New idea for goal kicks
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New idea for goal kicks
This could well become the norm with the new Laws
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
If other teams start doing it I hope they work it better than that one did.
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With the distance and accuracy the keepers kick with these days, it's a great tactic/use of the rule change.
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It should certainly allow us to waste even more time when it comes to taking goal kicks.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
When picking up pass backs were banned wasn’t manufacturing a header part of the law?
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
A flick up is classed as a 'double touch' and won't be allowed.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
Anything that breaks the cycle of backpassing sideways passing and then back to the keeper is a positive thing
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
Exactly....I believe the ball is only in play once kicked and it moves....so this action won't be allowed...you can't take free kicks by flicking the ball up in the air.dougcollins wrote:A flick up is classed as a 'double touch' and won't be allowed.
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New Goal Kick rule
now the ball doesn't have to leave the area - there is some innovation going on - how long before we see this type of thing at the Turf
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I take it you didn't see the OP Chester m8Chester Perry wrote:now the ball doesn't have to leave the area - there is some innovation going on - how long before we see this type of thing at the Turf
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
Unsporting behaviour includes when a player "uses a deliberate trick to pass the ball (including from a free kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands"
I would have thought that was covered by this one. As I remember, it's a law brought in immediately after the back pass law was introduced, after our very own Brian Laws (playing for Forest) knelt down and nudged the ball back to the keeper with his knee.
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I would have thought that was covered by this one. As I remember, it's a law brought in immediately after the back pass law was introduced, after our very own Brian Laws (playing for Forest) knelt down and nudged the ball back to the keeper with his knee.
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Re: New Goal Kick rule
Bosscat wrote:I take it you didn't see the OP Chester m8
always hurts - especially when you don't like others doing it
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I it was think the fact your original new thread was merged with this new one m8...Chester Perry wrote: always hurts - especially when you don't like others doing it
So not your fault really
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
merging was right - Mods on the ball - no problem there - really don't like multiple threads on same subject
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
Sorry to disappoint, however, it is legal to flick the ball these days and, because the keeper has flicked it to another player and he has headed it back,everything is within the Laws of the Game and this has been confirmed by the Lawmakers as Chester has shown in Post 9dsr wrote:Unsporting behaviour includes when a player "uses a deliberate trick to pass the ball (including from a free kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands"
I would have thought that was covered by this one. As I remember, it's a law brought in immediately after the back pass law was introduced, after our very own Brian Laws (playing for Forest) knelt down and nudged the ball back to the keeper with his knee.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
So we can now do a 'Ernie Hunt' then?
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The IFAB have a funny idea of the laws, even if they are the ones in charge of them. How can it be an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if the goalkeeper doesn't pick it up; but at the same time it is not an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if he does pick it up?Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Sorry to disappoint, however, it is legal to flick the ball these days and, because the keeper has flicked it to another player and he has headed it back,everything is within the Laws of the Game and this has been confirmed by the Lawmakers as Chester has shown in Post 9
I have never heard that the back-pass law only applies if it is an attempt to waste time. That is definitely a new one to me, and it isn't written in the laws that I can find.
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This is the Lawmakers doing their bit to make the game more exciting for those watchingand to speed the game up lol.dsr wrote:The IFAB have a funny idea of the laws, even if they are the ones in charge of them. How can it be an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if the goalkeeper doesn't pick it up; but at the same time it is not an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if he does pick it up?
I have never heard that the back-pass law only applies if it is an attempt to waste time. That is definitely a new one to me, and it isn't written in the laws that I can find.
Their idea that a goalkick could be taken anywhere in the area instead of it having to be on the side that the ball went out was the first mistake and has allowed keepers to legally waste time by taking the ball right across the area.
This latest idea was so that a keeper could play the ball short to a colleague without the ball going out of the area etc.
It is blindingly obvious that they never really considered all the possible actions relating to this change, hence the variation as shown, which is perfectly legal. The only thing with that action should be the referee then ensuring that the keeper plays the ball within 6 seconds once he has received it back.
The back pass law applies all the time and should a player flick the ball up onto his own head to make a back pass then this would be penalised ---nothing at all to do with wasting time!.
This Law change was totally needless and will lead to more confusion as the season progresses because the incident shown has created much debate amongst the officials with some saying that it was illegal and others saying that there is nothing wrong with it ---as has been confirmed by the IFAB.
The next controversy will occur when an opponent scores after being in the area when the goal kick is taken, however, that is another tale!
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
So there has now been clarification about the incident the other day and here is the word from IFAB -----
Zurich, 2 August 2019
Law 16 – The Goal kick – clarifications
The changes to the Laws of the Game 2019/20 have proved successful as seen at the FIFA Women’s World Cup™, FIFA u20 World Cup™ and in confederation and national competitions. The changes to Law 16 – The Goal Kick have often led to the game being restarted quickly and positively but there are two situations which have generated questions from across the football world which we would like to clarify.
Goalkeeper ‘lifting’ the ball to a team mate who heads/chests it back to the goalkeeper
There has been much debate about whether, at a goal kick, the goalkeeper is permitted to ‘lift’ the ball to a team mate to head or chest it back to the goalkeeper to catch and then put into play. The views of technical and refereeing experts about whether this is within the ‘spirit’ of the Laws is divided so the matter will be discussed by The IFAB Technical Sub Committee. Until then, this practice should not be permitted nor should it be penalised - if it occurs the referee should order the goal kick to be re-taken (but no disciplinary action).
Opponent in the penalty area when a goal kick is taken
Law 16 requires all opponents to be outside the penalty area until the goal kick is taken and if an opponent remains inside or enters the penalty area before the kick is taken and plays, challenges or touches the ball, the goal kick is retaken.
However, Law 16 also applies the ‘quick’ free kick principles outlined in Law 13 Free Kicks – Offences and sanctions that if any opponents are in the penalty areas because they did not have time to leave, the referee allows play to continue.
In practical terms, this means that referees should manage goal kicks (and defending team free kicks in their own penalty area) in the same way as they manage free kicks:
· Unless the kick is taken quickly, opposing players should be required to be outside the penalty area and remain outside until the kick has been taken
· If the kick is taken quickly and an opponent genuinely did not have time to leave the penalty area, the opponent may not interfere with or prevent the taking of the kick but may intercept the ball once it is in play. This is allowed because the defending team, as at a quick free kick, tried to gain an advantage by taking the kick quickly and if this ‘goes wrong’ the Law is not there to ‘save’ them.
· Players who deliberately remain inside or enter the penalty area before the kick is taken should not gain an unfair advantage, even if the kick is taken quickly
If an opposing player commits an offence (as outlined above) the goal kick is retaken; there is no disciplinary sanction unless the offence occurs a number of times (persistent misconduct)
Referees are skilled at managing 9.15m at free kicks and they should apply these skills and principles to the management of goal kicks and defending team free kicks in their own penalty area.
We hope that these clarifications will be helpful in the application of Law 16 and would ask that you communicate them to your referees, participants and the media.
If any further clarifications are required, please e mail the Technical Director of The IFAB: David.Elleray@theifab.com
Zurich, 2 August 2019
Law 16 – The Goal kick – clarifications
The changes to the Laws of the Game 2019/20 have proved successful as seen at the FIFA Women’s World Cup™, FIFA u20 World Cup™ and in confederation and national competitions. The changes to Law 16 – The Goal Kick have often led to the game being restarted quickly and positively but there are two situations which have generated questions from across the football world which we would like to clarify.
Goalkeeper ‘lifting’ the ball to a team mate who heads/chests it back to the goalkeeper
There has been much debate about whether, at a goal kick, the goalkeeper is permitted to ‘lift’ the ball to a team mate to head or chest it back to the goalkeeper to catch and then put into play. The views of technical and refereeing experts about whether this is within the ‘spirit’ of the Laws is divided so the matter will be discussed by The IFAB Technical Sub Committee. Until then, this practice should not be permitted nor should it be penalised - if it occurs the referee should order the goal kick to be re-taken (but no disciplinary action).
Opponent in the penalty area when a goal kick is taken
Law 16 requires all opponents to be outside the penalty area until the goal kick is taken and if an opponent remains inside or enters the penalty area before the kick is taken and plays, challenges or touches the ball, the goal kick is retaken.
However, Law 16 also applies the ‘quick’ free kick principles outlined in Law 13 Free Kicks – Offences and sanctions that if any opponents are in the penalty areas because they did not have time to leave, the referee allows play to continue.
In practical terms, this means that referees should manage goal kicks (and defending team free kicks in their own penalty area) in the same way as they manage free kicks:
· Unless the kick is taken quickly, opposing players should be required to be outside the penalty area and remain outside until the kick has been taken
· If the kick is taken quickly and an opponent genuinely did not have time to leave the penalty area, the opponent may not interfere with or prevent the taking of the kick but may intercept the ball once it is in play. This is allowed because the defending team, as at a quick free kick, tried to gain an advantage by taking the kick quickly and if this ‘goes wrong’ the Law is not there to ‘save’ them.
· Players who deliberately remain inside or enter the penalty area before the kick is taken should not gain an unfair advantage, even if the kick is taken quickly
If an opposing player commits an offence (as outlined above) the goal kick is retaken; there is no disciplinary sanction unless the offence occurs a number of times (persistent misconduct)
Referees are skilled at managing 9.15m at free kicks and they should apply these skills and principles to the management of goal kicks and defending team free kicks in their own penalty area.
We hope that these clarifications will be helpful in the application of Law 16 and would ask that you communicate them to your referees, participants and the media.
If any further clarifications are required, please e mail the Technical Director of The IFAB: David.Elleray@theifab.com
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
We can all sleep soundly now.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
9.15m. Ha ha.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
I can honestly say that I've never been incensed by any actions at a goalkick. Now myself and many others have been over diving and feigned injuries and still no action I can think of from lawmakers. Football was a great game for over a hundred years please leave well.alone.
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Re: New idea for goal kicks
dsr wrote:The IFAB have a funny idea of the laws, even if they are the ones in charge of them. How can it be an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if the goalkeeper doesn't pick it up; but at the same time it is not an offence to use a deliberate trick to pass the ball back to the goalkeeper with the head, even if he does pick it up?
I’m assuming because the keeper has initially flicked it up to a teammate that the “phase of play” (if you know what I mean) has changed, whereas if a single player does the flick then head it is the same