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Re: Heats

Post by MACCA » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:07 am

ClaretTony wrote:We have offered - I think it has become clear recently that Tom isn't signing it and potentially wants to move on. A lot of criticism of the club here should this go through but I believe the club have done everything they can to keep Tom Heaton at Burnley.

Fully agree
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Re: Heats

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:08 am

£9million for Vokes, £2.3million cut of the Ings profit...£8.5m now for Heaton.

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Re: Heats

Post by Spijed » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:08 am

The key is basically the fitness of Pope.

If he only misses one or two games we have a keeper who helped us finish 7th.

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Re: Heats

Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:09 am

Has Dyche said anything on Pope's fitness?

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Re: Heats

Post by JohnDearyMe » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 am

Awful news if true. I shudder at the thought of starting the season with Joe Hart in goals

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Re: Heats

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 am

On SSN yellow bar saying £9 million

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Re: Heats

Post by Chuckypad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 am

Gutted!

We are going to seriously regret losing Heaton

Seems like we have lots of ITK posters on here so just wondering why he won't sign a new contract? Is it wages, length of contract, etc?

Personally, I'd make him the highest earner and give him at least 2 years. 33 is no age for a keeper
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Re: Heats

Post by alwaysaclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Sell Hart if Heaton goes and pool the money to buy a first class keeper.
Look at how long villa have been looking for that top class keeper, they've come with Tom, another top class keeper would cost what we can't afford, that's why we should be keeping him.

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Re: Heats

Post by BobSykes » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 am

ClaretTony wrote:We have offered - I think it has become clear recently that Tom isn't signing it and potentially wants to move on. A lot of criticism of the club here should this go through but I believe the club have done everything they can to keep Tom Heaton at Burnley.
Including a legally binding contract that expires next summer. We could have kept him to that. Instead we have been too soft and obviously agreed to help him on his way once Pope was identified as the longer term preference. Now that Pope is injured, again, we are exposed.
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Re: Heats

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 am

I’m as gutted as anyone to see Heaton leave but just think back to that injury against Palace. Many, including me, thought that was us in serious trouble. We went on to have the best season most of us will ever see. It’s so sad to see Tom go but it’s in the best interests of the club.

On Popes injury - I don’t believe for a second we would let Tom go if this was anything more than a knock.

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Re: Heats

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 am

The last two summer transfer windows (including this one) Tom has been angling for a move away. The time is right imo, although I do tend to agree selling to a rival is foolhardy. However who are we to stand in Tom's way after the service he's given us

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Heaton to Aston Villa

Post by BigF » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 am

Sky are showing that we have agreed a deal with Aston Villa for Tom Heaton at £9 million.

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Re: Heats

Post by claretspice » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 am

Spijed wrote:Won't SD have looked at the Sam Vokes situation in the same way?

Some said he would be a big loss yet we haven't missed him at all. If Pope is fit soon then it could turn out to be a good bit of business.

We shall see.
TO an extent, that's true. But Heaton has been captain pretty much since he joined, so he's been the architect (from the playing side) of the dressing room culture that underpins our success. He's clearly in a different category in that respect to Vokes. And in any event, the more of those players who leave, the remoter the link to the beginning of the project becomes.

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Re: Heats

Post by deanothedino » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Dyche evidently blamed Hart to some extent. We defend as a unit and this just wasn’t happening when he had the jersey.
Or he was running out of things to try so he changed keeper.

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Re: Heats

Post by deanothedino » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:15 am

BobSykes wrote:Including a legally binding contract that expires next summer. We could have kept him to that. Instead we have been too soft and obviously agreed to help him on his way once Pope was identified as the longer term preference. Now that Pope is injured, again, we are exposed.
Too soft or identified someone who could become a dressing room issue if he's kept against his will.

Doubt that would be down to Tom's behaviour but having people who don't want to be there in a workplace can have a negative effect.

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Re: Heats

Post by Swizzlestick » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:15 am

deanothedino wrote:Or he was running out of things to try so he changed keeper.
Maybe but clearly found the source of the problem whether by accident or design.

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Re: Heats

Post by claretspice » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:We have offered - I think it has become clear recently that Tom isn't signing it and potentially wants to move on. A lot of criticism of the club here should this go through but I believe the club have done everything they can to keep Tom Heaton at Burnley.
Well, we had the option of keeping him here for the next season. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Heaton is actively agitating for a move or is becoming disruptive. Of course that might be the case, but if it isn't, then there was no pressure to sell. In those circumstances it seems surprising to me that we've prioritised cashing in on £9 million ish over keeping such a hugely influential figure, and a figure who did very well for us last season so clearly has plenty of football left in the tank - particularly when he'll be signing for a direct relegation rival.
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Re: Heats

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:16 am

I think the time is right, though I'm more concerned about losing a good captain rather than a goalkeeper.

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Re: Heats

Post by deanothedino » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:16 am

Swizzlestick wrote:Maybe but clearly found the source of the problem whether by accident or design.
Or one of a million other variables that still change game to game.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that 10 players can be **** just because of the keeper behind them.

Some people say the lads don't like Hart or whatever, but that's clearly nonsense whenever you see him around the squad.

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Re: Heats

Post by creepingdeath » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:17 am

Ffs I got him to sign a new deal on football manager and on less pay and then went on to win 8 champions leagues in a row
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Re: Heats

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:17 am

ClaretTony wrote:We have offered - I think it has become clear recently that Tom isn't signing it and potentially wants to move on. A lot of criticism of the club here should this go through but I believe the club have done everything they can to keep Tom Heaton at Burnley.
They could have not signed Hart.
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Re: Heats

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:18 am

I wish people would show a bit more faith in Dyche. If he thinks the Heaton deal is right for Burnley and that Pope and Hart is all we need then that's good enough for me. I'd much rather trust Dyche's opinion than some whinging fan on a messageboard
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Re: Heats

Post by joey13 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:18 am

Ridiculous decision to sell the club captain 10 days before the season starts , the usual suspects saying the club has done everything to keep him , what rubbish ,shouldn’t have been allowed to get to this .
Good luck Tom

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Re: Heats

Post by joey13 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:I wish people would show a bit more faith in Dyche. If he thinks the Heaton deal is right for Burnley and that Pope and Hart is all we need then that's good enough for me. I'd much rather trust Dyche's opinion than some whinging fan on a messageboard
Sometimes more is less

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Re: Heats

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am

Gutted, and £8m is no price for a keeper of Tom's quality but we still have two fantastic goalkeepers at the club.

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Re: Heats

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am

On the plus side that should bring our cash bank balance to about £50m.
Our interest on this will hopefully pay for some new toilets in the Lower Jimmy Mac - fingers crossed.

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Re: Heats

Post by whiffa » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am

The only news I could have woken up too this morning worse than losing Heaton, would be to lose Dyche. To lose our club captain at the start of a new season is absolute madness, I of course wish Heaton all the best but I simply cannot comprehend the club's decision here. The way he changed the team when he came in last season is irreplaceable.

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Re: Heats

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am

joey13 wrote:Ridiculous decision to sell the club captain 10 days before the season starts , the usual suspects saying the club has done everything to keep him , what rubbish ,shouldn’t have been allowed to get to this .
How do you stop it getting to this? It's been clear for some time that he didn't want to sign a new contract and you can't force him to. We could keep him for a further year, potentially against his wishes, or sell him. Not sure what the club can do here.
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Re: Heats

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:21 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:I wish people would show a bit more faith in Dyche. If he thinks the Heaton deal is right for Burnley and that Pope and Hart is all we need then that's good enough for me. I'd much rather trust Dyche's opinion than some whinging fan on a messageboard
Probably the most sensible thing you've ever written on here.

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Re: Heats

Post by deanothedino » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:22 am

Tall Paul wrote:They could have not signed Hart.
They had no choice but to sign a keeper. Heaton was coming back from a serious injury and Pope was out with a serious injury.

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Re: Heats

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:23 am

Where is the money going? The Vokes sale covered Rodriguez. So we’ve spent less than 2 million this window. We keep getting these yearly cash windfalls, yet seemingly need to sell before buying. How? Are we gonna invest any of this money into the first 11 to help Dyche?
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Re: Heats

Post by aggi » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:24 am

claretspice wrote:Well, we had the option of keeping him here for the next season. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Heaton is actively agitating for a move or is becoming disruptive. Of course that might be the case, but if it isn't, then there was no pressure to sell. In those circumstances it seems surprising to me that we've prioritised cashing in on £9 million ish over keeping such a hugely influential figure, and a figure who did very well for us last season so clearly has plenty of football left in the tank - particularly when he'll be signing for a direct relegation rival.
Obviously we don't know what's happening behind the scenes but Heaton wasn't shy about telling the press play me or I'm leaving last December and the players would have been aware of that.

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Re: Heats

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:24 am

ClaretTony wrote:How do you stop it getting to this? It's been clear for some time that he didn't want to sign a new contract and you can't force him to. We could keep him for a further year, potentially against his wishes, or sell him. Not sure what the club can do here.

We should have forced him to sign, think that is how it works
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Re: Heats

Post by Chuckypad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:25 am

ClaretTony wrote:How do you stop it getting to this? It's been clear for some time that he didn't want to sign a new contract and you can't force him to. We could keep him for a further year, potentially against his wishes, or sell him. Not sure what the club can do here.
Any inkling why he wouldn't sign? Wages, Contract duration? What was he offered?

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Re: Heats

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:I wish people would show a bit more faith in Dyche. If he thinks the Heaton deal is right for Burnley and that Pope and Hart is all we need then that's good enough for me. I'd much rather trust Dyche's opinion than some whinging fan on a messageboard
Sorry logged in on wrong username. What the hell is the club playing at. Absolutely no ambition by the board and if we come 17th or higher this season we'll be very lucky
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Re: Heats

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 am

TVC15 wrote:On the plus side that should bring our cash bank balance to about £50m.
Our interest on this will hopefully pay for some new toilets in the Lower Jimmy Mac - fingers crossed.
We are going to have the best hand dryers a football ground has ever seen!
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Re: Heats

Post by fatboy47 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 am

deanothedino wrote:They had no choice but to sign a keeper. Heaton was coming back from a serious injury and Pope was out with a serious injury.
They may well have needed to sign a keeper...belt and braces etc....

But Hart ?...a big time keeper ..on massive money...all we needed was a few games cover

a big error of judgement , and Hart was always going to be an absolute white elephant...
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Re: Heats

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 am

deanothedino wrote:They had no choice but to sign a keeper. Heaton was coming back from a serious injury and Pope was out with a serious injury.
It was slightly tongue in cheek, but we could have gone with Lindegaard for a bit or signed a keeper that isn't shite.

I'll didn't understand the signing at the time and I still don't.
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Re: Heats

Post by Guitargeorge » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:26 am

Sky saying he is off for nine million. Travelling for medical today

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Re: Heats

Post by ksrclaret » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:27 am

Hart is fine but what a stinker from the club.

How many points did we get without him last year again?

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Re: Heats

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:28 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:I wish people would show a bit more faith in Dyche. If he thinks the Heaton deal is right for Burnley and that Pope and Hart is all we need then that's good enough for me. I'd much rather trust Dyche's opinion than some whinging fan on a messageboard

After all he has done here you would think Dyche would be trusted by now, we still though have better managers on here (who don't work in football) along with better recruitment staff (who also don't work in football) all this talent on a messageboard going to waste.

For those saying with Heaton not playing we will go down, how did we stay up when he missed almost a full season injured ? There are a lot of people on here as usual hammering the club for selling someone who wants out and cashing in, yet if they had something they liked worth £5 today and nothing tomorrow they would be selling.

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Re: Heats

Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:29 am

Tall Paul wrote:It was slightly tongue in cheek, but we could have gone with Lindegaard for a bit or signed a keeper that isn't shite.

I'll didn't understand the signing at the time and I still don't.
I bet theres a lot of players wishing they was as shite as joe hart . Look what he has won through his football career you can hardly call him shite
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Re: Heats

Post by SGr » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:30 am

Can’t criticise the club for this one - it’s inevitable. He’d have almost certainly actively wanted the move and from there it’s just about agreeing a reasonable fee, which this probably is.

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Re: Heats

Post by Flat Stanley » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:30 am

Don't need the money, don't need to sell. Heaton is a professional and will do a great job even if we kept him and he wanted out. Absolute madness to sell him to a potential relegation rival for £8m.

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Re: Heats

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:31 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Sell Hart if Heaton goes and pool the money to buy a first class keeper.
We had at least 2 and 3 if you include Hart (I personally dont rate Hart) so with Pope injured we'll be down to 0 top class keepers (as I dont rate Hart) unless Pope's injury is nothing to worry about.

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Re: Heats

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:31 am

Suicidal decision to let Heaton leave...If he won’t sign a new deal we make him stay this season until the end of the season...8 million is small change in comparison to the Premier League annual windfall...Deja Vu starting all over again...Joe Hart makes a few good saves but can’t get down to low shots and can’t collect crosses into the box because he is rooted to his line...Burnley bottom of the league...Suicide
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Re: Heats

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:31 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:We should have forced him to sign, think that is how it works
That is exactly how it doesn't work
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Re: Heats

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:32 am

Reecey1987 wrote:I bet theres a lot of players wishing they was as shite as joe hart . Look what he has won through his football career you can hardly call him shite
I can and I did.

He used to be good, but he's been shite for years now.
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Re: Heats

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:33 am

Chuckypad wrote:Any inkling why he wouldn't sign? Wages, Contract duration? What was he offered?
None whatsoever, but it's become clear recently through media speculation that he wasn't signing a new deal although Nixon hinted around a week ago that he might do.

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Re: Heats

Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:33 am

Tall Paul wrote:I can and I did.

He used to be good, but he's been shite for years now.
Matter of opinion

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