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Nissan

Post by basil6345789 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:27 am

Shedding 12,500 jobs worldwide. Anyone want to blame Btexit?

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Re: Nissan

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:32 am

“The firm also announced a 94.5% fall in net income for the first quarter of 2019”

Wow

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Re: Nissan

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:32 am

basil6345789 wrote:Shedding 12,500 jobs worldwide. Anyone want to blame Btexit?
No..... and I wouldn't blame Brexit either ;)

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Re: Nissan

Post by mealdeal » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:32 am

basil6345789 wrote:Shedding 12,500 jobs worldwide. Anyone want to blame Btexit?
Clearly not caused by Btexit, but it will be interesting to see how the axe falls on the UK workforce because of it.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:48 am

Good. The Duke is the silliest ever car. Don't worry we're going to buy Nissan Sunderland and Honda Swindon for a pound each when they close and then utilize the buildings and the workforce to set up a state car industry using the Northampton genius pool to get the product sorted.
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Re: Nissan

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:53 am

Nissan Duke :lol: a very silly name for a car ... perhaps thats why they actually call it "Juke" probably an even sillier name m8
Pstotto wrote: Northampton genius pool.
Cobblers
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Re: Nissan

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:55 am

Is the Duke worse than the Juke then.By the way , the Juke is a good car, I had a new one when they first came out.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:58 am

It's the lousiest juke box I ever saw... If when looking at it, you cover the back with your hand and then imagine a car back and then take your hand away... Whoever did that... Ren or Stimpy, I'm not sure.

Yes, Bosscat. Those Formula 1 cars are always breaking down... Rubbish engineering.

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:01 am

5k jobs at VAG (was 7k but they're creating 2k due to electric vehicles)

JLR on its arse.

Honda shifting production back home.

Vaxuhall/Opel struggled and ended up being taken over by PSA.

Renault and FCA considering a partnership/alliance that would save the companies billions.

Diesel sales/emissions is a big factor in this, along with a shift over to Electric requirements.
Also a collapse in sales over in China is causing major issues.

Ford closing various plants down around the world I think, like it's diesel engine one in the UK, the same engines they sell to the likes of JLR and PSA...

The EU deal with Japan means it's also better financially for Japanese car makers to build more in Japan and export them here.
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Re: Nissan

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:02 am

Ban all foreign cars.

Economy sorted.

I read somewhere that we are still in debt to the Americans for WW2. Surely Germany has to pay the bill for their criminal damage, so we'll have all their car industry in lieu for starters.

Take Germany to court and Japan.

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 am

mealdeal wrote:Clearly not caused by Btexit, but it will be interesting to see how the axe falls on the UK workforce because of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... er-reveals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could be safe in Sunderland

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Re: Nissan

Post by MACCA » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:11 am

The sooner we start looking after ourselves coupled with a few if our allies the better.
Too many folk wrapped up in looking after folk from all over the world that we are actually neglecting our own.

Sadly seems to only be getting worse, we should get our own house in order before caring what the rest of the people are doing in their homes.
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Re: Nissan

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:17 am

Plenty of nissans in nelson

Nissan sunnys
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Re: Nissan

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:20 am

theroyaldyche wrote:Plenty of nissans in nelson

Nissan sunnys
Surprised there are not a lot of Dacia Logans they are Shi-ite

Some belters on here too

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Re: Nissan

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:26 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
The EU deal with Japan means it's also better financially for Japanese car makers to build more in Japan and export them here.
If that is the case then that strengthens the hand of those looking to leave the EU surely?

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Re: Nissan

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:26 am

The Enclosure wrote:Is the Duke worse than the Juke then.By the way , the Juke is a good car, I had a new one when they first came out.
In Ireland it's called The Junk :D

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:30 am

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote:If that is the case then that strengthens the hand of those looking to leave the EU surely?
You won't catch me with that.

You know full well that it actually endangers jobs for Japanese companies who have manufacturing plants inside the EU.
If we were to remain, Honda would still go.
Nissan would still stop production of its larger diesel only SUV in the UK.
Same if we leave.
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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:31 am

Pstotto wrote:Ban all foreign cars.

Economy sorted.

I read somewhere that we are still in debt to the Americans for WW2. Surely Germany has to pay the bill for their criminal damage, so we'll have all their car industry in lieu for starters.

Take Germany to court and Japan.
True story.

We had the chance to own VW after the war, but declined and it was actually rebuilt with the help of the British.
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Re: Nissan

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:34 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:True story.

We had the chance to own VW after the war, but declined and it was actually rebuilt with the help of the British.
and Deming helped rebuild Toyota and the like in Japan
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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:40 am

Rick_Muller wrote:and Deming helped rebuild Toyota and the like in Japan
If anything, not being British owned was a good thing for the likes of VW, they made far superior cars eventually,
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Re: Nissan

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:10 pm

re-post 18 and 19, economic self-flagellation-r-us.

Then James Bond turns double agent by product-placing a Toyota 2000 GT in everyone's minds in You Only Live Twice.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You won't catch me with that.

You know full well that it actually endangers jobs for Japanese companies who have manufacturing plants inside the EU.
If we were to remain, Honda would still go.
Nissan would still stop production of its larger diesel only SUV in the UK.
Same if we leave.
I do a lot of work within the automotive industry and was in Getrag Ford last week and they’ve got two of their lines up for sale, yet the only one that’s booming is the Ford Diesel SUV

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Re: Nissan

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:20 pm

basil6345789 wrote:Shedding 12,500 jobs worldwide. Anyone want to blame Btexit?
They'll cut the jobs in the area where it makes the most fiscal sense to do so. Brexit had made it more likely that these jobs will be cut here.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:21 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:“The firm also announced a 94.5% fall in net income for the first quarter of 2019”

Wow
It must've been a typo. :lol:

"On Thursday, the firm announced a 94.5% fall in net profit for the first quarter of 2019 - one of its worst quarterly performances in a decade."

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:55 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:I do a lot of work within the automotive industry and was in Getrag Ford last week and they’ve got two of their lines up for sale, yet the only one that’s booming is the Ford Diesel SUV
I know they're about to re-launch the Puma as an SUV.

The current market is favoured towards SUVs for some strange reason

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Re: Nissan

Post by Caballo » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:04 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:I do a lot of work within the automotive industry and was in Getrag Ford last week and they’ve got two of their lines up for sale, yet the only one that’s booming is the Ford Diesel SUV
I was there last week too, though in fairness I'm there 5 days of every week, good innit. Let me know next time you're in, my shout at the brew machine.
Its actually the transit line that's really booming, its operating at about 90% of installation capacity, which at the moment is madness.

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:They'll cut the jobs in the area where it makes the most fiscal sense to do so. Brexit had made it more likely that these jobs will be cut here.
So what about VW chopping 5k jobs over in there end of the world, what shall we stick the blame on that for?

I've already told you the answer.

Nissan is a poor product brand, underpriced its product in an effort to increase sales, has been hit by low sales in the US mainly, plus other markets.

Their former CEO is currently under investigation for financial fraud I think it is and of course they've been hit hard with the diesel emissions issue.

You probably already know because you spend time researching but one model of the Nissan Navara suffered with chassis problems, resulting in the chassis snapping in many instances, thus harming the brand name.

It all adds up eventually to a collapse and yeah there will be some jobs shed at Sunderland but the point is that with or without Brexit jobs would go regardless because Nissan is in big big trouble.
It's also on the verge of having its ties with Renault severed because Renault is currently trying to get into bed with FCA as that's a better prospective partner in the long term.
Once Renault bins Nissan off then we should see some real fireworks go off.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:23 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So what about VW chopping 5k jobs over in there end of the world, what shall we stick the blame on that for?

I've already told you the answer.

Nissan is a poor product brand, underpriced its product in an effort to increase sales, has been hit by low sales in the US mainly, plus other markets.

Their former CEO is currently under investigation for financial fraud I think it is and of course they've been hit hard with the diesel emissions issue.

You probably already know because you spend time researching but one model of the Nissan Navara suffered with chassis problems, resulting in the chassis snapping in many instances, thus harming the brand name.

It all adds up eventually to a collapse and yeah there will be some jobs shed at Sunderland but the point is that with or without Brexit jobs would go regardless because Nissan is in big big trouble.
It's also on the verge of having its ties with Renault severed because Renault is currently trying to get into bed with FCA as that's a better prospective partner in the long term.
Once Renault bins Nissan off then we should see some real fireworks go off.

How does any of that change the fact that Brexit has made, and will continue to make our country less attractive and less profitable? Which in turn makes our country MORE attractive for jobs cuts when corporations, for whatever reason, need to cut jobs?

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How does any of that change the fact that Brexit has made, and will continue to make our country less attractive and less profitable?
Dunno, I'm not sure why BMW have committed to making their electric mini in the UK, why JLR are committed to making their electric range in the UK etc.

There must be a reason why they aren't leaving....

Anyway, until Brexit happens your statement is just conjecture.
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Re: Nissan

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Dunno, I'm not sure why BMW have committed to making their electric mini in the UK, why JLR are committed to making their electric range in the UK etc.

There must be a reason why they aren't leaving....

Anyway, until Brexit happens your statement is just conjecture.

I can't help you if you're being deliberately slow to understand.

You're like those dumb ***** who see a hurricane and ask "is this one caused by climate change?" Because they don't seem to be capable of understanding what "make bad events more likely to occur, and worse when they do" means. They know they're making a dumb argument, but they do it anyway because it's not about the truth, it's about winning the argument.

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I can't help you if you're being deliberately slow to understand.

You're like those dumb ***** who see a hurricane and ask "is this one caused by climate change?" Because they don't seem to be capable of understanding what "make bad events more likely to occur, and worse when they do" means. They know they're making a dumb argument, but they do it anyway because it's not about the truth, it's about winning the argument.
Whilst you're the doom mongering rapid div who just cannot understand that what is happening to Nissan will happen whether we are in or out of the EU.

Just like Ford moved Transit production, just like PSA left Coventry, just like Rover went bang etc etc.

It happens regularly enough even a dullard like you should know it will happen again and again with or without brexit.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Whilst you're the doom mongering rapid div who just cannot understand that what is happening to Nissan will happen whether we are in or out of the EU.

Just like Ford moved Transit production, just like PSA left Coventry, just like Rover went bang etc etc.

It happens regularly enough even a dullard like you should know it will happen again and again with or without brexit.

"But the climate has always changed"

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Re: Nissan

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:14 pm

Are people just waiting for the electric revolution

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"But the climate has always changed"
Yes, it getting worse and we need to deal with it.

The automotive industry is going through a change that ultimately will help with climate change.

You'll catch on soon enough.... or not.

Fossil fueled engines have a shorter lifespan now thankfully due to changes demanded by the government's.
I'm all for it, it's a good thing, but they aren't being strict enough.

Now we've established that, can we move on?

Nissan is on its arse, Sunderland will lose jobs if we are in or out of the EU.

It might be 7k, it might be 3.5k, it might not be any.
It could just be natural losses from retirements or departures through choice and they don't replace them.
It could be due to better automaton like they're foreseeing at VAG which is why they're predicting 5k job losses.

It's going to happen over the next 3-4 years, let's see how it pans out....try it, you might like it or carry in blaming everything you can on Brexit like you usually do.

So long as you're happy, then the rest of us are.

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:17 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Are people just waiting for the electric revolution
In what way?

VAG (VW/Audi group) are predicting job losses of 5k due to the changes in vehicle production when they switch to making more electric vehicles.

Is that what you're referring too?

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Re: Nissan

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 pm

Well we know lots of electric and Hybrid mobiles coming out in the next year or so, why commit to a 20k petrol or diesel model now

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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:35 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Well we know lots of electric and Hybrid mobiles coming out in the next year or so, why commit to a 20k petrol or diesel model now
Well the other year on this very forum I did point this out when someone started a thread on the automotive industry and I was told several times I didn't have a clue.

I said then and I've said now, people tend to be relatively loyal to a brand of vehicle.

A VW owner isn't going to buy an electric Renault, they'd rather wait for a VW version, same with Range Rover owners.
This was one of the reasons for a fall in sales, especially in diesels and the revelation that they're actually quite harmful for people and the environment, because manufacturers were cheating the tests, so people weren't going to rush out and buy more of them.

Naturally a certain group of people didn't believe me and one dick in particular became quite abusive, thankfully he's not posting on here anymore because he got out of hand with it but he does owe me an apology because I was right all along.

So yeah, there are people waiting for their favoured brand to release an electric or hybrid model they want to buy before they'll upgrade.
Some are just waiting for a model they like of any brand and then there are people who can't afford it and are buying second hand motors like they've always done.

There's also a belief that PCP has the potential to be the next financial crash, but we will have to wait and see on that one.
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Re: Nissan

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:37 pm

In regards to diesels though, the government aren't doing enough to stop lorries, taxis and buses from spewing harmful emissions out, especially older models

I was sat behind a 17 yr old lorry today and its pretty grim , using old emissions reducing tech.
There's a lot of them around, but the government don't seem overly arsed about it.
Same with Taxis sitting at a rank with an engine running etc.
More and more buses could be switched over to different engines.

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Re: Nissan

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:21 am

Caballo wrote:I was there last week too, though in fairness I'm there 5 days of every week, good innit. Let me know next time you're in, my shout at the brew machine.
Its actually the transit line that's really booming, its operating at about 90% of installation capacity, which at the moment is madness.
Funnily enough, I was talking to Colin Flannery and he mentioned there were a few Burnley fans worked there. I'll ask about next time I'm on site

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Re: Nissan

Post by Caballo » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:41 am

Burnley1989 wrote:Funnily enough, I was talking to Colin Flannery and he mentioned there were a few Burnley fans worked there. I'll ask about next time I'm on site
There's only 2 of us, though we have managed to promote Burnley successfully to become a significant number of people's 2nd team.

Sadly I have to report there is a rovers fan there too, he seems to get very excited every time it's muted that we're going to upgrade a transmission to cope with more horsepower!!
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