Heats

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:59 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:No I don't at all. I love Tom to bits but the club comes first. He can leave to anyone but not a relegation rival. It's not like we'd be denying him a huge move, a likely relegation scrap in the Midlands...?

All well and good being classy but well look foolish if we go down and they stay up at our expense as I'll be sure Heaton will have a say in that one way or another.

Not a huge move? 3 year contract with probably a pay rise and a signing on fee. He's going to a club , in my opinion, bigger than Burnley who have more financial clout. Moving to Villa might increase his England chances too, will be more in the spotlight playing for a newly promoted big city club.

He's been top drawer on and off the field for Burnley for 6 years, why should the club deny him a move which at 33 is his last opportunity at playing for a bigger club with the financial benefits?

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:59 pm

No one can argue with what Heaton has done for the club in the 6 years he's been here, both as a player and a representative of the club. At 33, he is worthy of making a decision that suits him better than us, he owes us nothing.

Villa is an ideal choice for him, doesn't need to relocate his family etc, and will get a nice windfall as he approaches the latter stages of his career. The club I'm sure will be treating him as a person, as well as an asset, which is the best way. There will be an understating of Tom's situation by both the board and Dyche.

It'll be a happy ending, on a fantastic 6 years, no ill feeling on either side - the way it should always be (very similar to Sam Vokes too).

He'll always be a Claret, and a bloody good one at that.

HarryPottsDesk · Post by **HarryPottsDesk** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:06 pm

Stop making sense. Don't you know where you are?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:17 pm

boyyanno wrote:Not that I agree with the original post but Barton would fit the criteria. He's the only one though unless you count Steven Reid but I thought he was more defensive back-up than midfield for us.

Only Barton, really. And the Fa's gambling net was closing in on him then. Joey's 2nd spell was nothing like his first for us in our Championship year, as much cover as anything else?
Reid was cover too. Don't remember him playing much?

Think my comment was a bit of exasperation at the original post really.
Same posters constantly knocking anything the club does.
I rarely bite, must have caught me off guard.

I'm as disappointed as anyone Tom's leaving. But he obviously wants to go.

But sounds like we're getting a good prospect for Billy to work his magic on and, we still have 2 top notch international keepers!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:33 pm

I've just wasted an hour of my Life reading the tosh about Tom....Thankfully we still have Sean Dyche and in this instance Billy Mercer and all the Backroom staff....now without Them I would be worried....onwards and upwards nothing to worry about.UTC!!

leelad · Post by **leelad** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:34 pm

Once Pope signed that long term contract at the end of last season, I think that would have been the final straw for Tom. Especially after his strong 2nd half of the season where he was one of the factors behind Burnley surviving in the Prem. Goalkeepers want to be no. 1 and in the starting 11 week after week and Tom is no different in respect of this. Hope that Pope's injury is not too serious, for me the jury's out with Hart but I hope that a season under the tutelage of Billy Mercer will have helped. Gutted that we have sold him to a rival Prem team, but that's football. He's 33 so you can't deny him one last big move. He's top drawer for me, and I would like to think he will have fond memories of his time at Burnley. You will always be a Claret Tom. Thank you, but life goes on. Hopefully we can get a couple of new signings done before the season starts.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:41 pm

Playing for a media darling team like Villa will increase Toms chance of England caps.Despite stellar performances for us Tom was often overlooked and benched

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:46 pm

Well said IAM-fully endorse what you say about this person

Got us two promotions, played great in the PL stopping a number of teams tonking us, cost us nothing and went for £8m plus. Has been a great captain and ambassador of the club, and for me the best claret goal keeper since Alan Stevenson. Tom we wish you the very best and thank you for helping bring pride to our football club and town

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:46 pm

There seems to be quite a lot of posts along the lines of (to paraphrase) "can see why Tom wants a move but club have made a mistake selling to a relegation rival"

There must be footballing reasons behind this as far as Tom is concerned, moving to a club where he will effectively be undisputed 'number one' with a view to forcing his way back into the England reckoning ahead of the Euros - in which case, bearing in mind 12/14 PL clubs will be mindful of relegation, if he decided he wanted to leave then it was pretty much inevitable he'd sign for a so-called rival. The club can't pick and choose who's interested in signing our players. They seem to be pretty much in a no-win situation on this occasion.

Once Tom had decided not to sign a new deal there's no outcome that would have made everybody happy. Seems to me the club have handled this as well as they could under the circumstances. Blocking the move would have been the wrong thing to do on every level and completely contrary to the ethos SD has worked so hard to instill, with massively successful results, since he arrived.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:54 pm

FFS directors which keeper we either have on the books or could have on the books would ever show this passion ?. Passion and love are that percentage we saw after the Everton fiasco. He kept us up .
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Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:55 pm

Good post, Earby

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 pm

bfcjg wrote:FFS directors which keeper we either have on the books or could have on the books would ever show this passion ?. Passion and love are that percentage we saw after the Everton fiasco. He kept us up .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBbdA7zZZE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pope was always very passionate when we scored when he was playing

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:23 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:There seems to be quite a lot of posts along the lines of (to paraphrase) "can see why Tom wants a move but club have made a mistake selling to a relegation rival"

There must be footballing reasons behind this as far as Tom is concerned, moving to a club where he will effectively be undisputed 'number one' with a view to forcing his way back into the England reckoning ahead of the Euros - in which case, bearing in mind 12/14 PL clubs will be mindful of relegation, if he decided he wanted to leave then it was pretty much inevitable he'd sign for a so-called rival. The club can't pick and choose who's interested in signing our players. They seem to be pretty much in a no-win situation on this occasion.

Once Tom had decided not to sign a new deal there's no outcome that would have made everybody happy. Seems to me the club have handled this as well as they could under the circumstances. Blocking the move would have been the wrong thing to do on every level and completely contrary to the ethos SD has worked so hard to instill, with massively successful results, since he arrived.

This is spot on. People who say “little old Burnley” are often the ones who are also calling this bad business. It’s not only the fact that unrest with Heaton would be caused by denying this move, despite the fact we have a younger and, at least in my eyes, equally capable replacement available to us right now - it’s the precedent it sets with incoming players.

We will, for most younger players, be a stepping stone club. And that’s ok, if players want a move higher, they’ve got to earn it through performances, which we will benefit from. But if they earn a move to a higher salary, and it’s seen that we’d simply prevent them from doing so, then why would players sign in the first place?

£8m rising to £10m, goalkeeper or not, is a good deal for a 33 year old with one year left, when we have a replacement.

claretbob · Post by **claretbob** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:06 pm

We all love Tom and if he was happy to fight it out with Pope for the jersey i’m sure he would be staying. After his amazing service I agree it would be impossible to stand in his way. West Brom always struck me as a club who were petty minded enough to refuse a sale to a so called relegation rival. How did that strategy work out for them?
Let Tom leave with good feelings on all sides, give him a great reception if he returns with Villa but in the meantime back Dyche/Mercer when it comes to decisions like this. Does anyone really think that Garlick would decide on this against the wishes of Dyche? He might seem excessively prudent with the purse strings when it comes to buying players but so far his overall strategy for the club can’t be faulted. It made me laugh hearing this described as a Dobson moment. We’re going from 3 England keepers to 2 by selling the oldest. I’m trying to remember who replaced Dobbo for our next match/ was it Billy Ingram? Now that is a drop in class much as we all loved the Ginger Pele!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:07 pm

Goobs wrote:Pope was always very passionate when we scored when he was playing

Not the same IMHO.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:10 pm

We finished 7th in the Premier League with Pope in goal. I think we’ll be alright.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:16 pm

The concern is whether Pope is even fit. Only featured twice in pre season. You’d imagine he must play the full 90 on Saturday if he is to start the Southampton game.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:17 pm

Can’t be bothered reading all 10 pages but can anybody remind me of one mistake that Pope has made whilst in goal for Burnley?

You could probably point to Leicester away in 17/18 and possibly what lead to him getting injured against Aberdeen. So that’s 2 and the second of those was probably because we chose to play him after he had only 2 days training following the summer with England.

We should be fine with Nick.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:19 pm

Dyche must have told Tom he wasn't no1 choice,simple solution is to go somewhere he is going to be No1 it's not rocket science only one keeper can play..good luck Tom time to move on.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:38 pm

I can just about stomach the logic of letting Heaton go, but I’ll be mega p!ssed off if we sell Tarkowski to Leicester.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:40 am

At least when we’re conceeding goals for fun with Hart in the nets we can call on him should Pope be injured...oh wait....

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:31 am

scouseclaret wrote:I can just about stomach the logic of letting Heaton go, but I’ll be mega p!ssed off if we sell Tarkowski to Leicester.

I'll drive him if they have to pay the 50 million release clause, he's good but he's not a world beater by any stretch of the imagination

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:48 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:No I don't at all. I love Tom to bits but the club comes first. He can leave to anyone but not a relegation rival. It's not like we'd be denying him a huge move, a likely relegation scrap in the Midlands...?

All well and good being classy but well look foolish if we go down and they stay up at our expense as I'll be sure Heaton will have a say in that one way or another.

When did it become it is either us or Villa who goes down ? If we don't get enough points to stay up this season then we deserve to go down. Are you just choosing to ignore the season without Heaton in goal or are you sure Hart is going to be number 1 this season ?

Not about looking classy, it is called respect. Same with the way we handled the Vokes deal once he wanted to move

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:05 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:When did it become it is either us or Villa who goes down ? If we don't get enough points to stay up this season then we deserve to go down. Are you just choosing to ignore the season without Heaton in goal or are you sure Hart is going to be number 1 this season ?

Not about looking classy, it is called respect. Same with the way we handled the Vokes deal once he wanted to move

Absolutely.

Part of the reason we are so relatively successful is because of how Dyche handles all the players. This includes when they want to leave.

No chance we will go down with Dyche in charge. There are plenty other probabilities for bottom 3 that’s for sure.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:05 am

Has he gone yet?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:13 am

At least the Villa fans are happy with this transfer (I bet they are) I just hope we bring in a replacement for Defour amd make use of the money otherwise the only thng that will be looking pretty is our bank balance.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:20 am

I wish I had the same confidence in Pope as everyone else on here. He played two thirds of a season, but prior to that he was a championship keeper. There aren't many premier league keepers at his age who has played so few games. There must be a reason for that.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:30 am

Siddo wrote:I wish I had the same confidence in Pope as everyone else on here. He played two thirds of a season, but prior to that he was a championship keeper. There aren't many premier league keepers at his age who has played so few games. There must be a reason for that.

And exactly how many games had Tom Heaton played as a Premier league keeper before joining us, at a similar age to Pope?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:41 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Has he gone yet?

He is waiting for the 9am x43 from Burnley to Manchester then the train from Piccadilly to New Street.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:43 am

Spijed wrote:And exactly how many games had Tom Heaton played as a Premier league keeper before joining us, at a similar age to Pope?

Two thirds of a season. Think you will find it was over 90%.

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:04 am

Done! End of an era

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... Ps.twitter

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:05 am

MarkGreen wrote:Done! End of an era

Good. Let's move on and bring an end to this wailing and gnashing of teeth.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:06 am

Yep. Confirmed by Villa.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:07 am

scouseclaret wrote:I can just about stomach the logic of letting Heaton go, but I’ll be mega p!ssed off if we sell Tarkowski to Leicester.

If he’s got a release clause in his contract we won’t have any say in the matter.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:09 am

Confirmed. BFC tweeted it

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:11 am

Bye bye Tom, it’s been a pleasure. Thanks for everything you’ve done for us.
Toms top 10 saves.
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summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:13 am

Don't like it but I gave accepted it as per Sean's comments there let's hope McGuire stays at LC.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:16 am

Been a great player for us. Now let’s get Pope fit and a decent CM in and we can move forward.

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:21 am

That save from Austin was still the best save I've ever seen.

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:24 am

All the best to Tom. (Not at our expense though

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IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:26 am

Total best wishes and a huge thank you.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:28 pm

Flat Stanley wrote:Heaton is a model pro. No way he would spit his dummy out if we didn't sell him. He would carry on and do a top job. He is not the sort of person to cause trouble. He wants to leave. So what! keep him for a season and let him leave on a free. We don't need £8m and keeping him could be far more valuable if he helps keep us up. Selling him to a possible relegation rival for that money is madness. He is our first choice keeper.

So how long have you known him personally? How do you know he is 'not the kind of person' to cause trouble? As for 'we don't need 8 million' as opposed to losing him for nothing that seems a bit of odd logic. And why are Villa possible relegation rivals, a ball hasn't been kicked yet and you are already making assumptions about our season (and Villa's).

Prediction: we will not get relegated (or be in a relegation scrap) and neither will Villa. We have strengthened our outfield and still have two (yes 2) top goalkeepers. If Pope were to read this thread he would be seriously p!ssed off with a lot of fans.