Poker
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 pm
I've recently got back into this and started playing at the local social club on Tuesdays, mixed with online. Many poker players on here?
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With the initials KK, you should have a go!karatekid wrote:I bet there is
Casinos are superb for poker, played in many. The downside to online is the speed. I've made a lot more money online as you can find the weaker opponents quicker - which is ultimately how you make the most money.WestMidsClaret wrote:Yep. I played online and in a league from 2007 to 2014. Now I only play in casino's.
Which social club you play at? I've just got into poker recently,only played online for fun and not real money.FactualFrank wrote:I've recently got back into this and started playing at the local social club on Tuesdays, mixed with online. Many poker players on here?
One in Leeds. Which site do you play on?bfc-sparta wrote:Which social club you play at? I've just got into poker recently,only played online for fun and not real money.
A lotFactualFrank wrote:Casinos are superb for poker, played in many. The downside to online is the speed. I've made a lot more money online as you can find the weaker opponents quicker - which is ultimately how you make the most money.
Which casinos have you played in?
I can understand why you like it so much. Especially, if you understand the implied odds. 99% of players I've played with have never even heard of it, nevermind understand it.WestMidsClaret wrote:A lot
Dusk til dawn, most Genting and Grosvenor casino's in the West midlands, stoke, Cardiff, Plymouth, Leicester, casino mediterraneo and a few more.
I've made a lot more money playing in the casino's. Was a grind online back then.
You sound similar to me. I agree with you about always learning. I certainly win a lot more than lose, but you'll always have a Maniac or a Fish who comes on and keeps going All-in with a 72o. Then the flop comes and it'll be 77Q. They of course lose a lot more than they win, but bad beats can be so annoying - especially, when they don't acknowledge it!WestMidsClaret wrote:Poker's probably easier to make money nowadays then it was. Too many just rock up thinking it's an easy game. I put a lot of time and effort in when I first started by watching the pro's/tournaments and reading books. The missus plays too and she's always asking me what I'd do in certain situations. Getting good players opinions can help too. You're always learning.
What is 'o' ?FactualFrank wrote:You sound similar to me. I agree with you about always learning. I certainly win a lot more than lose, but you'll always have a Maniac or a Fish who comes on and keeps going All-in with a 72o. Then the flop comes and it'll be 77Q. They of course lose a lot more than they win, but bad beats can be so annoying - especially, when they don't acknowledge it!
Offsuit. KQo is something like the King of Diamonds and Queen of Spades. KQs (suited) is like the King of Spades and Queen of Spades. 72o is the worst hand in poker, purely down to odds of getting the best hand.DustyBawls wrote:What is 'o' ?
Most players don't understand implied odds. Even players who know the hands and the grade of hands still don't know them. You can tell by how they play their hand and whether they call/raise bets.Hibsclaret wrote:It’s a great game that you keep improving but never fully master. I’m happy when I get my chips in good no matter what the outcome. You can often get outdrawn by an idiot that doesn’t understand the odds or implied odds etc but you always want them at your table....
I used to watch the Poker on Sky, but not sure if they show it now.Hibsclaret wrote:Absolutely. It’s good watching Negreanu’s Vlogs from the World Series. There’s a lot of guff there but he analyses some of the hands etc. There’s all sorts of stuff online these days but I play very regularly (mainly tournaments) and it is important to not get too down on yourself when you are getting bad results but losing on a 3 outer or worse.... Managing your way through a tournament is key to your success. Limiting the all ins at risk etc
Providing it doesn't screw your life up and you're not betting your house, I think Poker is brilliant. I know the % chance of any flop, turn or river, but you still have to calculate the implied odds as every game is different with differing amounts and predicted betting amounts, so it keeps the brain active, that's for sure.WestMidsClaret wrote:I used to live and breath poker. I still do but don't play as much as I did. I was at a casino nearly every night at one stage a few years ago. I'd watch all the wsop main events on YouTube starting from early 2000's up until whatever year it was. Then I'd watch the final table live, well as live as it could be. Think they used to have a 15 minute delay then they changed it to not showing the cards until after the hand has finished.
Picking up tells to me is one of the most important things. Reads give you so much information. I don't talk a lot at a table apart from when I'm in a big hand. Then the info I get is almost as important as the cards I have.
If you mean tournaments where once your chips are gone you leave the table - love it.Hibsclaret wrote:I never feel bad when losing if I make the right play. It’s when you make a mistake that you feel bad. There is lots of variance in poker and you definitely need to run good in tournaments. However, you should only feel bad when u make a mistake.
And I agree with you about losing when you made the right play. If I bet on the correct odds and lose, there's nothing you can do. You made the correct decision it just didn't work out. You're looking for any card of a suit on the River to make a flush - most of the time it's worth the call unless they bet stupid.Hibsclaret wrote:I never feel bad when losing if I make the right play. It’s when you make a mistake that you feel bad. There is lots of variance in poker and you definitely need to run good in tournaments. However, you should only feel bad when u make a mistake.
Yeah he'll have called as he had the highest pair (with the cards he could see).Hibsclaret wrote:Just keep learning is the way. I have 3 WSOP cashes so far and on 2 of the 3 cashes I have bust out on a bad beat so don’t feel bad about that, the other was a flip. You need to run good and definitely a mix of skill and luck is required.
One of them was just after the bubble with an average stack and pocket 6s. Flop was 6 k 2 rainbow. The big blind called my preflop raise with k9. I bet he check calls. The turn is a 9, he checks I push, he calls. River is another 9 for the bigger house. Just shy of 91% on the river and bust...was a bit narked about that one tbh.
Other times you can play all day and make the odd mistake that affects the whole tournament. Tournaments are largely who makes the least mistakes and running good.
Flop's way too dry to shove that spot. The only hands that definitely call are a King, KK, AA, and deuces, and you're going to get paid from those anyway. And you fold out any other hand that you can get value out of, and obviously you fold out his bluffs.FactualFrank wrote:Yeah he'll have called as he had the highest pair (with the cards he could see).
I'd have probably gone all-in in hindsight, if it was heads-up, thinking he may have a King - which he'd have probably folded, thinking you had pocket Kings or a high kicker.
Then again, he may have been a beginner and gone for it anyway. You began with the better hand but the cards fell for him. I'd call him a lucky git and move on
A rainbow board rules out the flushes, but two 9s came down - that straight away should raise a flag of full house. Quads... probably not, but still with high betting, it shouts out as full house.Hibsclaret wrote:I’m not pushing on a flop with a set. I pushed the turn when he had 2 pair. On a rainbow board like that there is very little beating you and no point pushing.
That’s a hand where you can’t do anything else. He made the mistake calling the turn with 9%. Sometimes the chips are going in
He didn't have K9 - the opposite player had it, which hibs wouldn't know - "The big blind called my preflop raise with k9"Imploding Turtle wrote:Flop's way too dry to shove that spot. The only hands that definitely call are a King, KK, AA, and deuces, and you're going to get paid from those anyway. And you fold out any other hand that you can get value out of, and obviously you fold out his bluffs.
In fact K9 might not even call.
He got it in with a set versus two pair on the turn. Villain was in the BB and called his pre-flop raise, no other callers. Hibs was in position. BB checks flop, Hibs c-bets, BB calls. So he's got a super wide range but he's hit a super dry flop. (He could have a PP depending on Hibs' open-raise position)FactualFrank wrote:A rainbow board rules out the flushes, but two 9s came down - that straight away should raise a flag of full house. Quads... probably not, but still with high betting, it shouts out as full house.
You have to think about what he was thinking - he hadn't folded, so he's either majorly bluffing, or he has trips or full house. And he'd have higher trips than you, so I'd have been wary.
Unless you know their tells - you may have thought he was bluffing.
That's why I'd have gone all in - don't give him a chance to see the turn and river. You go all-in, he'll be thinking you have better than a KK hand, which is currently all he sees - the 9s haven't come yet.
Agree Hibs played it correctly and was just unlucky.WestMidsClaret wrote:I'd never shove on a dry flop if I'd hit a set. You want someone with top pair crap kicker calling. You don't want them folding. You want their chips. If they hit runner runner to beat your hand there's bugger all you can do about it. You played the hand out how it should be played. You're just damned unlucky to lose.
I would consider for sure. You made the top 2 in a tourny - you're being paid. Go for it. All he'll do is fold with crap hands.WestMidsClaret wrote:I'd never shove on a dry flop if I'd hit a set. You want someone with top pair crap kicker calling. You don't want them folding. You want their chips. If they hit runner runner to beat your hand there's bugger all you can do about it. You played the hand out how it should be played. You're just damned unlucky to lose.
Did you play with Wilko in the Lancs event?FactualFrank wrote:I would consider for sure. You made the top 2 in a tourny - you're being paid. Go for it. All he'll do is fold with crap hands.
But we're all different in the world of Poker, I guess. Be pretty damn boring if we all made the same decisions.
Heads-up for the trophy is probably the least likely time you want to shove nutted hands on dry flops. What can they possibly call with?FactualFrank wrote:I would consider for sure. You made the top 2 in a tourny - you're being paid. Go for it. All he'll do is fold with crap hands.
But we're all different in the world of Poker, I guess. Be pretty damn boring if we all made the same decisions.
I meant on the table. When it comes down to heads-up, an awful lot depends on luck - you play the hands, unless you see the tells. I stand by what I said, and win a lot. But everybody is different and play different ways.Hibsclaret wrote:This was just post bubble of a series event. There was about 900 players left. Nowhere near top 2 (I wish).
If you mean the person I think you mean, then yeah - but moved over to Leeds.DustyBawls wrote:Did you play with Wilko in the Lancs event?
2007 I think?FactualFrank wrote:If you mean the person I think you mean, then yeah - but moved over to Leeds.
Poor bet sizing is one of the biggest tells there is.WestMidsClaret wrote:I see it a lot at casino's. Most people don't want to build pots. Their bet sizing is all wrong or they shove on the flop after hitting massively (depending on stack sizes and blinds etc). Too quick to take the hand down. They get all giddy and excited. There's a tell lol.
Casinos - absolutely. Just make sure you stand and watch a table for 5-10 minutes beforehand. You'll know where to sit and know what the table is like.WestMidsClaret wrote:I see it a lot at casino's. Most people don't want to build pots. Their bet sizing is all wrong or they shove on the flop after hitting massively (depending on stack sizes and blinds etc). Too quick to take the hand down. They get all giddy and excited. There's a tell lol.
I agree.DustyBawls wrote:Not learned a single thing reading this thread. You're all rubbish.