We are the Longball Burnley !

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We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby JimMcDonald » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:55 pm

2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:58 pm

You're trying to get on the front page of next month's edition of UTC fishing aren't you?
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Rileybobs » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:58 pm

I like long balls. They require more skill and accuracy than short balls.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Goobs » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:58 pm

Oh shut up you tart

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:59 pm

That is like 5 a match more.. wow no wonder you are hurt

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby kentonclaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:01 pm

According to Pep Guardiola we are more root canal than route one. :P
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.


Maybe you haven't noticed but our number of long balls is reducing season on season and at this rate we won't be playing any in 10 years time. Maybe you can then come back to watch us! :lol:

PS - Shouldn't brighton be top of the 2017/18 season!

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby MACCA » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 pm

It's only an average of 10 a game, one more every 9 minutes... hardly horrific.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby ian » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:1.Burnley - 3,176 SURVIVED
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856 RELEGATED


JimMcDonald wrote:2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028 7TH
2. Brighton - 2, 2726 NOT 7TH
3. Everton - 2,726 NOT 7TH


JimMcDonald wrote:1.Burnley - 2,898 SURVIVED
2. Newcastle - 2,680 TOXIC CLUB
3. Brighton - 2,623 YOU’D PREFER TO WATCH THIS LOT INSTEAD?!


JimMcDonald wrote:Bournemouth have proven it can be done. Not against Burnley they haven't.



Our style of play (and success) is fine.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby NottsClaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:I won't go again until this rubbish stops.


That's not necessarily a strong argument for us changing anything.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby claretdj » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:11 pm

Effective football it's called..

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Longside4evr » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:14 pm

According to Pep Guardiola we are more root canal than route one.
He was just filling in the gaps though
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby tiger76 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:14 pm

The opposition hate playing against our tactics,that suggests to me we're doing something right.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby padihamclaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:17 pm

I get sick of people over analysing stats. The most important stat at the end of a game is the score.
And to the op, we've just had 3 seasons in the premier league, what more do you want!
I imagine you're very hard to please so don't bother coming and whinging about long balls or which ever player it is in vogue to slag off because they've had a dip in form because they're human and not a robot
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby JTClaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.
Bournemouth have proven it can be done.

You want us to become Stoke?? And change our style quickly? Coz that worked out really well for them :roll:
It's not amazing, but it works. I'm sure you believed the United fans when they said under Mourinho that they would rather lose than play that way... the same United fans who began kicking off at losing just a couple of months later. Bournemouth play under Eddy Howe, the same Eddy Howe who was our manager before a certain manager who has become a Burnley legend.

If I get to watch Burnley play this way in the top division for the next 10 years, with moments of magic, incredible results and the ability to get better players year on year (Jay Rod could be our sub ffs) then sign me up for every game.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby bfcmik » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:25 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.
Hoofball and long ball are quite different. Hoofball is hurried, whack it upfield and hope it goes to one of your players. Long ball include, goalkeeper drop-kicks, all passes over 25 metres such as we see regularly from Tarkovsky to Mee, Taylor or McNiel, passes over 25 metres from midfield out to the wings and the long through ball down the channels that our 2 forwards are great at chasing down ahead of the defenders. Even crosses from the wing into the box are counted as long ball - and we definitely do that a lot more than most other teams.

Hoofball= big boot hoping to get lucky
Long ball= long pass to a colleague or into space that a colleague is running towards!
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Falcon » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:27 pm

Hahahahahahaha

See ya, you won't be missed.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Stockbrokerbelt » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:28 pm

Depends on how you want to describe a long ball, are you telling the ball over the top by Liverpool for Mane etc to run on to is not a long ball? The premier league moves its goal posts, as for our long ball its kept us in the Premier for 4 seasons or should we go as you mention Bournemouth & how many points have they finished above us in them 4 seasons?
Sky tv has a lot to do with fans wanting a style of play & pundits that could not manage a kids team never mind a team in a league that seems to be run by amount of cash spent.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Rick_Muller » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:29 pm

Can I ask who is differentiating between a Burnley "long ball" and a Man City "precision pass over the top"...?

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby box_of_frogs » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:29 pm

Is suggest we use both hoof and long ball. Yes, it’s not great to watch, but I’d rather be in the Premier League than the 4th Div.....

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby KRBFC » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:30 pm

The stats don’t lie

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.


It seems year on year as we gain more of a foothold in the Premier League we are going in the right direction with a reduction in long balls we play. Give until 2030 and we will be playing like Barca (3 million meaningless passes per game :D )

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Wile E Coyote » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 pm

better to be top for something than nothing at all.

and anyway, rather be long ball specialists in the top flight than where we were before.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:The stats don’t lie


Yes they do. Don't think Brighton, even with 22726 in 17/18, made more than us! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby jojomk1 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:38 pm

It's no wonder Liz left you on Corrie
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Rileybobs » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:40 pm

I would have thought Jim would have been champing at the bit to make use of the new disabled facilities, so I would.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Colburn_Claret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:49 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.

The Bournemouth we got the double over....
You dont get points for playing pretty, you get points for results. Dyches strength is playing a system to suit his players. We played excellent the first 2 games of last season, and only got 1 pt.
With a stronger midfield I have no doubt that our style of football will change again. Until then he'll do what is required to keep us up. Long may he reign
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Taffy on the wing » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:53 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.

Must be music to the ears of those who've suffered your moaning during games.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby SalisburyClaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:56 pm

Since when has long ball been boring - it’s fast and effective. It’s also far more entertaining than watching expensive defenders play square balls to each other in front of their penalty area.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Bosscat » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:02 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:I won't go again until this rubbish stops. .

You won't be missed ... so you won't :D :D :D
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Conroy92 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:04 pm

While I disagree with everything the op said, we looked at times last season like we'd lost the "mix it up" side of the game. Dyche's best football has been an effective mix of long ball and nice play, we need to keep that edge or it does start to feel a little route one. The appearance of McNeil made a difference as the ball started sticking out left, if we can balance the right side with a young attacking full back or winger we'll start to look a lot better.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby KRBFC » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:22 pm

Leisure wrote:Yes they do. Don't think Brighton, even with 22726 in 17/18, made more than us! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh we’re arguing about a typo?

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Quickenthetempo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:25 pm

MACCA wrote:It's only an average of 10 a game, one more every 9 minutes... hardly horrific.

We only get the ball back every 9 minutes.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Holtyclaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:37 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:2016/17 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,176
2. Everton - 2,968
3.Middlesbrough - 2,856

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

2017/18 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 3,028
2. Brighton - 2, 2726
3. Everton - 2,726

We played 300+ more long balls than the next team.

2018/19 - Most long balls in the PL.

1.Burnley - 2,898
2. Newcastle - 2,680
3. Brighton - 2,623

We played 200+ more long balls than the next team.

(ALL STATS FROM THE OFFICIAL PREMIERLEAGUE WEBSITE)


So for 3 seasons running we have played this Dyche style of hoofball and some people still deny it. Its awful and boring and it's about time we changed our style of play. We are the new Stoke. I won't go again until this rubbish stops. No doubt it's going to be 4 seasons in a row.

We played better stuff under Cotterill and Laws and that's not even a joke !

Bournemouth have proven it can be done.




We don’t ponce about at the back, playing pointless tikka taka and dangerous balls around the box, we choose to clear the ball from the danger zone as quickly as possible. I prefer it like this.

Is that the Bournemouth we seem to always beat/not lose against????
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Ashingtonclaret46 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:43 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:Is that the Bournemouth we seem to always beat/not lose against????


It is!!
In our two matches last season they had 1447 touches to our 1019. They had 1045 passes (more than we even touched the ball) and we made just 644.
They made 64 clearances whereas we made just 51.
How did we manage to score 7 goals for ourselves and even gift them their only goal with Ashley Barnes's own goal?
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby claretspice » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:49 pm

Interesting and surprising that we played fewer long balls last season than the season before.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:Oh we’re arguing about a typo?


Chill, it's not even your typo and who's arguing! :D

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby JTClaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:11 pm

bfcmik wrote:Hoofball and long ball are quite different. Hoofball is hurried, whack it upfield and hope it goes to one of your players. Long ball include, goalkeeper drop-kicks, all passes over 25 metres such as we see regularly from Tarkovsky to Mee, Taylor or McNiel, passes over 25 metres from midfield out to the wings and the long through ball down the channels that our 2 forwards are great at chasing down ahead of the defenders. Even crosses from the wing into the box are counted as long ball - and we definitely do that a lot more than most other teams.

Hoofball= big boot hoping to get lucky
Long ball= long pass to a colleague or into space that a colleague is running towards!

To be fair, we do hoof it more often than most... I can deal with the big punt to a front man, but we do sometimes hoof it to get rid rather than look for a pass.
Safety first I suppose, and we are quite old school and the 'if in doubt...' defending sometimes comes into play. As mentioned, I'll take it.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Greenmile » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:22 pm

If I decided I didn’t enjoy watching Burnley play, I’d just stop watching. I wouldn’t bother creating an attention-seeking thread to try to justify my decision.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby timshorts » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:44 pm

If Jonjo Shelvey hadn't been dropped half way through the season, we would have finished second last season. That's not good enough. Presumably launching a long throw in didn't count for Cardiff.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:27 pm

timshorts wrote:If Jonjo Shelvey hadn't been dropped half way through the season, we would have finished second last season. That's not good enough. Presumably launching a long throw in didn't count for Cardiff.


What?

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Ashingtonclaret46 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:36 pm

JTClaret wrote:To be fair, we do hoof it more often than most... I can deal with the big punt to a front man, but we do sometimes hoof it to get rid rather than look for a pass.
Safety first I suppose, and we are quite old school and the 'if in doubt...' defending sometimes comes into play. As mentioned, I'll take it.


A reminder that, if Charlie Taylor had done the proper defending bit against Everton on Boxing Day, we could have possibly had a very different result.
He tried to play football and set Everton on their way after just 2 minutes and we never recovered although this was the turning point for the season.
The team meeting to analyse that match was probably very interesting.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Quickenthetempo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:47 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:We don’t ponce about at the back, playing pointless tikka taka and dangerous balls around the box, we choose to clear the ball from the danger zone as quickly as possible. I prefer it like this.

Do you not watch us regular?

We often pass accross the back line until we give it back to Mee to launch.

I've no problem getting it forward early but we do ponce about with it quite often.

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Sutton-Claret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:48 pm

I find tippy tappy football awful to watch...... Goalie to LB, LB to CB, CB to other CB, back to goalie...... Goalie to RB, RB to CB, CB to other CB, back to goalie....... what's so good about that ???
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:52 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:I find tippy tappy football awful to watch...... Goalie to LB, LB to CB, CB to other CB, back to goalie...... Goalie to RB, RB to CB, CB to other CB, back to goalie....... what's so good about that ???


Jim obviously loves it! :D

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Leisure » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:53 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Do you not watch us regular?

We often pass accross the back line until we give it back to Mee to launch.

I've no problem getting it forward early but we do ponce about with it quite often.


Jim wants more poncing! :D
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby tiger76 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:31 pm

Leisure wrote:Jim wants more poncing! :D


Jim should go and watch Man City then.
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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Holtyclaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:27 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Do you not watch us regular?

We often pass accross the back line until we give it back to Mee to launch.

I've no problem getting it forward early but we do ponce about with it quite often.


Yes I do.

We pass it to Mee, he launches it or we pass it to Tarks and he launches it. When our backs are against the wall we launch it to clear our lines. Odd times we try to ponce we tend to show why we shouldn’t.

It’ll only change when we have midfielders like defour playing who will show for a shorter pass and link defence to attack instead of by-passing midfield. We’re all crying out for a fit and healthy cm of defours quality and style, hopefully one will arrive this summer or soon as we continue our slow but sure evolution to a quality, established pl team.

It’s our way but it’s been exceptionally successful (at keeping us in the pl). Like most things about our club, I love that we’re different from the crowd and love it when the likes of Chelsea accuse us of anti football when really they’re butt sore that they haven’t spanked scruffy old Burnley. UTC

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby dsr » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:36 pm

Tippy tappy football played badly is very very dull indeed. With the odd comedy moment when we give away a stupid goal. (Though it's not always easy to see the funny side.)

Entertaining excitement is to be had in the opposition penalty area. Get Mee and the rest playing like Man City, and there would be excitement in our own box as well; but would it be entertaining?

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Re: We are the Longball Burnley !

Postby Devils_Advocate » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:44 pm

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