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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:56 am

IanMcL wrote:You think you have any control over anyone at Westminster?

Of course we do. That doesn't always mean the people use that control wisely. We voted for the present incumbents, in the belief that they would deliver Brexit, even those who voted remain thought the same. Time has shown we've been lied to again and again. Hopefully we will take control again by removing those said incumbents at the next GE. If we dont we will only have ourselves to blame, again.
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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:59 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:A really poor comparison to be honest. Johnson has his faults but he hasn't started gassing anybody yet. The German people were blind to much of what the Reich were doing, they could only see, or only hear the positives. If Hitler was around today he wouldn't find it so easy. Johnson wont find it easy either. The press, media and his enemies will be waiting to pounce on every little snippet of bad news. Hes going to need a lot of luck to survive.
He also deserves patience to see what Brexit can deliver. I believe it's for the best, but it will take a couple of years at least for it to manifest itself.
If the negativity and back stabbing continue post Brexit, then we will reap what we sow.


You say Hitler wouldn't find it so easy, yet according to some Trump is just a few steps away from being the next Hitler.

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Re: Boris

Postby tim_noone » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:59 am

Siddo wrote:Please can we not call him Boris. Every other PM was generally referred to bu using their last name.
Calling this person by his first name infers friendliness, acceptance, even an amount of likeability.
He is a dangerous, self serving, arrogant semi fascist and I will never, ever call him anything other than Johnson.
God help the north of England for investment when he gets in and we leave the EU. It will make the winter of discontent look like last summer.
Tosser!
:D of the highest order......possibly.

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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:00 am

IanMcL wrote:You think you have any control over anyone at Westminster?


Yeah we do, but for some reason people in this country keep blindly voting for the same two parties regardless of what they've messed up time and again.

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:10 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You say Hitler wouldn't find it so easy, yet according to some Trump is just a few steps away from being the next Hitler.

According to some.......
Dont get me wrong, I dont like Trump at all, but he is more idiot than monster. He has no diplomacy, which comes with the arrogance of making billions of Dollars. He often says the first thing that comes into his mouth, without considering the repercussions. His arrogance would never allow him to retract

He believes in his own mind that stopping the influx of illegal immigrants, especially from Mexico would make the US safer and stronger. That doesn't mean hes likely to bus them back with a hosepipe running from the exhaust.

The over reaction and hair splitting that goes on , on both sides of the pond, are farcical.
Trump and Boris being compared to Hitler.
All people who voted Brexit are racists.
It's a mad, mad world.
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Re: Boris

Postby nil_desperandum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:13 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Boris = Hitler

You do like these huge leaps into the dark don't you.

Wasn't suggesting that at all.
I was implying that you should be careful what you wish for.
It's easy to glibly say we can soon and easily get rid of Johnson, (which is what one poster said).
History suggests that we shouldn't take things like that for granted. That was my point, as most people I think would appreciate.
If you read my post properly, I wasn't comparing Johnson to Hitler, I was comparing the political situation at the time, and how people who thought they were in control assumed that Hitler would be some kind of puppet, easily removed and replaced by a more orthodox politician. It turned into a nightmare.
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Re: Boris

Postby aggi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:15 am

bobinho wrote:I believe that time has been and gone.

Surprised that out of the two that are left, you think that Brexiteer Boris is the least likely to deliver it.


I'd agree that Boris is the least likely of the two to deliver it. His only plan appears to be that we have to believe more that we can do it.

He's not ideologically wedded to Brexit, he's pro-Boris and that's about it. If he realises how tarnished his legacy may become he's more likely to do a u-turn (and be able to sell it), rather than suffer the damage of Brexit, than Hunt is.
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Re: Boris

Postby Spijed » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:32 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:He has no diplomacy, which comes with the arrogance of making billions of Dollars.


But he hasn't made made billions of dollars. It's all inherited wealth from his father. He's lost more than he's made and it's well known he's not a good businessman.

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Re: Boris

Postby Mala591 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:34 am

The first thing that Boris should do is to announce a 'Leave clarification referendum'.

The question should be:

We are leaving the EU on 31st October 2019. Please choose one of the following two options:

1. Leave via the current UK/EU withdrawal agreement
2. Leave without any deal

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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:57 am

Mala591 wrote:The first thing that Boris should do is to announce a 'Leave clarification referendum'.

The question should be:

We are leaving the EU on 31st October 2019. Please choose one of the following two options:

1. Leave via the current UK/EU withdrawal agreement
2. Leave without any deal


You forgot to the the last option

3. Remain because leavers are stupid :lol:

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Re: Boris

Postby AndrewJB » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:30 pm

Spijed wrote:But he hasn't made made billions of dollars. It's all inherited wealth from his father. He's lost more than he's made and it's well known he's not a good businessman.

He's even had a casino go bust.

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Re: Boris

Postby Bosscat » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm

Siddo wrote:Please can we not call him Boris. Every other PM was generally referred to bu using their last name.
Calling this person by his first name infers friendliness, acceptance, even an amount of likeability.
He is a dangerous, self serving, arrogant semi fascist and I will never, ever call him anything other than Johnson.
God help the north of England for investment when he gets in and we leave the EU. It will make the winter of discontent look like last summer.
Tosser!

Hmmmmm not Boris's biggest fan then :lol: :lol: :lol:

nil_desperandum wrote:I believe that the vast majority of businessmen and trad. Conservatives said the same thing about an egotist in the early 30s in a country not too far away from here.
It turned out to be rather more difficult removing him than they could have imagined.

Bloody hell likening Boris to Mr Hitler .... :lol: :lol: heard everything now
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Re: Boris

Postby Siddo » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:27 pm

No I'm not Johnson's biggest fan because I can see through the bluster and I don't like what I see.
Brexit is the biggest mistake this country has ever made and it gets a hundred times worse with him at the helm.

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Re: Boris

Postby Spijed » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:42 pm

Wow, reading this article is absolutely frightening. He'll be a complete disaster!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/worl ... TkJpx8bhgQ

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Re: Boris

Postby claret2018 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:50 pm

He has failed pretty miserably in other roles he has held the past, yet some people think that behind the bumbling personality lies a shrewd political master. He’s a good self-promoter but that’s about it.

We will only end up with him as PM because the Tories want him out of the way as quickly as possible, and him becoming PM now should mean that someone else will be able to have a go in a few months time.

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:18 pm

Mala591 wrote:The first thing that Boris should do is to announce a 'Leave clarification referendum'.

The question should be:

We are leaving the EU on 31st October 2019. Please choose one of the following two options:

1. Leave via the current UK/EU withdrawal agreement
2. Leave without any deal

********, utter, utter, ********.

The first option is a bad deal
The second option is practically guaranteed to fail, which is the only real objective of the exercise.

There is a better deal out there, but it is only deliverable after we have left with no deal. You cant sell that to the public, because as we all know, we cant dot the I's and cross the t's on something that isnt written yet. Every remainer knows that, every leaver knows that. So your suggestion of a confirmatory vote is just another feeble attempt to reverse the vote of 3 years ago.
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Re: Boris

Postby aggi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:19 pm

The thing is, those who support him just don't care. I think it was Crosspool on here who asked for examples of Boris not keeping his promises, was presented with a big list of Boris not keeping his promises and just ignored them whilst also being convinced that he would keep his promises for the future.

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Re: Boris

Postby nil_desperandum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Bloody hell likening Boris to Mr Hitler .... :lol: :lol: heard everything now

Which I so clearly did not do.
I even clarified this for a previous poster who also failed to grasp that I was referring to the situation and process rather than the personalities.
Edit: See post 56 if you need my post explaining further
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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:32 pm

Siddo wrote:Brexit is the biggest mistake this country has ever made and it gets a hundred times worse with him at the helm.

In your opinion.
Millions of people still disagree with you.
If it's TRUE that it will be worse with Boris at the helm, then maybe you should blame May for screwing the job up in the first place.
I'm sure Boris has many faults and foibles, but at least he doesn't sit in the corner wetting himself at the thought of leaving the EU. At least he has faith in the British people, to be a thriving independent country. At least he isnt frightened to stand on a world stage and speak for us, rather than hiding behind the shirt tails of Brussels.

I'm not a Boris fan, nor even a Tory, but as bad as he is, he's better than the lily livered chickens in most of the House.
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Re: Boris

Postby RingoMcCartney » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:39 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:, I was comparing the political situation at the time, and how people who thought they were in control assumed that Hitler would be some kind of puppet, easily removed and replaced by a more orthodox politician. It turned into a nightmare.



If that's NOT comparing Boris Johnson to Hitler I don't know what is! :lol:
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Re: Boris

Postby Bosscat » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:44 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:If that's NOT comparing Boris Johnson to Hitler I don't know what is! :lol:

Just what I thought Ringo McC :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Boris

Postby JohnMcGreal » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:There is a better deal out there, but it is only deliverable after we have left with no deal.


Colburn, the key contents of the WA will still be the first things we have to address as soon as we engage with the EU after leaving with no deal.

No deal doesn't make the issues of the border in Ireland, the financial settlement and citizens rights suddenly disappear. They will still need to be dealt with.

How do you propose the UK should respond in that scenario?

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Re: Boris

Postby nil_desperandum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:52 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:If that's NOT comparing Boris Johnson to Hitler I don't know what is! :lol:

We know there's no point arguing with you. But:
My point - which should be clear to anyone who doesn't have an agenda, is that you can't just assume that you can get rid of Johnson as easily as he has been anointed.
There are many occasions in history, with 1930s Germany being the most obvious example, where clever, intelligent people have assumed that putting a fool or conman nto power is a good idea, and that he can quickly and easily be sidestepped or replaced.
History tells us that it often doesn't work out that way.
There's absolutely no guarantees at all that Johnson will just be there temporarilly to deliver brexit. Once in No 10 there's no guarantee he won't be there for some time.
And my initial post was in reply to someone who said we could easily get rid of him.
Context is everything when reading posts and replies.

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Re: Boris

Postby FactualFrank » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:57 pm

The best of a terrible choice to sort us through Brexit. I just hope he's not around for long.

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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:33 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm sure Boris has many faults and foibles, but at least he doesn't sit in the corner wetting himself at the thought of leaving the EU. At least he has faith in the British people, to be a thriving independent country.


What makes you think (I would use the word evidence but we all know the difficulties that can bring) that Britain can be a thriving independent country?

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Re: Boris

Postby RingoMcCartney » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:51 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:We know there's no point arguing with you. But:
My point - which should be clear to anyone who doesn't have an agenda, is that you can't just assume that you can get rid of Johnson as easily as he has been anointed.
There are many occasions in history, with 1930s Germany being the most obvious example, where clever, intelligent people have assumed that putting a fool or conman nto power is a good idea, and that he can quickly and easily be sidestepped or replaced.
History tells us that it often doesn't work out that way.
There's absolutely no guarantees at all that Johnson will just be there temporarilly to deliver brexit. Once in No 10 there's no guarantee he won't be there for some time.
And my initial post was in reply to someone who said we could easily get rid of him.
Context is everything when reading posts and replies.


You say
nil_desperandum wrote:We know there's no point arguing with you.


Then go on to argue that you're NOT comparing Hitler with Boris Johnson. :lol:

And the next thing you say is-

nil_desperandum wrote:There are many occasions in history, with 1930s Germany being the most obvious example,
:lol:

You say-

nil_desperandum wrote:Context is everything when reading posts and replies.


I reckon actually reading what you've put in a post, before you submit it, may be just as important! :lol:
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Re: Boris

Postby dsr » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:39 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:Colburn, the key contents of the WA will still be the first things we have to address as soon as we engage with the EU after leaving with no deal.

No deal doesn't make the issues of the border in Ireland, the financial settlement and citizens rights suddenly disappear. They will still need to be dealt with.

How do you propose the UK should respond in that scenario?

The Irish border question will suddenly change. At present, the issue of the Irish border is that it is a major obstcle placed by the EU to try and stop Britain leaving, or to get a better deal from Britain. If and when we leave with no deal, it becomes a problem for both sides and Britain remaining or as good as remaining is no longer an option - so it's a different question; or at least, a different answer.

I drove along the N54 / A3 last week, and crossed the border 4 times in 10 miles. Whatever the solution to the Irish border problem is, it won't involve 4 sets of double gates and fences on that road. When both sides need to find a practical solution, they will find a practical solution. (Which will certainly involve continuing to fill in the paperwork that they already fill in, when either side exports goods or services to the other.)
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Re: Boris

Postby nil_desperandum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:00 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You say

Then go on to argue that you're NOT comparing Hitler with Boris Johnson. :lol:

And the next thing you say is-

:lol:

You say-



I reckon actually reading what you've put in a post, before you submit it, may be just as important! :lol:

Don't know why I'm bothering, but my post was clearly about German right wing politicians and businessmen in the 30s assuming that they could just put the outsider Hitler into power for a brief time, before reverting to normality.
A lot of Brexiteers and Conservatives are making similar assumptions with the maverick Johnson.
So I'm not comparing Johnson to Hitler at all, but referencing the dangerous game that the Tory Party are playing in handing power to him despite all the evidence that he is completely unsuitable.

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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:55 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:What makes you think (I would use the word evidence but we all know the difficulties that can bring) that Britain can be a thriving independent country?


Don't you think Britain can?

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:59 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:What makes you think (I would use the word evidence but we all know the difficulties that can bring) that Britain can be a thriving independent country?

Because we were before we joined the EU.
We are one of the largest trading companies in the world. The EU didn't make us that, we were anyway. We will be after we leave the EU. How do you imagine that we coped for over a hundred years prior to joining the EU, blind luck.
There is a lot to be said for being part of a trading bloc, but by now even a blind man can see that the EU is no longer a trading bloc. Junkers replacement hasn't been in a week, and already the European Army that was never going to happen, has been mooted again. She talks about introducing a European minimum wage, no problems with that, followed by tighter fiscal policies....and alarm bells should be ringing in everybody's heads. The steps towards a Federal United States of Europe gains pace.

What proofs can I offer, you're right there isnt any. Just as there isnt any proof that we'd fail. But a country that managed to stand on it's own is hardly going to falter because we are no longer a member of the EU.

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Don't you think Britain can?



We were already.

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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:We were already.


Not completely though.

This is a chance to be completely independent again.

So I'll wait for the answer from the other lad, ta.

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:10 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:Colburn, the key contents of the WA will still be the first things we have to address as soon as we engage with the EU after leaving with no deal.

No deal doesn't make the issues of the border in Ireland, the financial settlement and citizens rights suddenly disappear. They will still need to be dealt with.

How do you propose the UK should respond in that scenario?

I agree, that's why I said it's a con to have a confirmatory vote on something we dont know or understand the details of. It SHOULD have been resolved long ago by May, but that ship has sailed.
Negotiations can only happen when both sides have something to give and take. Well our best bargaining chips were the threat of a No Deal, and the problems that would have on Europe as well as us, and the 39 billion we feed them. May gave away the 39 billion, and the HOC has tried to pull the rug on a no deal.

As I read something boris has reportedly said, if man can work out how a spaceship can re enter the atmosphere, it shouldnt be beyond him to find a solution to the NI border issue. All it takes is compromise and common sense. Both have been neglected by both May and the EU in order to circumvent the leave vote

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:12 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Not completely though.

This is a chance to be completely independent again.

So I'll wait for the answer from the other lad, ta.


But we won't be. We'll still be bound by the trade deals we negotiate, only the terms won't be as favourable for us as they were in the EU. This has been explained again, and again, and again to you people but you refuse to accept it.

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:But we won't be. We'll still be bound by the trade deals we negotiate, only the terms won't be as favourable for us as they were in the EU. This has been explained again, and again, and again to you people but you refuse to accept it.

Some trade deals will be worse, some trade deals will be better. There is always going to be winners and losers whatever we decided to do. That isnt therefore a reason to remain. The stock market moves every day. Some people make fortunes, some people lose them. It doesn't stop them playing though. Commerce and trade are fluid, they change everyday just like the markets.
My main argument for being independent has always been being free to make the decisions we need to protect ourselves come the next recession. Having the bulk of the EU round our necks, with it's so many weak economies would be a millstone.

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:32 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Some trade deals will be worse, some trade deals will be better. There is always going to be winners and losers whatever we decided to do. That isnt therefore a reason to remain. The stock market moves every day. Some people make fortunes, some people lose them. It doesn't stop them playing though. Commerce and trade are fluid, they change everyday just like the markets.
My main argument for being independent has always been being free to make the decisions we need to protect ourselves come the next recession. Having the bulk of the EU round our necks, with it's so many weak economies would be a millstone.



What trade deals will be better? With what countries? What will be better about them?
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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What trade deals will be better? With what countries? What will be better about them?

You're not going to get me biting at that. I'm not conducting trade deals the government will be.
But one of the downsides of membership was the severing of our deals with the commonwealth.

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:51 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:You're not going to get me biting at that. I'm not conducting trade deals the government will be.
But one of the downsides of membership was the severing of our deals with the commonwealth.



The ******* commonwealth :lol:

How much trade do you think we're going to gain from these countries?

http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries

It's ******* ridiculous that this bullshit is still being peddled. What exactly can we offer India or Canada, or Guyana? Financial services advice?

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Re: Boris

Postby Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The ******* commonwealth :lol:

How much trade do you think we're going to gain from these countries?

http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries

It's ******* ridiculous that this bullshit is still being peddled. What exactly can we offer India or Canada, or Guyana? Financial services advice?

This is exactly why I refused to bite and say which trade deals would be better, because I dont know, I'm not negotiating them, but whatever I said you were ready to pounce.........
I dont know. Neither do you.

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:10 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:This is exactly why I refused to bite and say which trade deals would be better, because I dont know, I'm not negotiating them, but whatever I said you were ready to pounce.........
I dont know. Neither do you.


You don't know. You're not willing to even speculate, yet you're willing to speculate, without any supporting evidence, that we will be able to make better deals.

You're very selective when it comes to what you're willing to speculate on, aren't you? This is why i asked the question. Not for a "bite", because I knew you had **** all with which to back up your assertion.
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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:15 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Don't you think Britain can?

No, I see nothing that makes me think we can.

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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:But we won't be. We'll still be bound by the trade deals we negotiate, only the terms won't be as favourable for us as they were in the EU. This has been explained again, and again, and again to you people but you refuse to accept it.


You do make me chuckle.

You're all for Scottish independence, they'd be better off without England/Tories etc, but when it's Britain that's voted to leave somewhere you're dead set against it.

Yeah you bang the drum you always do, but you've got no idea how it's going to turn out in the long term, you're absolutely **** scared of leaving the EU and you're not interested in giving it a chance.

Any trade deals we negotiate will be suited for Britain, not for another 20 plus countries.
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Re: Boris

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:17 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:No, I see nothing that makes me think we can.


So you'll be moving to the EU then, if you're already there or living outside the UK?

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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:25 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Because we were before we joined the EU.
We are one of the largest trading companies in the world. The EU didn't make us that, we were anyway. We will be after we leave the EU. How do you imagine that we coped for over a hundred years prior to joining the EU, blind luck.
There is a lot to be said for being part of a trading bloc, but by now even a blind man can see that the EU is no longer a trading bloc. Junkers replacement hasn't been in a week, and already the European Army that was never going to happen, has been mooted again. She talks about introducing a European minimum wage, no problems with that, followed by tighter fiscal policies....and alarm bells should be ringing in everybody's heads. The steps towards a Federal United States of Europe gains pace.

What proofs can I offer, you're right there isnt any. Just as there isnt any proof that we'd fail. But a country that managed to stand on it's own is hardly going to falter because we are no longer a member of the EU.


We WERE that has no relevance now. What happened to us in the last 100 years? We lost an Empire, spent a number of years rebuilding after wars, were the “sick man of Europe” and were on our arse before the EEC let us join. The EU army couldn’t have happened when we were in the EU however, have you noticed how we have to ask the EU to help us escort our ships. We aren’t in the Eurozone so tighter fiscal rules don’t apply!

What type of country is going to offer us a better deal than we would have got in the EU?
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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:28 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So you'll be moving to the EU then, if you're already there or living outside the UK?

Fortunately I have a job that isn’t dependent upon EU membership, have an investment portfolio that is diverse enough to withstand a collapsing UK economy and property abroad that I will be able to escape to if needed. It’s you poor ******* that I feel sorry for.

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Re: Boris

Postby Steve1956 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:31 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Fortunately I have a job that isn’t dependent upon EU membership, have an investment portfolio that is diverse enough to withstand a collapsing UK economy and property abroad that I will be able to escape to if needed. It’s you poor ******* that I feel sorry for.

Get you,off you pop then shut the door behind ya !

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Re: Boris

Postby Imploding Turtle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:42 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You do make me chuckle.

You're all for Scottish independence, they'd be better off without England/Tories etc, but when it's Britain that's voted to leave somewhere you're dead set against it.

Yeah you bang the drum you always do, but you've got no idea how it's going to turn out in the long term, you're absolutely **** scared of leaving the EU and you're not interested in giving it a chance.

Any trade deals we negotiate will be suited for Britain, not for another 20 plus countries.


You're right, i'm nto interested in giving it a chance, because it's not a decision that can be reversed. Like jumping off a ******* cliff. Sure, i *might* survive, but it's going to ******* hurt and i might never fully recover.

And you're absolutely right i'm in favour of Scottish independence because Westminster has broken the promises made to win the referendum (for my side of that, i might add). One of those promises was continued EU membership. I wouldn't be supporting Scottish independence if the rest of the UK hadn't betrayed that promise. So i'm not sure what you think you're proving with that weak-as-fuck whine.

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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Get you,off you pop then shut the door behind ya !

I don’t need to, I can wait and see. What’s your contingency plan if operation fear actually turns out to be right. Can the business you work for deal with a recession? Can you afford increased interest rates, a drop in income, increased inflation?

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Re: Boris

Postby Steve1956 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:43 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:I don’t need to, I can wait and see. What’s your contingency plan if operation fear actually turns out to be right. Can the business you work for deal with a recession? Can you afford increased interest rates, a drop in income, increased inflation?

Personally I dont care.

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Re: Boris

Postby Burnley Ace » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:17 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Personally I dont care.

Sadly you are not alone, that’s one of the reasons we are in this mess.


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