Maguire goes to United

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:38 pm

Leicester officially denied the story an hour ago apparently.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:05 pm

Utd need to sort out their CM issues whilst they're at it.

Maguire and Lindelof could be a decent pairing, but we shall see.

Meanwhile they've got Jones and Smalling sat there on relatively new contracts haven't they?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Does anybody outside of Burnley consider Tarkowski to be better than Maguire? There is a reason why he is chosen to start for England and why he is being signed by Manchester United.

Correct. Tarks is right side and Maguire is left.
It was mentioned above that Maguire and Lindelhof would make a good partnership. Both left sided so they‘ll work as well as Mee & Gibson according to some on here.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Does anybody outside of Burnley consider Tarkowski to be better than Maguire? There is a reason why he is chosen to start for England and why he is being signed by Manchester United.

There was a reason why Phil Jones was signed by Utd and was starting for England, but we are still waiting to find out what the reason was.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:03 pm

I think leicester will go for both Tarks and Dunk

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:08 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:There was a reason why Phil Jones was signed by Utd and was starting for England, but we are still waiting to find out what the reason was.

163 Appearances for Man Utd, 27 England caps, Premier League winner, FA Cup winner and Europa League winner.

Easy to mock him but if Tarks gets close to that career he will have done brilliantly and Im sure Burnley fans would be proud

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Leicester are making some serious profits on player sales. Good model to follow?

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:25 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Leicester are making some serious profits on player sales. Good model to follow?

Follow??...........Player trading has been a necessary element of the way we operate since Bob Lord was a lad.

Even in the last set of accounts profit on player sales accounted for £31m of the overall £45m net profit.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:35 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Leicester are making some serious profits on player sales. Good model to follow?

Just need to find a rich owner..

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:163 Appearances for Man Utd, 27 England caps, Premier League winner, FA Cup winner and Europa League winner.

Easy to mock him but if Tarks gets close to that career he will have done brilliantly and Im sure Burnley fans would be proud

216 appearances in 8 years, so he's played under half of all their games in his time there.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Follow??...........Player trading has been a necessary element of the way we operate since Bob Lord was a lad.

Even in the last set of accounts profit on player sales accounted for £31m of the overall £45m net profit.

Leicester have made the thick end of £150million on Kante, Mahrez and Maguire,
Finding Kante and Mahrez has to be seen as incredible scouting

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Clearly not for spijed

But he's right about Maguires lack of positional sense, as is the other poster about him being slow on the turn, but great going forward & doesn't often waste a pass

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:216 appearances in 8 years, so he's played under half of all their games in his time there.

Yep he's not one of their star players but you have to be a good player and a good pro to last that long at a club like Man Utd whilst averaging 20 games per season (plus he's had a fair few injury issues)

Like I said if Tarks gets near Jones career he will have done amazing and Burnley fans would be proud

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yep he's not one of their star players but you have to be a good player and a good pro to last that long at a club like Man Utd whilst averaging 20 games per season (plus he's had a fair few injury issues)

Like I said if Tarks gets near Jones career he will have done amazing and Burnley fans would be proud

So he's basically their current John O'Shea or Wes Brown.
Nowt special, but a good squad player.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So he's basically their current John O'Shea or Wes Brown.
Nowt special, but a good squad player.

Pretty much but that IMO is a level above being first choice for Burnley like Mee and Tarks.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Tarkowski is better than O Shea and Brown.

With regards to Jones, I think he was bought at 20 million for potential and he’s never improved- gone worse if anything. Yes he won a title, but that was probably by playing ten games in a season being blooded into the side.

Yes he’s played for United, but he’s one of the many reasons they’ve been a second rate side for the last five years.

SirAlec · Post by **SirAlec** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:50 pm

I remember when jones first signed for United, what was he 19? Looked the real deal but never progressed and like mentioned earlier has probably become more of a liability. He’s a good squad player but should not be starting for a club like untied.

Magurie isn’t worth £80m and it’s only the fact I can’t stand united that I’m glad they’re spunking there money away on a very good but not even close to world class defender.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:19 pm

If true he's been bought by Man U for 80 million then the games gone mad. But we know that. English players go for a premium we know but here Utd have been rinsed. Maguire is ok but there's little between him and our CB's

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:47 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Everton are after him now.

Everton after Tarkowski? They can have him for £30m. Plus Keane.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:36 am

dsr wrote:Everton after Tarkowski? They can have him for £30m. Plus Keane.

Everton seem to be after many players. Good idea though Keane to us and a cash adjustment in our favour.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:41 am

Winstonswhite wrote:Tarkowski is better than O Shea and Brown.

Debatable. Massively debatable.

What is unarguable though is that Brown and O’Shea has careers that Tarkowski can only dream of.

Medals won, international caps, tournaments played in, Champions League nights ..... There’s just no comparison.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:45 am

SirAlec wrote:I remember when jones first signed for United, what was he 19? Looked the real deal but never progressed and like mentioned earlier has probably become more of a liability. He’s a good squad player but should not be starting for a club like untied.

Ferguson once said Jones would become Manchester United's greatest ever player. I think he must have been on some very expensive wine that day.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:54 am

ClaretTony wrote:Ferguson once said Jones would become Manchester United's greatest ever player. I think he must have been on some very expensive wine that day.

Or very cheap cider

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:55 am

ClaretTony wrote:Ferguson once said Jones would become Manchester United's greatest ever player. I think he must have been on some very expensive wine that day.

Or very cheap cider

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:57 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Or very cheap cider

Ferguson on cheap cider?

I remember Stan telling me which wine he preferred and how much it cost. It was frightening.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:00 am

Jones's injuries ended some of his potential.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:06 am

ClaretTony wrote:Ferguson once said Jones would become Manchester United's greatest ever player. I think he must have been on some very expensive wine that day.

He did look a fantastic prospect at the time.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:17 am

Socrates wrote:Debatable. Massively debatable.

What is unarguable though is that Brown and O’Shea has careers that Tarkowski can only dream of.

Medals won, international caps, tournaments played in, Champions League nights ..... There’s just no comparison.

Exactly this. Wes Brown was a very good player. Given the United dominance at that time and the way that Fergie would very quickly get rid of players he deemed not good enough there is no way he would have played Brown as much as he did and kept him for that long if he didn’t think he was a very good player. O’Shea the same - plus he was Ireland’s best player for ages.
Tarks is not even close to both of these players - yet.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:47 am

80 Million for him? Don't be ridiculous

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:16 pm

Just to put it in context, by the time Brown was the age Tarkowski is now :-

3 Premier League Titles
1 x Premier League Team of the Season
1 x Champions League
2 x FA Cup
1 X League Cup
2002 World Cup Squad (when we had Terry, Rio, Campbell way al)

Playing centre half for United you have to go one on one against a striker. Your full backs are twenty yards up the field, there’s no holding midfielder sat in front of you protecting you, and on midweek nights this is against the best strikers in Europe.

I like Tarks. But he’s nowhere near that level - few are.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pm

Yeah ok. You’re probably right. Unlike most on here i can admit when I’m wrong. I wasn’t thinking straight when enjoying the cricket is my excuse.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:54 pm

Hard to rate Tarks until he has better players around him. Hope that is with the Clarets, but if not, it will be if he secures a big money move to a bigger club. Until then I like to think that the lad still has untapped potential.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:56 pm

Socrates wrote:Playing centre half for United you have to go one on one against a striker. Your full backs are twenty yards up the field, there’s no holding midfielder sat in front of you protecting you, and on midweek nights this is against the best strikers in Europe.

Probably explains why they are wanting to replace Phil Jones.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:57 pm

No holding midfielder but they've had the likes of Keane, Fletcher, Carrick and then Matic sitting deep in their midfield helping to protect the back four.

I've probably missed some out...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:16 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:No holding midfielder but they've had the likes of Keane, Fletcher, Carrick and then Matic sitting deep in their midfield helping to protect the back four.

I've probably missed some out...

Kleberson, Djemba Djemba and Anderson.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Tarks has a couple of errors in his game that I am not convinced he is capable of improving on.
He dawdles on the ball from time to time, looking clumsy and vulnerable.
He tries to convince himself he can hit long pinpoint balls. Many go out of touch, yet he persists.
I think it would be good for Burnley if we got one of these over the top fees for him and then had Gibson come into the team next to Mee.
My opinion.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:30 pm

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Tarks has a couple of errors in his game that I am not convinced he is capable of improving on.
He dawdles on the ball from time to time, looking clumsy and vulnerable.
He tries to convince himself he can hit long pinpoint balls. Many go out of touch, yet he persists.
I think it would be good for Burnley if we got one of these over the top fees for him and then had Gibson come into the team next to Mee.
My opinion.

Best you never get involved in football management then.
Do you honestly believe that JT is choosing the long diagonal pass rather than it's something they work on in training?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:10 pm

According to Sky

Leicester City have no plans to buy a new central defender in this transfer window, even if Harry Maguire leaves for Manchester United or Manchester City, Sky Sports News understands.

Leicester have looked at Burnley's James Tarkowski and Brighton's Lewis Dunk as possible replacements for Maguire, but we've been told Brendan Rodgers doesn't believe that either player represents good value for money - they would each likely cost more than £40m in the current market.

Instead, Rodgers will look to 22-year-old Filip Benkovic, after a successful season on loan at Celtic where he played 27 times for the Scottish champions, and Turkish international Caglar Soyuncu who's impressed Rodgers in training. If Maguire leaves, they will be asked to anchor the Leicester defence alongside one of the more experienced duo of Johnny Evans and Wes Morgan for the coming Premier League season.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:36 pm

Yes, a Leicester fan I know was saying this a few weeks back when I was talking about Tarkowski being linked to. He reckoned those signings had been made in anticipation of Maguire leaving.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:According to Sky

Leicester City have no plans to buy a new central defender in this transfer window, even if Harry Maguire leaves for Manchester United or Manchester City, Sky Sports News understands.

Leicester have looked at Burnley's James Tarkowski and Brighton's Lewis Dunk as possible replacements for Maguire, but we've been told Brendan Rodgers doesn't believe that either player represents good value for money - they would each likely cost more than £40m in the current market.

Instead, Rodgers will look to 22-year-old Filip Benkovic, after a successful season on loan at Celtic where he played 27 times for the Scottish champions, and Turkish international Caglar Soyuncu who's impressed Rodgers in training. If Maguire leaves, they will be asked to anchor the Leicester defence alongside one of the more experienced duo of Johnny Evans and Wes Morgan for the coming Premier League season.

Wonder if Rodgers thinks Maguire is good value at 75 million?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:03 pm

Stayingup wrote:Wonder if Rodgers thinks Maguire is good value at 75 million?

I bet he thinks all his Christmas's have come at once

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:04 pm

I have no ambition to go into football management, maybe you do?
More work needed in training obviously

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:03 pm

Some clubs have been known to gain ground as in rugby, start by giving them a throw-in deep in their own half!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:18 pm

Elizabeth wrote:I have no ambition to go into football management, maybe you do?
More work needed in training obviously

Already done it, but at a substantially lower level

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:52 pm

Perish the thought Darnhill , Dyche surely wouldn't use such tactics

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:34 pm

I know, who’d a thunk it