Heats

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Promoted club with rich owners spends over £100 million on new players...

Yeah, it's about the same as you're likely to get.

That comment Just about sums up your ignorance

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:35 pm

Dannyh1882 wrote:The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership and stop taking your supporters for idiots. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years and I'm proud of my Club but everything coming out of the Chairmans, CEO, Directors, and even Managers mouth just puts our club down as if where not entitled to be where we are. Every decision the club seem to make these days is a bad one. Its becoming more and more embarrassing. Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc instead of the Amateur small Club mentality that currently exists. UTC

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:36 pm

joey13 wrote:That comment Just about sums up your ignorance

enlighten us joey

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:39 pm

joey13 wrote:That comment Just about sums up your ignorance

Can't wait for you to enlighten me.

Villa have signed some of the lads they had on loan and then signed some more players.

Fulham did something similar if I recall rightly.

Manager with no PL experience, same at Fulham wasn't it?
Owners bankrolling losses - check.

Real ale 2 · Post by **Real ale 2** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:39 pm

I think your a disgrace Danny1882 utter rubbish .Thanks Tom for everything .He wanted out like in the January transfer window. So he could play think the fee in this day and age is low but was always expecting to lose one keeper admittedly thought it would be Hart even then Tom wouldn't accept being second fiddle

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:40 pm

Spijed wrote:How long did it take you to write that drivel out of interest?

Took him a while because they kept stopping to wipe their chin

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:41 pm

Would be heartbreaking if Heaton left for Villa and then had an outstanding season and kept them in the Prem, especially if at our expense. I understand his position and the club's position, but I just hope it isn't a very costly mistake.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:41 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Can't wait for you to enlighten me.

Villa have signed some of the lads they had on loan and then signed some more players.

Fulham did something similar if I recall rightly.

Manager with no PL experience, same at Fulham wasn't it?
Owners bankrolling losses - check.

Have Villa signed the same players as Fulham ?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:43 pm

I'd feel a lot happier about this transfer if Pope had managed to get a decent pre-season under his belt and looked in good shape to start the season strong.

As it is, Pope hasn't had a great pre-season and may not be ready to start the new season, leaving us with Hart and Legzdins as our two goalkeepers going into the new season, which is far from ideal.

Hopefully Pope will be ok and won't have any other injury problems, and hopefully we use this money to strengthen other areas where we're very light.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:54 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Promoted club with rich owners spends over £100 million on new players...

Yeah, it's about the same as you're likely to get.

Completely different. Fulham chairman undermined his manager and foisted a load of overpriced players on to him with no thought for the teams cohesion and morale

Villa's strategy is led by their manager who has signed three of the loan players who got them up. Signed two players he knows well from his previous club, made a big signing of a striker to fill the hole left by Abraham and as added a couple of other young players with potential like Taggert.

Doesnt mean Villa wont struggle but their approach and strategy this summer is nothing like Fulham's shambolic efforts

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:57 pm

Dannyh1882 wrote:The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership.. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years..

Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc

There's a bit of a contradiction buried in here, can't quite put my finger on it.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:58 pm

I'm being a bit lazy here but....

Do we know the specifics of why Heaton is leaving.

He had a year left on his contract and had been in negotiations with the Club on a new deal. Do we know what that new deal was. And if so what were the stumbling blocks. Did he want more money or a longer deal that was on offer. What caused him not to sign a new deal.

And, I guess, if we are unable to reach an agreement and a club such as Villa put in an offer then we are obliged to look at it and allow Heaton the same courtesy. It is unfortunate that he is going to a team that could be one of our main rivals at the bottom end of the table.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:59 pm

Post #397 could be in for a UTC award. Gold.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:01 pm

Dannyh1882 wrote:The people running Burnley Football Club are a complete disgrace. Every transfer window just gets more farcical. Just come out and be honest and admit that you don't actually want to be in the Premiership and stop taking your supporters for idiots. I've been watching Burnley for over 35 years and I'm proud of my Club but everything coming out of the Chairmans, CEO, Directors, and even Managers mouth just puts our club down as if where not entitled to be where we are. Every decision the club seem to make these days is a bad one. Its becoming more and more embarrassing. Please start running our fantastic, unique and very marketable Football Club as it deserves to be run during this fantastic period that most of us could only of dreamt about during the hard times of the 80's etc instead of the Amateur small Club mentality that currently exists. UTC

Which would you rather have - a club that's really well run but the interviews with the boss don't go well, or a club where they say the right things but what they do is a mess? If the latter, there are still season tickets available at Deadwood ...

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:01 pm

jedi_master wrote:Why are we so quick to be able to get a third choice goalkeeper in as seemingly a priority with Heaton going, but struggle so hard to get a legitimate challenger in central midfield?

Because third choice keepers are ten a penny making them quick and easy to buy, whereas 1st choice premier league central midfielders are much rarer?

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:04 pm

Proper gutted, my favourite player of the Dyche era, oh well thanks for everything you did here, good luck Tom, hope us and Villa stay up now, onwards.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:21 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No it won't, it's just your liver lilied bottom lip quivering outlook that makes you think that. You need to have a bit of faith in Dyche and the ability of the other 20 odd players who play for our club rather than wetting your knickers at the thought of us losing one player

Spot on.

ClaretSteve · Post by **ClaretSteve** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:21 pm

This is big, letting a hero to most fans go. That’s the part that’s so hard to get over.

We can’t make that big name signing to get the fans excited, but we can sell the English international fans favourite to a rival to really put the boot in.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:31 pm

TVC15 wrote:Are you sure Defour was injured when we took the option to extend ?

Yes.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:40 pm

deanothedino wrote:Because third choice keepers are ten a penny making them quick and easy to buy, whereas 1st choice premier league central midfielders are much rarer?

We've got millions of pounds in the bank and a whole world of centre midfielders out there. It shouldn't be that difficult, but we choose to limit ourselves to 30 year old British players, who've preferably had a spell in the Championship.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:48 pm

jrgbfc wrote:We've got millions of pounds in the bank and a whole world of centre midfielders out there. It shouldn't be that difficult, but we choose to limit ourselves to 30 year old British players, who've preferably had a spell in the Championship.

Which 30 year old British central midfielders who have had a spell in the Championship have we signed whilst we have been a Premier League club ?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:49 pm

Good business from the club. Tom wanted away, he had only had 12 months left on his contract and we have got a few bob for him. What now happens with Hart is the question, does he stay or does he go?

Looks like this young fella from Leeds is coming in and from what I have seen of him he is not ready for Premier league football, so I wouldn't be surprised if Joe stays

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:27 pm

TVC15 wrote:Which 30 year old British central midfielders who have had a spell in the Championship have we signed whilst we have been a Premier League club ?

You're getting in the way of good old agenda driven bullshit.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:31 pm

Top Claret wrote:Good business from the club. Tom wanted away, he had only had 12 months left on his contract and we have got a few bob for him. What now happens with Hart is the question, does he stay or does he go?

Looks like this young fella from Leeds is coming in and from what I have seen of him he is not ready for Premier league football, so I wouldn't be surprised if Joe stays

Quite possible as we had Robinson here as No2 the summer we signed Pope and when he left Pope was promoted to number 2 and the rest is history.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:36 pm

We have to be pragmatic and assume that Tom was unsettled as he wasn't GUARANTEED to be first choice, he's not that young any more and he had the chance to go to another PL club and get a hefty wage + lengthy contract. Add to that that BFC are getting a very decent return on basically no original outlay and both parties probably thought it was time to cut and run. It's very sad tbh and I think he'll be brilliant for them, but we have to be realistic.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:38 pm

The medical might not be a formality. His injury was much more serious than Pope's and could be a contributory factor to why we decided to let him leave.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:39 pm

Anyway you cut it selling Tom with Nick injured is a serious error and complete folly by our chairman.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:40 pm

This place is proper weird at times

People want us to fire up the conveyer belt for the next round of young players and when we do exactly that plus move on an older one people aren't happy.

Someone has to go for the next lad to come in, we've been offered a decent fee for someone who we signed for free, we've got the last lad from the conveyor belt ready to be Number 1 and he's proven to us all that he's a perfect replacement for Heaton.
We've got a decent number 2 in Hart, if he stays, and this lad from Leeds is going to replace Hart one way or another....

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:41 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Anyway you cut it selling Tom with Nick injured is a serious error and complete folly by our chairman.

They're expecting Nick to be fit by the time the season starts..

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:43 pm

Why don't we all just imagine Tom did his shoulder in against Nice last night and is out for the season....oh no we are doomed relegation looms, step up to the plate Nick Pope we have been here before,good luck Tom, it's not the end of the world..in Nick we trust.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:52 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:This place is proper weird at times

People want us to fire up the conveyer belt for the next round of young players and when we do exactly that plus move on an older one people aren't happy.

Someone has to go for the next lad to come in, we've been offered a decent fee for someone who we signed for free, we've got the last lad from the conveyor belt ready to be Number 1 and he's proven to us all that he's a perfect replacement for Heaton.
We've got a decent number 2 in Hart, if he stays, and this lad from Leeds is going to replace Hart one way or another....

Stop talking sense. There's no room for that on here!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:54 pm

TVC15 wrote:Which 30 year old British central midfielders who have had a spell in the Championship have we signed whilst we have been a Premier League club ?

I'm still awaiting a response to this!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:They're expecting Nick to be fit by the time the season starts..

Mmmmmm......

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:07 pm

It isn't simply a case of Villa securing the services of our best keeper.

Villa have spent a lot of money assembling a squad. The biggest problem with doing that is a lack of cohesion and unity.

We just sold them an immensely strong personality, with a wealth of experience, and one the key cornerstones of the character based approach that has allowed us to punch above our weight.

To put it simply we just sold a direct rival the most important piece of their jigsaw puzzle. We have provided them with an impressive leader who can command respect and tie all of that spending together into an effective force or steady the ship if it looks like it is falling apart.

Above and beyond the playing ability of Tom, Villa have just bought the blueprint for our culture and the perfect person to establish it for them.

When you deduct the £3.5m ( less sell on clause ) we are spending on BPF we have managed to add £5m ( plus additions, which may be linked to them staying up ) to our dry powder store in return.

Fantastic piece of business, for Villa. Their chance of staying up this season and building for the future just took a huge step forward. Nothing is ever guaranteed in the Premier League, but poaching Tom has swung the odds in their favour.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:09 pm

it's a good job Dyche, Mercer and Woan seem to know what they are doing

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:12 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:It isn't simply a case of Villa securing the services of our best keeper.

Villa have spent a lot of money assembling a squad. The biggest problem with doing that is a lack of cohesion and unity.

We just sold them an immensely strong personality, with a wealth of experience, and one the key cornerstones of the character based approach that has allowed us to punch above our weight.

To put it simply we just sold a direct rival the most important piece of their jigsaw puzzle. We have provided them with an impressive leader who can command respect and tie all of that spending together into an effective force or steady the ship if it looks like it is falling apart.

Above and beyond the playing ability of Tom, Villa have just bought the blueprint for our culture and the perfect person to establish it for them.

When you deduct the £3.5m ( less sell on clause ) we are spending on BPF we have managed to add £5m ( plus additions, which may be linked to them staying up ) to our dry powder store in return.

Fantastic piece of business, for Villa. Their chance of staying up this season and building for the future just took a huge step forward. Nothing is ever guaranteed in the Premier League, but poaching Tom has swung the odds in their favour.

The problem with that argument is Tom no longer has Tarkowski & Mee throwing their bodies on the line for him...Villa will go down with a whimper just like Fulham did.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:12 pm

Leisure wrote:I'm still awaiting a response to this!

It'll take some imagination...

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:14 pm

Steve1956 wrote:The problem with that argument is Tom no longer has Tarkowski & Mee throwing their bodies on the line for him...Villa will go down with a whimper just like Fulham did.

Can't be as bad as when they went down last time, that was embarrassing for them tbh

Wembley09 · Post by **Wembley09** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:16 pm

I can't see a manager like Dean Smith letting them go out like that, when he came into Villa first thing he said was that he felt they were weak and overrun in the middle.. and worked to change that. Heaton is a very assured keeper and a great signing for them.. or soon will be.
Yes they might still go down, but I don't think they will be a wide open big spending soft touch like Fulham were.

But to be honest, I'd be surprised if Villa finished below 13th next season.. but maybe that's just me.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Can't be as bad as when they went down last time, that was embarrassing for them tbh

It was,you can't buy a rag tag set of players and get them to perform ....Fulham tried it mate and failed miserably...expect the same from Villa

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:18 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It was,you can't buy a rag tag set of players and get them to perform ....Fulham tried it mate and failed miserably...expect the same from Villa

Honestly I don't expect Villa to collapse like Fulham, but on the flip side nor do I expect them to do a Wolves.

They'll muddle along like the rest of us, but if they do go down I'd hope they'd keep their manager and give him another shot.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Honestly I don't expect Villa to collapse like Fulham, but on the flip side nor do I expect them to do a Wolves.

They'll muddle along like the rest of us, but if they do go down I'd hope they'd keep their manager and give him another shot.

Time will tell.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:22 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:Fantastic piece of business, for Villa. Their chance of staying up this season and building for the future just took a huge step forward. Nothing is ever guaranteed in the Premier League, but poaching Tom has swung the odds in their favour.

No it hasn't. Their odds for relegation are exactly the same as they were last night, as are ours.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:24 pm

tiger76 wrote:Not totally no but Hart is a different style of goalkeeper to both Heaton and Pope,they will bo**ock their defenders and organise and command the penalty box.Pope in particular eased the pressure on our back line by claiming crosses,Hart's a decent shot-stopper,and he's ok one-on-one,but he's never going to dominate his area,and that puts doubt in defender's minds,and at this level any indecision or small errors will be punished.

None of that was mentioned in the Guardian's preview on Burnley for the coming season. Here's a small section of the article, contradicts the opinion of some UTC posters who don't like Joe Hart.

"Burnley’s first European adventure in half a century was short and sweet and over by the end of August. As they had lost two of their first three league fixtures by that stage no one was unduly concerned about a truncated Europa League campaign, though Dyche believes the effect of starting the season early and playing six more competitive matches than their Premier League rivals was an energy drain that began to resolve itself only around Christmas"

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:24 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:It'll take some imagination...

Not that I agree with the original post but Barton would fit the criteria. He's the only one though unless you count Steven Reid but I thought he was more defensive back-up than midfield for us.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:44 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Do you think Heaton deserves treating that way ? I am glad the manager and club has a bit more class and respect about themselves.

No I don't at all. I love Tom to bits but the club comes first. He can leave to anyone but not a relegation rival. It's not like we'd be denying him a huge move, a likely relegation scrap in the Midlands...?

All well and good being classy but well look foolish if we go down and they stay up at our expense as I'll be sure Heaton will have a say in that one way or another.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:50 pm

Been out all day - can someone confirm:
A) Has Tom definitely gone and what was the price?
B) Have we definitely signed the lad from Leeds?

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Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:52 pm

Guller Bull wrote:Been out all day - can someone confirm:
A) Has Tom definitely gone and what was the price?
B) Have we definitely signed the lad from Leeds?

No and no.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:55 pm

NL Claret wrote:None of that was mentioned in the Guardian's preview on Burnley for the coming season. Here's a small section of the article, contradicts the opinion of some UTC posters who don't like Joe Hart.

"Burnley’s first European adventure in half a century was short and sweet and over by the end of August. As they had lost two of their first three league fixtures by that stage no one was unduly concerned about a truncated Europa League campaign, though Dyche believes the effect of starting the season early and playing six more competitive matches than their Premier League rivals was an energy drain that began to resolve itself only around Christmas"

If Pope's not fit by next week,Joe might well find himself starting against the Saints,if he performs well he has every chance of keeping the shirt,we all know Sean doesn't make radical changes,if the guys on the pitch are doing the business,plenty of incentive for Joe to prove the doubters wrong,the ball's in his court to stake a claim to be first choice.