Giftonsnoidea wrote:Absolute stupidity to sell after the start we had last year

Are we now in one of those post-truth worlds where the whole of the first half of last season is entirely Hart's fault now?

We finished 7th without him

martin_p wrote:Are we now in one of those post-truth worlds where the whole of the first half of last season is entirely Hart's fault now?

Like it or not the introduction of Heaton stopped what was a terminal situation, been done to death on here

ClaretAndJew wrote:We finished 7th without him

true, also bottom without him too

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Like it or not the introduction of Heaton stopped what was a terminal situation, been done to death on here

So you do think it was entirely Hart's fault. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. You're wrong though.

A poor window has just turned abysmal...

Rick_Muller wrote:true, also bottom without him too

Also relegated with him. It almost seems as there's no direct correlation between a single player and our league position.

martin_p wrote:Are we now in one of those post-truth worlds where the whole of the first half of last season is entirely Hart's fault now?

It wasn't entirely Hart's fault but I think he was a massive contributing factor.

Can someone explain to me what was the point in playing him last night.

Hart isn’t a bad keeper he’s just a bad communicator compared to Tom
To blame the entire first half of last season just on Hart is ridiculous.

Corky wrote:Can someone explain to me what was the point in playing him last night.

if we have accepted a bid it must have been after 7.45pm last night.

martin_p wrote:if we have accepted a bid it must have been after 7.45pm last night.

And seeing as we took him off at halftime, before 8:45pm

Did anybody notice SD sneak off from the touchline to take a call?

Looks like we'll have to get an entire new back 4 now, because they were useless without Heaton last season.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Looks like we'll have to get an entire new back 4 now, because they were useless without Heaton last season.

It will probably look like a completely different back 4 without Heaton behind them to manage them properly.

bfc-sparta wrote:Only games I didn't see was the Fulham away and the cup games. So I have seen plenty of evidence of how bad head and shoulders is.

Well the manager must rate him.

wilks_bfc wrote:Hart isn’t a bad keeper he’s just a bad communicator compared to Tom
To blame the entire first half of last season just on Hart is ridiculous.

And last night he was certainly the most vocal I've heard him. Presumeably he's benefiting from some time with Billy Mercer.

If Pope has a groin strain we may soon find out whether the first half of last season was Hart being a poor communicator or, as I suspect, that the defence were all over the place due to Dyche’s approach to Europe which ruined the highlight of many of their careers.

When Pope signed his deal I knew Heaton would be off. I said it a the time and some agreed while others thought I was talking rubbish.


Even if we offer Heaton what villa are offering it’s clear that Heaton will have to fight very hard to keep his place in the first team with Pope, and to a much lesser extent Hart, breathing down his neck.

Heaton wants games and you can’t have two of the best English keepers in the same squad and keep them both happy. One was always going to go and when Pope signed that deal it was obvious who was going to move on

For all your Hart fanbois... if he's so good, why has no one bid for him?

tarkys_ears wrote:For all your Hart fanbois... if he's so good, why has no one bid for him?

It's obviously because he's on a billion pounds a week and City aren't paying anything any more.

Gutted Tom’s gone but it’s the right move and time for him as he enters the “ last big contract” phase of his career . We have a cracking keeper in Nick Pope and anyone thinking Joe Hart is anything but high class really needs to give their heads a wobble

Inchy wrote:When Pope signed his deal I knew Heaton would be off. I said it a the time and some agreed while others thought I was talking rubbish.


Even if we offer Heaton what villa are offering it’s clear that Heaton will have to fight very hard to keep his place in the first team with Pope, and to a much lesser extent Hart, breathing down his neck.

Heaton wants games and you can’t have two of the best English keepers in the same squad and keep them both happy. One was always going to go and when Pope signed that deal it was obvious who was going to move on

Add to the rumour that Heaton had refused to sign another contract and this was an inevitable outcome. Worrying for me that Pope is injured again and looks like we will be starting the season with Hart. It has been done to death on here, but it was no coincidence that we were shipping goals and losing games on a regular basis whilst he was playing. Still it's more money in the bank and we will wait for the statements like "we are stronger than last season" and "happy with the group we have" to be trotted out to try and disguise the latest in a long line of shambolic transfer windows.

He's out of contract. Surely wants to play. Apparently on here he is a world class keeper and better than Heaton.

Surely if ol Tommy is worth 50k a week, Hart must be worth 200 by comparison?

Why's no one bidding then? They could probably have him on a free.

I love Heaton.

I can't think of a keeper who makes so few mistakes.

In an ideal world we wouldn't sell him to a relegation rival.

But

We can only play one keeper at a time. Both Heaton and Pope are too good to be sat on the bench.

Pope had a superb season before injury, if he can produce this kind of form this season we will do well with Hart as very capable cover.

Good luck Tom I will miss you and wish you well.

Come on Clarets we are better than all this doom and gloom.

Disappointing for me is that this seems not to be a footballing decision but which sale gives most financial benefit (also considering TH out of contract next year)

Hart isnt out of contract

randomclaret2 wrote:Hart isnt out of contract

Apologies, I mean he's nearly out of contract. 1 year left - same as Heaton.

tarkys_ears wrote:He's out of contract. Surely wants to play. Apparently on here he is a world class keeper and better than Heaton.

Surely if ol Tommy is worth 50k a week, Hart must be worth 200 by comparison?

Why's no one bidding then? They could probably have him on a free.

He’s not out of contract
Nobody is bidding for Hart because nobody wants him.
Remember when City let him go he went on loan to Torino - not one of Serie A’s big clubs. After a pretty dreadful spell at Torino he went to West Ham - again not many clubs queueing up. He lost his place at West Ham after a few mistakes to Adriano - a keeper they were not happy with anyway....hence signing Fabianski.
He’s done ok for us - and he’s clearly been a very very good keeper in his City days.
For a number of reasons he’s lost his confidence and there are now a lot better keepers everywhere in the league - infact up until today we had 2 keepers better than him.

He was rumoured with Porto a couple of weeks ago - that would be a great signing for him. Usually win the league , champions league football and a bit of sun (as long as he puts factor 50 on that bald patch)

Not sure if there's been any comments from SD yet
That would be interesting to hear

He’s going on TalkSPORT later according to Jim White

RogerBest wrote:
Come on Clarets we are better than all this doom and gloom.

You're new on here, aren't you?

Did Dyche say last night they were monitoring the Pope injury and it could be a month or so? I hope not.

Whilst on the surface I think that selling Heaton is utter madness and we really should be advertising loud and clear that Hart is up for sale or even free to a good home, I suspect the club and Tom are both being totally practical. Only one keeper can play and Tom could well be consigning himself to a whole season on the bench when he's already 33(?) and with the club having just signed Pope to a new long term deal they have clearly shown where they feel the future lies. It's sad and it's a great shame, but I feel it may just be realistic tbh.

Can't wait for the good news in a few months time now we have received another £9m and spent relatively little.........' RECORD PROFITS AGAIN'

Sell Tarks and replace him with Cahill and the profit could be at a mind boggling level, just hope its Dunk Leicester go for or as this could be a disastrous start to what was looking like a promising pre-season

Inchy wrote:When Pope signed his deal I knew Heaton would be off. I said it a the time and some agreed while others thought I was talking rubbish.


Even if we offer Heaton what villa are offering it’s clear that Heaton will have to fight very hard to keep his place in the first team with Pope, and to a much lesser extent Hart, breathing down his neck.

Heaton wants games and you can’t have two of the best English keepers in the same squad and keep them both happy. One was always going to go and when Pope signed that deal it was obvious who was going to move on

When Pope signed his deal this was always going to happen. Pope was my No1.

Heaton... a huge "thank you". A remarkable player for us and have a stinker this season.

If you believe that Tom Heaton is currently the best goalkeeper at the club then this is not a footballing decision which to me is disappointing given our current financial position. If you don’t believe the premise then fair enough.

Tall Paul wrote:Another reason why the signing of Hart was baffling.

More baffling would have been starting last season with only one fit 3rd choice keeper (Lindegaard)

The whole team and Dyche were well under par the first half of last season, to make Hart the sole scapegoat is ridiculous. At Wolves for example he saved us from getting done by 4 or 5.

I actually believe that Pope is the best of the keepers, BUT there suddenly appears to be doubt over his fitness and that casts a shadow over all this which to me means I'd be keeping hold of Heaton. If anything I'd be shipping Hart out, but I tend to think we've probably been trying all summer and nobody's biting.

jrgbfc wrote:The whole team and Dyche were well under par the first half of last season, to make Hart the sole scapegoat is ridiculous. At Wolves for example he saved us from getting done by 4 or 5.

To be fair though, this has been discussed umpteen times, and the consensus with quite a few posters was that due to his poor organising of the defence, that caused him to face more shots. I'd like to see the stats though on shots faced with Heaton vs Hart.

That might well be true DC but it doesn’t mean we sell Tom

TVC15 wrote:He’s going on TalkSPORT later according to Jim White

Who is? Tom?

The player that keeps us in the league gets sold great news

What the hell are we playing at

wilks_bfc wrote:Who is? Tom?

I was listening to Talksport about 10am and they were debating the Heaton transfer with Dean Saunders who said he almost signed him when he went to Bristol City. They said they hope to have Dyche on later..

I like Heaton a lot. If he wants to go for a longer contract and cash we have no choice but to get the best price for him. The concern is how the defence played in front of Hart and particularly if Pope is not fit.

AlargeClaret wrote:Gutted Tom’s gone but it’s the right move and time for him as he enters the “ last big contract” phase of his career . We have a cracking keeper in Nick Pope and anyone thinking Joe Hart is anything but high class really needs to give their heads a wobble

Can I stop wobbling my head now?

Boden says he's as good as had the move confirmed

CombatClaret wrote:More baffling would have been starting last season with only one fit 3rd choice keeper (Lindegaard)

Maybe, but I'm sure they weren't the only two options. We could have got someone in on loan, for example.

Strange to play him so much in pre season as he was always likely to be off. I know Pope is carrying a knock, but presumably better to play Hart in that case.