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Re: Tarkowski

Post by TVC15 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:57 am

Burnley1989 wrote:You’re more worried about losing our 4th choice centre half than Tarkowski?
I like Kevin Long and pleased the club have done right by him by sticking with him and rewarding him with new contracts.
Like you have pointed out to be more worried about losing Kevin Long than Tarks is beyond ridiculous (but not that surprising given who posted it)
Forest are a decent size club - Long should be looking for first team football at a decent level and this would give him that. I’d value Long at at least £6m in this market. We then look for a young centre back we can develop. From what I have seen of Erik Pieters he looks to have a number of attributes of a centre back - decent pace, good on the ball and in the air, big and very strong and showed some really good positional sense in the way he eases players off the ball - he may be an option as cover.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:53 am

Burnley1989 wrote:You’re more worried about losing our 4th choice centre half than Tarkowski?
Yes, not in terms of playing ability, simply because I think we are more likely to sell Long if someone waves a bit of cash in front of us at this late stage in the window.

With four days left can we bring in a player comparable to Long for the money that we might get for him?

It isn't entirely out of the question, but I would say no. However, if we did they would have to get up to speed very quickly, learn our framework, be better than Long and be happy to play second fiddle to Tarks.

If we brought in a youngster to develop, we would be down to three central defenders. We could try Dunne, but Long is a better player and Dunne hasn't been tested at Championship level never mind the Premier League. It would be a big risk.

I would rather we keep hold of Long and try Dunne to see if he is ready to make a big step up, that would protect us against any risk. Alternatively, keep Long, bring in a young development player ( pushing Dunne back in the pecking order which might annoy him ) and give the new entrant a year or six months at least to settle in.

Pieters has played one match as a centre back in his whole career. So the idea of retraining him to a new position with no time left to do so is even more risky.

Oh, what about Gary Cahill?

Not really, he would have to get up to speed quickly, expect sizeable wages, raise the overall age of the squad and if he asked for a contract longer than 1 year it would preclude us from filling the spot with another player in a future window. Unless we want to pay him to sit around. If we decide to do that and he goes elsewhere we would be left with the Dunne option. Although nobody seems over eager to snap him up.

To clarify I didn't say that I would rather keep Long than Tarks if we had to make a choice between the two, just that I was more worried about Long leaving.

I don't think we can afford to let either of them leave this late in the window. We have enough on our plate trying to get a quality midfielder, that won't cost us a ludicrous amount, without making life more difficult by adding a first team defender to our shopping list.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:06 am

jedi_master wrote:Call me a cynic, but the timing of this after Maguire just left, in a very Jason Shackell style manner, is more than a tad suspicious.

The club said nothing about an injury, and it has for every other pre season game. I hope I’m wrong, obviously.
It was reported in the Lancashire Blackburnegraph match day live that Tarka was missing due to a little injury..

2:04pm
Tarkowski and Long miss out through little injuries.

Plus he was spotted in the players seats in the Cricketfield Stand (Allegedly) .... and his monster G-Wagen was parked in the JH car park

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:48 pm

I can confirm that Tarko watched the game from the Cricket Field Stand.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:51 pm

I dont think Tarks is going anywhere but him watching the game makes little difference. The point about him not playing is not so he can be in Leicester having a medical but just so that he doesn't pick up a needless injury that collapses the deal

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:03 pm

Leicester have sold their most valuable asset for £80m.

If we hold out for £50m I would be hopeful they will bail out. Only £30m change may not be enough when there are suitable candidates at half the price

I have hope he will start on Saturday

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:05 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I dont think Tarks is going anywhere but him watching the game makes little difference. The point about him not playing is not so he can be in Leicester having a medical but just so that he doesn't pick up a needless injury that collapses the deal
If he does go we must be very confident of getting in someone, such as Cahill
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:10 pm

Watching Sky Sports News just now, they are reporting Leicester are in talks with BFC regarding Tarka, in the PL news bar at the bottom of the screen

Mind you it says they are also talking with Bournemouth about (Achey) Ake :lol:
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:16 pm

Imagine the scenario that Tarkowski, Long & Hendrick leave without any time to get suitable replacements in! ;)

There will be a very big mushroom cloud above! :)

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:16 pm

Spijed wrote:If he does go we must be very confident of getting in someone, such as Cahill
Yep I think thats what Cahill was lined up for but dont think its gonna happen thankfully.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:19 pm

Cya Tark thanks for everything, welcome Richard Dunne.

“Recording breaking profits” (but our manager wasn’t backed with funds)

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by rob63 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:52 pm

KRBFC wrote:Cya Tark thanks for everything, welcome Richard Dunne.

“Recording breaking profits” (but our manager wasn’t backed with funds)
Richard Dunne?? Surely we're not THAT desperate, he must be 50 by now!
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by dsr » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:Cya Tark thanks for everything, welcome Richard Dunne.

“Recording breaking profits” (but our manager wasn’t backed with funds)
It makes sense (well, in your world) to hate the Board of Directors for Burnley being still not in the top 6 of the Premier League, for only qualifying once for Europe, for winning promotion from the Championship three times but only once as Champions, for pouring all that money into the youth system that could have been spent elsewhere, for signing cheap players like Vokes, Ings, Mee, Heaton, Marney, Tarkowski, Gray, Barnes, Keane, Pope, and above all for appointing and retaining Sean Dyche as manager. Slate them all you think they deserve for that, because that's what they have done.

But don't go making up stories and slating the Board for them. That's just silly. Even you, surely, can see with a tiny part of you that you aren't being fair. No-one here blames you for burning down the Albert Hall, so don't you blame the Board for things they haven't done.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by levraiclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:14 am

"Ake and Tarkowski are City targets" headline from this morning's Leicester Mercury

"Rodgers is wary the world record fee for Maguire could see other clubs inflate their prices, and City are determined not to overspend"

Sauce for the goose, say I.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:30 am

I suspect Bournemouth will be able to resist a £40m offer more easily than us...
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:37 am

I will be very unhappy with a giveaway price for Tarks its a £50m release clause or we walk away

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:39 am

We took £8m for Heaton...we wont refuse £40m...

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:45 am

Tarks signed a long contract last year.We were forced to sell Tom due his refusal to sign a new deal

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Down_Rover » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:45 am

Well we know from other threads that Tarks was nowhere near Leicester over the weekend.

I am hanging my hopes on Leicester not wanting to pay £40m. There are far more adept than most at seeking players from abroad.

cante, mayrez, Schlupp, Ndidi to name a few
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:47 am

IF Leicester bid £40m there is no way we’d turn it down.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 am

It’ll need to be more than 40 million.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Blyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 am

If what we read in papers is true and its down to 2 .... Tarkowski and Ake
Unless Ake wants to leave mu bet is on Tarkowski.
And i have every confidence in our board to do the best deal for Burnley Football Club.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Murger » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:50 am

Down_Rover wrote:Well we know from other threads that Tarks was nowhere near Leicester over the weekend.

I am hanging my hoes on Leicester not wanting to pay £40m


That's no way to treat your employees.
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Blyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:50 am

I would say 40 up front ....with add on reaching 50

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Blyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:52 am

With Brenford getting 10
Thats a nice 27 million profit

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Firthy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:57 am

I think the rumour about Tarks and Ake is bs and Dunk is the most likely target for Leicester. BHA have already signed his replacement.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by John Johnson 1605 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:58 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:IF Leicester bid £40m there is no way we’d turn it down.
Agreed Bordeaux, but that for me is still a poor deal for the club, in my opinion.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Spijed » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:02 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:IF Leicester bid £40m there is no way we’d turn it down.
We would if it leaves us with no cover.

If we accept any offer it means we are certainly getting a player in, such as Cahill.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by KRBFC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:11 am

dsr wrote:It makes sense (well, in your world) to hate the Board of Directors for Burnley being still not in the top 6 of the Premier League, for only qualifying once for Europe, for winning promotion from the Championship three times but only once as Champions, for pouring all that money into the youth system that could have been spent elsewhere, for signing cheap players like Vokes, Ings, Mee, Heaton, Marney, Tarkowski, Gray, Barnes, Keane, Pope, and above all for appointing and retaining Sean Dyche as manager. Slate them all you think they deserve for that, because that's what they have done.

But don't go making up stories and slating the Board for them. That's just silly. Even you, surely, can see with a tiny part of you that you aren't being fair. No-one here blames you for burning down the Albert Hall, so don't you blame the Board for things they haven't done.
I don’t hate the board, I want them to give Dyche the financial backing he deserves, after all Dyche is the reason we’re receiving enormous income. With the reported initial fee for Rodriguez said to be £5M and around £1.5M on Pieters, that’s the Vokes money gone, so where is the transfer budget? We didn’t spend anything in January window. So where is the money going?

Why are we not improving the first 11?
Buying players doesn’t guarantee success but it sure does help and signals intent to improve so even if we don’t improve you can at least stomach relegation knowing we were progressive and gave it our best shot and not just milked the PL cash cow and relied on the sheer brilliance of Dyche. Last season should have been a wake up call to the board, if we sign nobody else before the deadline and end up relegated we will have gone down with regrets of standing still and going backwards for far too long.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:15 am

We sell Tarky for £40 million.

We stay up, we gain around 3 times that.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Erasmus » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:17 am

Perhaps the players Sean Dyche feels would improve our squad are not available. I would say that for many players the big teams at the top end of the Championship are a more attractive option than Burnley who are always favourites for relegation. It is not a matter of the Board not backing the manager, it is more to do with persuading good players to come to Burnley, and as far as I can see that is very, very difficult.
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:17 am

Whatever we sell Tarky for 25% of any profit made on the deal is due to Brentford.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Firthy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:46 am

kentonclaret wrote:Whatever we sell Tarky for 25% of any profit made on the deal is due to Brentford.
I bet Brentford are rubbing their hands at the thought and on the phone to Leicester telling them what a good player he is :shock: :lol:
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:47 am

kentonclaret wrote:Whatever we sell Tarky for 25% of any profit made on the deal is due to Brentford.
Fair play to them, they deserve the profit on players like Tarky and Gray.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:51 am

I met a Brentford fan on Saturday and first thing he asked me was "What's the situation with Tarkowski"?

Wonder why? :lol:

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by KRBFC » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:01 am

Erasmus wrote:Perhaps the players Sean Dyche feels would improve our squad are not available. I would say that for many players the big teams at the top end of the Championship are a more attractive option than Burnley who are always favourites for relegation. It is not a matter of the Board not backing the manager, it is more to do with persuading good players to come to Burnley, and as far as I can see that is very, very difficult.
As Dyche said “every player has a price, even Neymar and Ronaldo”. Championship clubs are a more attractive option than Burnley? Don’t make me laugh, there’s very little money in the Championship for the clubs to even afford the same transfer fee we can pay.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by houseboy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:21 am

Am I missing something here? It seems like at least half the people on this board have already sold Tarks even though the club haven't and Dyche said at weekend he didn't play because of injury and that he is hoping that Tarks will be in the starting eleven on Saturday. He also stated categorically that there had been no approach from anyone about him. All I could find in the news items at weekend was paper talk with no statement whatsoever from either club that Tarks is going anywhere.

It feels as though the masochists on here WANT him to be sold then we can have some more wailing and gnashing of teeth as in the Heaton departure.

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by ewanrob » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:32 am

Rob Dorsett saying Ake to much.. Bournemouth want 70 million and not prepared to pay 40 + for Tarks...

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by ewanrob » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:33 am

ups...sorry already shown on transfer link thread

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Re: Tarkowski

Post by Firthy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:40 am

Love their supposed comments. Is Maguire really worth twice as much as Tarks? They really are up their own asses if the comments are true.
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Re: Tarkowski

Post by rob63 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:20 pm

Firthy wrote:Love their supposed comments. Is Maguire really worth twice as much as Tarks? They really are up their own asses if the comments are true.
It must be a Thai thing- up their own a*ses......... my mate told me he'd seen that sorta thing in Thailand! ;)

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