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ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:21 am

Phil Whalley (London Clarets) reviews the new book Bob Lord of Burnley by mikes & davet

See link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/dreams-of-autarky" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Big thanks to Phil for this.

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Post by CleggHall » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:44 am

A great, painstaking review, an excellent read.
Many thanks to Phil Whalley and the book's authors.
We are blessed to have so many fine scribes generously supporting the clarets.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by martin_p » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:45 am

Well that’s comprehensive! Not sure I need to read the book now ;)

Great review and looks like it’ll be a great read.
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Post by Culmclaret » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:54 am

My mother grew up on Coal Clough Lane in the 20s and 30s. They did not buy their meat from Lord’s however!

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by dsr » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:57 am

If I hadn't already ordered the book, I certainly would now!

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Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:16 am

Don't need the book after reading that epistle.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by mdd2 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:07 am

ClaretTony wrote:Phil Whalley (London Clarets) reviews the new book Bob Lord of Burnley by mikes & davet

See link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/dreams-of-autarky" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Big thanks to Phil for this.
Wow what an excellent read.

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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:56 pm

What a great review. Certainly an interesting subject, particularly for those of us who have been around for a long time

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by International class » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:59 pm

That's one hell of a review.

All together now:

"Bob Lord knows my father, father knows Bob Lord"

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Post by Hibsclaret » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:18 pm

Great review.

Very interesting that lots of his premonitions came true. Definitely was a character and had his faults, no doubt about that.

He was clearly getting a bit too old during the 70s when his obstinance got the better of him and affected the club.

Would have been interesting seeing him in today’s football. Would probably be watching and cringing much like if the likes of Cloughie were around. Would probably prefer him to be in charge at another club though.... :o

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:55 pm

This article first appeared in the London Clarets mag. For a measly £22 you can join and get the bi-monthly magazine delivered through your letter box. The diarist is DaveT. and there are some other half decent scribes contributing as well. https://www.londonclarets.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IMHO Phil is one of the best football writers that there is. He is also a mega Accy Stanley fan and has produced two really brilliant books. He has written the history of Stanley which covers the re-birth of the club from 1962 stops in 2006 after they re-gained their league membership. It is a forensic masterpiece. The title is "Accrington Stanley - The Club That Wouldn't Die"

Even better is a really evocative pictorial history entitled simply "Accrington Stanley Football Club" with those grainy B&W photos from the club's birth to its demise & the pics are enhanced by Phil's poignant commentary. Both are available on Amazon although the latter consists of a number of very pricey second hand volumes.

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Post by mikeS » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:18 pm

Thanks Tony and to Phil for a great review.

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Post by bfcjg » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:15 pm

There's enough for a film.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:53 am

Purchased my copy from the Club shop yesterday and first impressions are it's going to be a fascinating read.

Looking at the photos in the middle of the book, there's one of the first team squad supposedly setting off for the second leg of the European Cup match against Hamburg........something doesn't look quite right........Anybody ?

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Post by Rodleydave » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:56 pm

Come on Roy spill the beans...my heart sank when someone on FB mentioned the front cover was Bob Paisley

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:34 pm

Rodleydave wrote:Come on Roy spill the beans...my heart sank when someone on FB mentioned the front cover was Bob Paisley
Well, Pilky is smack bang in the middle of the photo on the front row. By the time of the second leg in Hamburg Pilky had departed for Bolton by a few weeks. Looking at the photo above that in the book of the players off to New York in 1960, and of the way they are dressed, I'd say the bottom photo is more likely another one of that trip to USA.

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Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:37 pm

Whatever your opinion of Lord, the club would not have Barnfield ( Gawthorpe) without his foresight and ambition. A brilliant man who put a sleepy northern town at the centre of the football world.
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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:47 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Whatever your opinion of Lord, the club would not have Barnfield ( Gawthorpe) without his foresight and ambition. A brilliant man who put a sleepy northern town at the centre of the football world.
Absolutely agree.

He'd been instructed by Ernest Kay, the then Chairman, to not go beyond bidding £1,250 for Gawthorpe at the auction. He eventually went to £5,000 using funds from Lord's butchers and the rest is history. We recently spent £12 million converting the 79 acres into one of the finest training centres in football.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:24 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Absolutely agree.

He'd been instructed by Ernest Kay, the then Chairman, to not go beyond bidding £1,250 for Gawthorpe at the auction. He eventually went to £5,000 using funds from Lord's butchers and the rest is history. We recently spent £12 million converting the 79 acres into one of the finest training centres in football.
What sort of sum would that be comparable to now do you think?

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Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:43 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:What sort of sum would that be comparable to now do you think?
Difficult to say but you could probably buy a decent house for c 1000 pounds. Today 100,000 pounds so if you factor the 5000 x 100 then about half a million. Maybe a bit more but in that region. I started work in 1962 aged 15. Got paid 10 pounds a month so that will give you some idea of the inflation rate since then ! My parents bought a new bungalow on Highfield ave in mid/late 1960`s. Cost 2950 pounds.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:45 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Well, Pilky is smack bang in the middle of the photo on the front row. By the time of the second leg in Hamburg Pilky had departed for Bolton by a few weeks. Looking at the photo above that in the book of the players off to New York in 1960, and of the way they are dressed, I'd say the bottom photo is more likely another one of that trip to USA.
Well spotted. Sounds right to me

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:05 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Difficult to say but you could probably buy a decent house for c 1000 pounds. Today 100,000 pounds so if you factor the 5000 x 100 then about half a million. Maybe a bit more but in that region. I started work in 1962 aged 15. Got paid 10 pounds a month so that will give you some idea of the inflation rate since then ! My parents bought a new bungalow on Highfield ave in mid/late 1960`s. Cost 2950 pounds.
I'd put it at considerably more than half a million.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:29 pm

In terms of inflation, my mum and dad moved into their house in 1949 and bought it two years later after initially renting it. In 1989 my mum had new windows and doors fitted and the front door cost more than the house had cost.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:39 pm

That review could be a book in itself.....that's some review is that .

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Re: ARTICLE: Dreams of Autarky

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:51 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:I'd put it at considerably more than half a million.
Your reply got me thinking. I have researched average UK farmland prices and according to Savills they were 80 GBP per acre. I would assume prices in the north were below that. Bob Lord paid just over 62 GBP per acre for Gawthorpe which sounds about right. Today the average price is 8000 GBP per acre, so if we apply the same logic and the purchase price I would say maybe 6500 per acre is about right in todays prices. So 80 acres @ 6200 = 496,000 GBP. If we use the national figure of 8000 per acre then we have 640,000 GBP.

Whatever the figure, it was the best 5000 pounds Burnley FC ever spent.

Any idea what admission prices on The Turf were in mid Fifties CT ?

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:55 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Any idea what admission prices on The Turf were in mid Fifties CT ?
Long before my time but I do remember paying 6d when I started going in 1960 although I can’t remember whether that was first team or reserves. I think it was reserves which would have meant 1/- for first team and adults paying 2/-

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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Long before my time but I do remember paying 6d when I started going in 1960 although I can’t remember whether that was first team or reserves. I think it was reserves which would have meant 1/- for first team and adults paying 2/-
I have vague recollections of a season ticket costing about 1 pound but could be way wrong ( probably junior price in fifties)

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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:14 pm

Standing ticket for 1966 World Cup Final cost 10 bob ! ( 50p)

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:01 pm

".........At the 1948 Burnley AGM, a 38 years old Bob Lord was there again, sitting at the back, taking it all in. Despite announcing a Profit of almost £19,000 on the season, Burnley chairman Tom Clegg said there was little or no money available for new players........"

Some things never change. ;)
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Post by Rodleydave » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:49 pm

Going well int club shop, less so on Amazon it seems, support your local independent shop and order from Colne High St bookshop as well.
Don't know if it's in Smiths yet.
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