Siddo wrote:Funnily enough, over 17 million people voted remain in 1975 to 8 million leavers..
Using Ringo's logic, why on earth did we have another referendum in 2016?
The people had spoken and by a massive majority voted to stay. Where is democracy in this instance?
I refuse to believe that anyone that voted leave in 2016 thought, or wanted to leave with no deal. I also think that no leave voter thought about the Irish border.
However, with some degree of stubbornness, these leave voters still want to leave, because they voted leave, and try to fool themselves that this is really what they wanted all along.
I voted leave in 2016,but i certainly didn't vote for no deal,the problem is nothing can get a majority in parliament.
May's deal=WA voted down 3 times
2nd referendum=voted down at least twice possibly more.
Customs union=voted down again at least twice.
Revocation of A50 again no majority-even though the 2016 referendum was only advisory,if parliament genuinely believes leaving the EU is a terrible idea,then grow some balls and vote accordingly.
And lastly no deal=again cannot command a majority,and never will whatever Boris says.
My compromise would be a permanent CU,this would i believe solve the Irish border issue,and i think would get the backing of the DUP,however the main stumbling block is the evangelical ERG,they won't accept anything that doesn't fit their brexit paradise narrative,but this is one of the options that might command a majority in the HOC,whether that would still be the case now is open to question,but it's one of the few credible options to move the process forward,the country is bored of brexit and wants to get onto other important policies such as climate change and social care amongst other things.
In reply to the op,no a 2nd referendum isn't undemocratic in itself,but if the questions are remain in the EU/or leave with no-deal,where do the millions of leave voters that want a sensible brexit place their cross,people are being forced to choose between two extremes.
For what it's worth i'll abstain if that's the options presented,no-deal is a non-sequitur anyway,because if we want to trade with the EU,which i'm sure even the likes of Nigel Farage and JRM would agree that we do,then at some point we'll have to bite the bullet and agree a future trading relationship,ideally this would happen well we're on good terms with our European neighbours.
Now it's just possible that Boris can produce a rabbit out of the hat to break the current impasse,but i have grave doubts.
The most likely outcome is yet another extension,but even that's by means guaranteed,and might well come with conditions attached,so much for taking back control.
A genuine question for people that wish to remain and reform the EU,i don't completely disagree with this approach,i'm unsure how these reforms would be achieved and what they would involve however.
