you asked whether we should have extended his contract whilst he was still injured - just like we did with Defour.dsr wrote:There is a difference between the club being able to extend Dufour's contract and he doesn't have a say in it, and the club being able to offer Heaton a new contract but it's up to him whether he accepts.
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Maybe Heaton won't do as well at Villa as he has with us under Dyche. I very much doubt he'll be afforded the same protection (ie from the framework) as he's had here.
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Are you sure Defour was injured when we took the option to extend ?Granny WeatherWax wrote:you asked whether we should have extended his contract whilst he was still injured - just like we did with Defour.
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My real worry here is that we strengthen a relegation rival whilst weakening ourselves. Not ideal.
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Cheers for your service Tom. I won't say good luck because you've gone to a potential rival. Byeeee
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That bottom paragraph in particular is bob on. It will also likely undo the very characteristics and strengths that Dyche has and instils in his current player to man manage the squad as excellently as he does and to keep us competing at this level.Sausage wrote:There's a lot of crystal ball gazing going on here. It's equally possible that we could get relegated with Tom Heaton between the sticks - it happened in 2015 - and he leaves next summer for nothing.
If we insist that contracted players see out the last year of their contract we will ruin the ethos of the club. We sign players, hopefully improve them, and do not stand in their way when they want to move on. If we lose that ethos, we'll find it even harder to sign young talented players in future.
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I've just had a read of the Villa forum, and a fair few of them are asking how good Heaton is on the deck with the ball.
Somewhere between Jonny Wilkinson and Ray Deakin
Somewhere between Jonny Wilkinson and Ray Deakin
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The most insane and inept piece of transfer business by this club since Jimmy Mac was sold.
And if Villa stay up at our expense then the Board of Directors and Mr Dyche (if he is still here by then) deserve to be run out of town by a baying mob.
A very sad day.
I am somewhat vexed....
And if Villa stay up at our expense then the Board of Directors and Mr Dyche (if he is still here by then) deserve to be run out of town by a baying mob.
A very sad day.
I am somewhat vexed....
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No it won't, it's just your liver lilied bottom lip quivering outlook that makes you think that. You need to have a bit of faith in Dyche and the ability of the other 20 odd players who play for our club rather than wetting your knickers at the thought of us losing one playertarkys_ears wrote:If Pope gets injured, it'll cost a lot more than that.
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TH has been brilliant for us. Quite possibly the 3rd best keeper I've had the pleasure of seeing in a claret shirt. He helped turn last season around in a big way from the WHU game to April 19. SD talks about fine margins and I'm only glad nothing was riding on the Everton and Arsenal matches. If it had I can only guess at some of the comments he'd have attracted on here.
SD indicate at the end of last season that one of the 3 would probably be leaving. Most money was on Pope. However out of the blue, he signs a new long deal. For me that indicates to me he is potentially going to be our No1 for the 19/20 season.
Joe Hart seems to be taking an unbelievable amount of stick. I find it quite disrespectful to a player of his standing. A player who has achieved more than Tom can only dream about. He hasn't rocked the boat and has been nothing less than professional. He may have been partly culpable for our poor run of form but I can think of one or two in front of him who for my money were a lot more culpable.
Whist it will be sad to see our leader leave, as seems the case, we are however fortunate still to have two top quality keepers. It makes good business sense to me. Especially if it opens up the purse strings to bring in a much needed quality CM player.
SD indicate at the end of last season that one of the 3 would probably be leaving. Most money was on Pope. However out of the blue, he signs a new long deal. For me that indicates to me he is potentially going to be our No1 for the 19/20 season.
Joe Hart seems to be taking an unbelievable amount of stick. I find it quite disrespectful to a player of his standing. A player who has achieved more than Tom can only dream about. He hasn't rocked the boat and has been nothing less than professional. He may have been partly culpable for our poor run of form but I can think of one or two in front of him who for my money were a lot more culpable.
Whist it will be sad to see our leader leave, as seems the case, we are however fortunate still to have two top quality keepers. It makes good business sense to me. Especially if it opens up the purse strings to bring in a much needed quality CM player.
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Model professional and an exceptional servant.
The right move if he doesn't want to sign a new deal.
The right move if he doesn't want to sign a new deal.
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gutted to read this, best Keeper I've ever seen at the Turf. More than earned his move to a bigger club imho, I wish him all the best - one thing I would point out is only a very small select group of players have left us and done better. My Villa mates are delighted, I've turned my phone off to mourn for the day.
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The deal's off, according to BBC Sport....
edit, Bale to China that is
edit, Bale to China that is
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Give o'er ya fannyBobSykes wrote:The most insane and inept piece of transfer business by this club since Jimmy Mac was sold.
And if Villa stay up at our expense then the Board of Directors and Mr Dyche (if he is still here by then) deserve to be run out of town by a baying mob.
A very sad day.
I am somewhat vexed....
If Villa stay up and we go down it won't be because of Heaton. If his influence was that great on a clubs success or demise £80m wouldn't have been enough and he'd be on his way to Real Madrid not Villa.
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Wrong time with Pope being injured and Villa are the wrong club with them being a team who will most likely finish the season in the bottom third.
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Players come and go and that's their prerogative, the club can't force someone to stay and have a business to run.
Tom is a great Captain and player but like any other job in life, has a right to improve his lot.
Funny how things work out, especially when you have 3 Keepers who have played for England.
Tom is a great Captain and player but like any other job in life, has a right to improve his lot.
Funny how things work out, especially when you have 3 Keepers who have played for England.
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Wow, I know this board has form of having a few lip tremblers but this meltdown and acceptance that we are suddenly relegated due to Heaton no longer playing for us is a new high on here.
It is almost like we have never done a season in this division recently without him
It is almost like we have never done a season in this division recently without him
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Because of course just like Jimmy Mac, Tom has no desire to leave BurnleyBobSykes wrote:The most insane and inept piece of transfer business by this club since Jimmy Mac was sold.
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just like Fulham eh...?lizardlad wrote:With all the signings Villa have made I don't see them as a relegation rival - they'll be safe as houses
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Just stop it. There's no room on this thread for someone speaking sense!ashtonlongsider wrote:TH has been brilliant for us. Quite possibly the 3rd best keeper I've had the pleasure of seeing in a claret shirt. He helped turn last season around in a big way from the WHU game to April 19. SD talks about fine margins and I'm only glad nothing was riding on the Everton and Arsenal matches. If it had I can only guess at some of the comments he'd have attracted on here.
SD indicate at the end of last season that one of the 3 would probably be leaving. Most money was on Pope. However out of the blue, he signs a new long deal. For me that indicates to me he is potentially going to be our No1 for the 19/20 season.
Joe Hart seems to be taking an unbelievable amount of stick. I find it quite disrespectful to a player of his standing. A player who has achieved more than Tom can only dream about. He hasn't rocked the boat and has been nothing less than professional. He may have been partly culpable for our poor run of form but I can think of one or two in front of him who for my money were a lot more culpable.
Whist it will be sad to see our leader leave, as seems the case, we are however fortunate still to have two top quality keepers. It makes good business sense to me. Especially if it opens up the purse strings to bring in a much needed quality CM player.
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Tell that to Fulham...lizardlad wrote:With all the signings Villa have made I don't see them as a relegation rival - they'll be safe as houses
Beat me to it Rick
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they lost 12 players in the summer and have replaced them - that's a huge turnover for any club, a few bad results and they will probably sack the manager because of the outlay in fees this summer. I've not heard of half the players they have signed so cannot talk about their quality thoughlizardlad wrote:With all the signings Villa have made I don't see them as a relegation rival - they'll be safe as houses
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Strange times when I find myself on the same side of the debate as claretonthecoast and Leisureclaretonthecoast1882 wrote:Wow, I know this board has form of having a few lip tremblers but this meltdown and acceptance that we are suddenly relegated due to Heaton no longer playing for us is a new high on here.
It is almost like we have never done a season in this division recently without him
If I think DSR makes a good political point anytime soon then I'll be sure to go see the doctor!!
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Devils_Advocate wrote:Strange times when I find myself on the same side of the debate as claretonthecoast and Leisure
If I think DSR makes a good political point anytime soon then I'll be sure to go see the doctor!!
You will enjoy a visit to the right side of things
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No i think people's concerns are if Pope is out for a longish period,Hart will be our number one,i he hardly covered himself in glory last season did he.Spijed wrote:You'd think Nick Pope (the one that helped us finish 7th) isn't good enough for the Prem, according to the lip tremblers
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On a scale of probability, I would guess somewhere between definitely and absolutely certain.TVC15 wrote:Are you sure Defour was injured when we took the option to extend ?
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Wasn't it the other players who didn't cover themselves in glory? Lowton, Mee, Taylor, Cork, Lennon, JBG didn't cover themselves glory, don't tell it me......this was down to Hart.tiger76 wrote:No i think people's concerns are if Pope is out for a longish period,Hart will be our number one,i he hardly covered himself in glory last season did he.
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I think he had just got back to training with first team when we announced it.Herts Clarets wrote:On a scale of probability, I would guess somewhere between definitely and absolutely certain.
I do agree it was a strange decision but they must have done it based on the advice of our medical team and that he was going to be ok. Either we have been very unlucky and new more serious injuries have developed since then or somebody has made a very expensive mistake. Either way I can’t see him playing for Burnley again and even if he does it will not have been a good decision to take the option - albeit with the benefit of hindsight
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Not totally no but Hart is a different style of goalkeeper to both Heaton and Pope,they will bo**ock their defenders and organise and command the penalty box.Pope in particular eased the pressure on our back line by claiming crosses,Hart's a decent shot-stopper,and he's ok one-on-one,but he's never going to dominate his area,and that puts doubt in defender's minds,and at this level any indecision or small errors will be punished.NL Claret wrote:Wasn't it the other players who didn't cover themselves in glory? Lowton, Mee, Taylor, Cork, Lennon, JBG didn't cover themselves glory, don't tell it me......this was down to Hart.
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Players take time to gel. Would you be happy if you had got villa up and then replaced you all with a new teamlizardlad wrote:With all the signings Villa have made I don't see them as a relegation rival - they'll be safe as houses
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This.NL Claret wrote:We are up to page 8 and some still not accepting Heaton wants to leave.
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Because it's easier to blame everything and everyone else.ElectroClaret wrote:This.
I love Tom, but I also accept it's good business, and the right thing to do as a club, and to do the right thing by Tom.
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Okay - he wanted to go - we don't want or need players that don't want to be here. Whoever they are.
We have two other goalkeepers who are not exactly clowns (whatever some fools think on here about Hart).
When we were playing rubbish before Christmas it was not purely down to Hart, in fact we got some points because of him in a couple of games. Mee and Tarks were not exactly covering themselves in glory either. I still believe our early season bad form was more political rather than any single player's ability.
I am still not certain that Heaton wasn't in some way carrying out a whispering campaign at that time - I said so then. That is obviously speculation but it was the way that it seemed to me, especially in light of the fact that once he came back we were suddenly a team transformed - no goalkeeper is that good.
Losing one player doesn't suddenly make you relegation fodder and especially if that player is a goalie.
Am I sad that Heaton is gone? Yes, he is a great keeper.
Do I think we have lost a potentially bad apple? Quite possibly and he certainly didn't want to be here.
My only puzzlement is that he has gone for only 8m. At today's prices that is peanuts for one of the best (if not THE best) English goalkeepers currently.
Our chances of survival or glory next season have not, in my opinion, been hampered in the least by the loss of a (albeit excellent) keeper.
You never know, the money gained may well be spent in another area where we need strengthening (but knowing our club I wouldn't hold my breath).
Let's all just move on and say bye bye to Heaton and move forward with what we have - nothing in life is permanent.
We have two other goalkeepers who are not exactly clowns (whatever some fools think on here about Hart).
When we were playing rubbish before Christmas it was not purely down to Hart, in fact we got some points because of him in a couple of games. Mee and Tarks were not exactly covering themselves in glory either. I still believe our early season bad form was more political rather than any single player's ability.
I am still not certain that Heaton wasn't in some way carrying out a whispering campaign at that time - I said so then. That is obviously speculation but it was the way that it seemed to me, especially in light of the fact that once he came back we were suddenly a team transformed - no goalkeeper is that good.
Losing one player doesn't suddenly make you relegation fodder and especially if that player is a goalie.
Am I sad that Heaton is gone? Yes, he is a great keeper.
Do I think we have lost a potentially bad apple? Quite possibly and he certainly didn't want to be here.
My only puzzlement is that he has gone for only 8m. At today's prices that is peanuts for one of the best (if not THE best) English goalkeepers currently.
Our chances of survival or glory next season have not, in my opinion, been hampered in the least by the loss of a (albeit excellent) keeper.
You never know, the money gained may well be spent in another area where we need strengthening (but knowing our club I wouldn't hold my breath).
Let's all just move on and say bye bye to Heaton and move forward with what we have - nothing in life is permanent.
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You should be taking Lithium
You should be taking Lithium
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Heaton is a model pro. No way he would spit his dummy out if we didn't sell him. He would carry on and do a top job. He is not the sort of person to cause trouble. He wants to leave. So what! keep him for a season and let him leave on a free. We don't need £8m and keeping him could be far more valuable if he helps keep us up. Selling him to a possible relegation rival for that money is madness. He is our first choice keeper.
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Promoted club with rich owners spends over £100 million on new players...joey13 wrote:Yes because it’s exactly the same isn’t it
Yeah, it's about the same as you're likely to get.
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If you read rubbish like this on UTC so many times then eventually some posters will believe it and take it as read. Heaton doesn't dominate his area like Pope, although he did getter better at this when he wasn't in the side.tiger76 wrote:Not totally no but Hart is a different style of goalkeeper to both Heaton and Pope,they will bo**ock their defenders and organise and command the penalty box.Pope in particular eased the pressure on our back line by claiming crosses,Hart's a decent shot-stopper,and he's ok one-on-one,but he's never going to dominate his area,and that puts doubt in defender's minds,and at this level any indecision or small errors will be punished.
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The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership and stop taking your supporters for idiots. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years and I'm proud of my Club but everything coming out of the Chairmans, CEO, Directors, and even Managers mouth just puts our club down as if where not entitled to be where we are. Every decision the club seem to make these days is a bad one. Its becoming more and more embarrassing. Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc instead of the Amateur small Club mentality that currently exists. UTC
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Selling him would be madness if we don't use the money to strengthen elsewhere. If we sell him and pick up a centre midfielder for 20mi don't think anyone would complain.
My concern is his captaincy and what happened without him last season. Contrary to what people say in the other thread I don't think we have a natural leader to replace him.
Midfielder enforcer needed with leadership and aggression please.
My concern is his captaincy and what happened without him last season. Contrary to what people say in the other thread I don't think we have a natural leader to replace him.
Midfielder enforcer needed with leadership and aggression please.
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we don't play RugbyDannyh1882 wrote:The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership and stop taking your supporters for idiots. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years and I'm proud of my Club but everything coming out of the Chairmans, CEO, Directors, and even Managers mouth just puts our club down as if where not entitled to be where we are. Every decision the club seem to make these days is a bad one. Its becoming more and more embarrassing. Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc instead of the Amateur small Club mentality that currently exists. UTC
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How long did it take you to write that drivel out of interest?Dannyh1882 wrote:The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership and stop taking your supporters for idiots. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years and I'm proud of my Club but everything coming out of the Chairmans, CEO, Directors, and even Managers mouth just puts our club down as if where not entitled to be where we are. Every decision the club seem to make these days is a bad one. Its becoming more and more embarrassing. Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc instead of the Amateur small Club mentality that currently exists. UTC
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