajectory towards/around the wicket.
4. The umpire making a final decision.

In football one of the objections to VAR is that there's too much of a delay in confirming a good goal to stand and that this dampens/spoils the crowd's enjoyment/celebration. Was there a similar feeling in cricket when video replays were first introduced? If so has it gradually become more appreciated and enjoyed in its own way, maybe?

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claretburns » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:07 pm

Sarum wrote:It might be interesting to measure the elapse of time typically taken between

1. the fielding team celebrating the umpire's original LBW decision,
2. the batsmen's conversation whether or not to appeal,
3. the TV replays of 1) the bowler's foot position, the 2) the two stages of deciding whether there's been contact with the bat and 3) following the ball's trajectory towards/around the wicket.
4. The umpire making a final decision.

In football one of the objections to VAR is that there's too much of a delay in confirming a good goal to stand and that this dampens/spoils the crowd's enjoyment/celebration. Was there a similar feeling in cricket when video replays were first introduced? If so has it gradually become more appreciated and enjoyed in its own way, maybe?


I think the difference is that even after the stages you mentioned have been checked it is still only 2 minutes maximum on most occasions and with LBW or catch dispute the rules are black and white, they is no interpretation whereas with VAR there could be 5+ minutes checking the replays and at the end it is still down to the referees interpretation on the day.
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:09 pm

Sarum wrote:It might be interesting to measure the elapse of time typically taken between

1. the fielding team celebrating the umpire's original LBW decision,
2. the batsmen's conversation whether or not to appeal,
3. the TV replays of 1) the bowler's foot position, the 2) the two stages of deciding whether there's been contact with the bat and 3) following the ball's trajectory towards/around the wicket.
4. The umpire making a final decision.

In football one of the objections to VAR is that there's too much of a delay in confirming a good goal to stand and that this dampens/spoils the crowd's enjoyment/celebration. Was there a similar feeling in cricket when video replays were first introduced? If so has it gradually become more appreciated and enjoyed in its own way, maybe?


Cricket is a totally different game to football so any delays in using technology are not a concern as they are in football.
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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby wilks_bfc » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:12 pm

claretburns wrote:I think the difference is that even after the stages you mentioned have been checked it is still only 2 minutes maximum on most occasions and with LBW or catch dispute the rules are black and white, they is no interpretation whereas with VAR there could be 5+ minutes checking the replays and at the end it is still down to the referees interpretation on the day.



I mentioned this on the VAR thread during the Women’s WC.

VAR is only supposed to be for “clear & obvious” errors.
Decisions were taking far too long. If somebody cannot make a decision after 2 replays of each angle then to me it cannot be clear & obvious

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby claret wizard » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:13 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Sorry, don’t follow that logic.


Hussain was explaining that Jimmy hadn’t worked out what his best end was at Lords. Our win rate is really low. Even with a home advantage the slope puts so many variables into the game that we struggle to master it. Similar to a poor pitch at football. It’s harder to play on and acts as an equaliser between good and poor teams. Even a poor bowler will get something out of the Lords pitch. When you talking in very small % difference between the teams, the slope can drag a good bowler down and push a good bowler up (or visa versa). But it’s a variable that could be removed. So hence my comment on the sloppy pitch being an equaliser.

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Re: England v New Zealand

Postby Foulthrow » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:13 pm

Get Rashid off.


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