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Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:33 pm
by box_of_frogs
MACCA wrote:Oh dear.

0 from 4 looks likely now.

Yup. :cry:

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:33 pm
by expoultryboy
I wish that female commentator would shut up

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:34 pm
by ClaretTony
Clearly second favourites now. Think this will be very difficult to win now.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:34 pm
by box_of_frogs
expoultryboy wrote:I wish that female commentator would shut up

Agreed!

At least we have some power players still to come. All not lost yet.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:34 pm
by claretburns
Game over now I think, New Zealand bowlers have been superb.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:35 pm
by kentonclaret
CT

Win Predictor says 60% England 40% NZ

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:36 pm
by MACCA
Bairstow nearly plays on a couple of times an innings to be fair, hes got lucky twice this innings a lone.

We are too impatient when chasing it seems

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:36 pm
by ClaretTony
Difficult to get momentum and they batted at just over four per over all the way through. We are fast approaching six per over.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:36 pm
by Steve1956
Jos will come in and blast us to victory.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by BigChaCha
Only in England would we produce a pitch that completely suits the opposition style of play perfectly!

And this is not hindsight, I was saying this as soon as I saw it.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by Mondsley
Tough but still winnable. I have turned the sound down as Ganguly is doing my head in!!!

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by kentonclaret
Bairstow got away with 2 inside edges on to stumps against India and also 1 against NZ before dragging on.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by ClaretTony
kentonclaret wrote:CT

Win Predictor says 60% England 40% NZ


Shows how much a computer knows. Would you say it’s 60% England?

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by Hibsclaret
Absolute top notch bowling. Bairstow was unlucky there because at least he was keeping the scoreboard ticking whilst adapting his normal game to the great bowling. Root lost the plot.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by Herts Clarets
Bloody Yorkshiremen giving their wickets away....

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
by Tall Paul
I'd still take England to win at evens

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:39 pm
by CleggHall
Root put England in trouble, 7 runs off 30 balls is appalling.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:39 pm
by Hibsclaret
Could be Buttlers day today I hope

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:40 pm
by ClaretTony
Tall Paul wrote:I'd still take England to win at evens


I’m not sure getting 167 from 174 balls is very likely on this wicket.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:42 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
My post of 25 June, when we were playing the Aussies, could well come back to haunt me ---I sincerely hope not!!

"It doesn't matter which sport ---this is another World Cup that England are not going to win."

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:42 pm
by MACCA
BigChaCha wrote:Only in England would we produce a pitch that completely suits the opposition style of play perfectly!

And this is not hindsight, I was saying this as soon as I saw it.


Why they keep playing these crucial games at Lords I'll never know.

It levels the playing field up too much for the opposition in terms of wicket and crowd. It's hardy home advantage.


Our win rate is also poor here.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:43 pm
by MDWat
We bat deeper than them and bigger than them. I’m still confident.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:44 pm
by Hibsclaret
It’s very much 50/50

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:45 pm
by box_of_frogs
MACCA wrote:Why they keep playing these crucial games at Lords I never know.

It levels the playing field up for the opposition in terms of wicket and crowd.

A win rate is also poor here.

Spot on! We should be at Edgbaston.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:46 pm
by joey13
England still just favourites with bookies

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:46 pm
by Hibsclaret
You can’t expect to win a World Cup final easily. Will have to do it the hard way.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:48 pm
by Steve1956
Keep the faith boys we will win this.!

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:49 pm
by kentonclaret
CT

Didn't say I agreed with it I was just posting what the computer indicated.

As for the pitch I have watched most games and, shall we say, they have at least been consistent in getting slower as the game goes on. Hardly any of the pitches have been up to standard which is why there have been low scores and very few teams chasing scores down.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:50 pm
by Goalposts
BigChaCha wrote:Only in England would we produce a pitch that completely suits the opposition style of play perfectly!

And this is not hindsight, I was saying this as soon as I saw it.


Its not the pitch setup .its lords we have the best batting line up in the world but play the final on the all time leveller square which is lords

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:50 pm
by ClaretTony
MACCA wrote:Why they keep playing these crucial games at Lords I'll never know.


I can’t imagine they’d ever play it anywhere else when it’s being held here. It’s considered the head quarters of the game worldwide.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:50 pm
by MACCA
Start the car Smith

Morgan flops... again

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:51 pm
by ClaretTony
Four down - Morgan gone

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:51 pm
by Hibsclaret
Great catch. Not 50/50 now

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
Great catch in the circumstances. England under pressure again ---looks like the same old story ----and I am the eternal optimist!

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by theroyaldyche
Nz to win this comfortably

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by Bosscat
They say catches win matches and that fellers was a helluva catch

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by Goalposts
Win rate at lords is less than 45%

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by joey13
What happened to fearless cricket?

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by Vino blanco
I've said it many times throughput the tournament, we don't handle the pressure.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:53 pm
by Hibsclaret
This is muck or nettles now as my old man used to say

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:53 pm
by Murger
Bottle jobs.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:53 pm
by Longside4evr
I feel sick we just haven't been at the races
N/Z have played brilliant no excuses we have to really dig in now

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:54 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Not looking good, is it?

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:57 pm
by Goalposts
England play well when the ball comes on. The ball is holding up and hard to get away..its a nurdle the ball around for singles pitch...we dont play like that

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:57 pm
by MACCA
Not been great at chasing anyway, and under this pressure with this scoreboard, I cant see us pulling it round.
Stokes is the only one in any sort of form.

Butler hasn't had a knock yet, and you can only really ask for 50 from our last 4 ( if overs dont run out )

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:00 pm
by ClaretTony
I think that win predictor must be a big England fan, it still only has NZ at 51%.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:02 pm
by CaptainKirk
Heard we were good st cricket and it’s on tv so thought I would tune in.
My god, we are as bad at this as we are at football and rugby etc!
And whose idea is the bloody music!!!!

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:04 pm
by Billy Balfour
This is going from us. I agree on the music - it's trash.

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:04 pm
by NL Claret
ClaretTony wrote:I think that win predictor must be a big England fan, it still only has NZ at 51%.


The bookies disagree. 8/13 NZ 13/10 England

Re: England v New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:05 pm
by Hibsclaret
This really is the key wicket. If these are still in by the 35th we have a chance.