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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:42 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Sorry, but there was some bloody awful captaincy out there today.
The day started so well too.
In all the years I've watched the Ashes, I've learned one thing.
If you have the Aussies down, keep 'em there.


If you have the Aussies down, push ‘em further down.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Buxtonclaret » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:43 pm

Your not wrong, FC.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby nil_desperandum » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:44 pm

Big innings from Smith today, and a big decision for him tomorrow, though I doubt with a weakened England attack he'll enforce the follow-on. ;)
Of course we might just bat with the same application Smith showed, but somehow I doubt it.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:44 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:In all the years I've watched the Ashes, I've learned one thing.
If you have the Aussies down, keep 'em there.


100% Buxton - never give this lot an inch

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:45 pm

I fancy Roy to smash a quick 30 here ;)

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:47 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Big innings from Smith today, and a big decision for him tomorrow, though I doubt with a weakened England attack he'll enforce the follow-on. ;)
Of course we might just bat with the same application Smith showed, but somehow I doubt it.


Smith won’t (or shouldn’t) be making any decisions about the follow-on.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:47 pm

Horrible to go in for just a couple of overs. You can’t win.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby nil_desperandum » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:48 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I fancy Roy to smash a quick 30 here ;)

In the circumstances I'd have sent out a night watchman for Roy here. It didn't turn out too badly against Ireland.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Horrible to go in for just a couple of overs. You can’t win.


No, but if you don’t get out you’re still drawing.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:No, but if you don’t get out you’re still drawing.


But lose one wicket and it’s advantage Australia

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:52 pm

Without doubt. To be honest, I think they already have the advantage.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:54 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:To be honest, I think they already have the advantage.


They have, but let’s not give them a bigger one.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:54 pm

So their last 2 wickets put on 162,that's inexcusable,Joe's interview should be interesting.

Stuart Broad getting yet another 5 for,and his 100th Test wicket against the Aussies,If Jimmy's out for a while he'll become even more important.

Should've played Sam Curran,as an extra seamer,Jimmy was always going to be a fitness risk. :?
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:55 pm

That’ll do

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:58 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:In the circumstances I'd have sent out a night watchman for Roy here. It didn't turn out too badly against Ireland.


Yeah! but we don't have Jack Leech to call on sadly. :)

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:05 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Without doubt. To be honest, I think they already have the advantage.


Psychology's a funny thing if you'd have said at the close.

Australia 284 all out

England 10/0

You'd say honours even,but the Aussies will sleep much happier,why didn't England go for the jugular :x

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby FCBurnley » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:44 pm

I guess being a cheat and bringing the game and his country in disrepute pays huge dividends after all. What short memories some people have.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby jrgbfc » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:19 pm

Whatever you think of the sandpaper incident you have to admire and respect Smith for that knock today. Best batsman in the world for me.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:25 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Whatever you think of the sandpaper incident you have to admire and respect Smith for that knock today. Best batsman in the world for me.


Him or Kohli i'd say,they are 2 who can bat all day if needed for their team,and score runs in different conditions.

England have to take inspiration from his innings,he's shown that with the patience and due diligence,it's possible to score heavily at Edgbaston.

Now someone from England's top 4 has to match him.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:32 pm

Sadly our best batter seems to prefer to get a jaunty 70-odd then throw it away.

He needs to step up.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby FCBurnley » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:49 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Whatever you think of the sandpaper incident you have to admire and respect Smith for that knock today. Best batsman in the world for me.

I respect his batting ability but as a sportsman he is seriously flawed

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:32 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Sadly our best batter seems to prefer to get a jaunty 70-odd then throw it away.

He needs to step up.


He does but he needs support,he can't do it all on his own,yes Smith played brilliantly,but he had able support from Travis Head,Peter Siddle and Nathan Lyon.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:49 pm

Quite a bit of doom and gloom on here.

People are allowed to play well against us. We just have to be able to pick ourselves up and go again.

The pitch looks good with a little bit in it for bowlers. Battle through, get your eye in and batting looks easy. Just how Test cricket should be.

If you give me the scores this morning with no Jimmy Anderson I would of bit your hand off.

Team selection was a ltitle strange but we have to go with that now.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:36 am

I have Sky here at home, but have to go out during the day today as we're having some work done. Where in town will DEFINITELY have the cricket on? (And real ale ;) )

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Spijed » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:51 am

Broad is supposed to be a top class bowler yet the number of balls the tail enders were allowed to leave wasn't good.

Isn't the line meant to be the top of off stump, yet there were many balls by Broad & Woakes that were easily to leave?

Anderson is a big miss!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby BigChaCha » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:55 am

Broad is supposed to be a top class bowler yet the number of balls the tail enders were allowed to leave wasn't good.

Isn't the line meant to be the top of off stump, yet there were many balls by Broad & Woakes that were easily to leave?


Because they were absolutely knackered you nob jockey, with a massive workload due to Anderson being out!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:03 am

I also think the ball got older, the pitch settled down and batting got so much easier. Plus the Aussie XI clearly bat decently right to the bottom.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:48 am

Dark Cloud wrote:I also think the ball got older, the pitch settled down and batting got so much easier. Plus the Aussie XI clearly bat decently right to the bottom.


That’s certainly true but I think the tactics really released the pressure off the Aussies.
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Steve1956 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:51 am

BigChaCha wrote:Because they were absolutely knackered you nob jockey, with a massive workload due to Anderson being out!

:lol:

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby wilks_bfc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:57 am

So if Jimmy is now out injured for this test, what happens for the “10th wicket”

12th man is only there to field and run in event of injury - they can’t bowl or bat

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:59 am

wilks_bfc wrote:So if Jimmy is now out injured for this test, what happens for the “10th wicket”

12th man is only there to field and run in event of injury - they can’t bowl or bat

I think you've pretty much answered your own question. It's basically "man down"!!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby wilks_bfc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:12 am

Dark Cloud wrote:I think you've pretty much answered your own question. It's basically "man down"!!


I get that bit but I mean logistically

Say we are at 280 when the 9th wicket goes, what happens?

Do we declare?
Could Jimmy come out to bat with the 12th to run?

Would it be the same in 2nd innings or can he then be replaced?

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:21 am

As I understand it the "runner" is no longer an option (as it used to be) so effectively Jimmy would have to bat (and hobble and potentially make his injury worse) or simply we'd declare and he wouldn't come out. (Meaning his probable runs would be a massive loss for us!!! ;) )
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Steve1956 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:25 am

Sadly I think this will be Jimmy's swan song series, but what a career from the boy from Burnley.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:37 am

Dark Cloud wrote:As I understand it the "runner" is no longer an option (as it used to be) so effectively Jimmy would have to bat (and hobble and potentially make his injury worse) or simply we'd declare and he wouldn't come out. (Meaning his probable runs would be a massive loss for us!!! ;) )


I think a lot would depend on who was still in. If a main batter was still in then I think he’d bat and try to hold an end up. If it was Broad or possibly Woakes or Ali then there’s probably not much point.
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby WestMidsClaret » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:39 am

Jimmy warming up/doing some running.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:27 am

Roy gone. 22-1.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:56 am

Steady start otherwise though,Siddle coming on now,he'll be hard to play in swinging conditions,Roy got a good ball i'm not sure there's much more he could have done about it.

Lyon also on now,big hour until lunch for England,if this pair can still be there then it sets up England well for the afternoon session.

Is anyone else watching between their fingers :)

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby gandhisflipflop » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:59 am

I can't wait to finish work and sit down with a beer for the late afternoon/evening session. Hopefully we will be in good shape by that time and won't see a batting collapse. Steady start so for though.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Spijed » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:22 pm

England got away with a LBW!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:23 pm

England rotating the strike well getting through the toughest period. The Aussies only have a 4 man attack by choice so it will get easier.

They have far the better spinner in Lyon though.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Local cricketer » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:24 pm

Makes a change not been 30-3

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby ian » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:35 pm

Local cricketer wrote:Makes a change not been 30-3

Cue the collapse!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Herts Clarets » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:41 pm

ian wrote:Cue the collapse!


You know it is coming, just where. It is usually a choice between being 4 down before we reach 50 runs or following a solid start, go from 120-2 to 158-7. Time will tell.....

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Gp8419 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:58 pm

Not a cricket expert although I love watching it! But now I can see the difference between a one day batsman and a test batsman.roy should be nowhere near the test squad imo block and pluck a odd run is not is thing, he looked like he could go practically every ball.On the other hand can see a 100 partnership of these two going well!

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:54 pm

Roy could be a Test match batsman if he backs himself to play in a positive manner. His defensive game doesn't look the best but by playing positive he would kept the bowlers on the back foot.

He would of flicked the ball he got out to through midwicket easy with no pressure on.

He would of been a good one to have in when Lyon came on. He went straight after him in the one day game so the team played him positively. You can't just let him keep bowling at you.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby tiger76 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:54 pm

Excellent 1st session by England,proper test match batting,pitch looks good if we apply ourselves as this pair have we can build a useful 1st innings lead.

I'm not fussed about the slow rate of scoring,i'll happily take 5/6 sessions of 60/1,that's how you win 5 day test matches.

They've both had good fortune,but you need to capitalise on that fortune.

Aussies now only just over 200 ahead,just keep chipping away lads.

Edit 50 for Rory Burns now can he go on?,he's played really thus far.

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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:04 pm

Thank goodness we have DRS in this game.

The umpires have barely got one right. Tough job and shows how good they normally are.
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Longsider » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:07 pm

Follow on avoided.
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Re: England v Australia 1st Ashes Test

Postby Local cricketer » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Gone quiet on here now we are back on top


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