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Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:45 am

Money on Lewis,you wont get him at a better price all season,lump on heavily,free money to lose in the football season.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:22 pm

Go Lewis

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Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:24 pm

Anyone but Lewis and mercedes.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:25 pm

Bosscat wrote:Go Lewis
Lump on Charlotte,I think he'll win this! :lol:
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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:26 pm

I called Mad Max for podium yesterday, had a feeling the Red Bull would be strong on that track. (in qually)

In the race though, I'm really not sure. Ferrari had a great S1 but **** S3. Merc are always strong in the race.

Vettel seems to have regained a bit of his mojo after the last race so fancy him for a podium.

If reliability stays ill go for HAM, VER, VET
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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:27 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Lump on Charlotte,I think he'll win this! :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: OK Stephanie ;)

I call yet another Merc 1 ... 2


Oh yeah and stop using my Sunday name... oh yeah its Sunday innit :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:40 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:I called Mad Max for podium yesterday, had a feeling the Red Bull would be strong on that track. (in qually)

In the race though, I'm really not sure. Ferrari had a great S1 but **** S3. Merc are always strong in the race.

Vettel seems to have regained a bit of his mojo after the last race so fancy him for a podium.

If reliability stays ill go for HAM, VER, VET
Pole* I meant

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:45 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:Pole* I meant
We knew what you meant m8 :D

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:27 pm

Verstappen v Hamilton at the moment

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:35 pm

If Hamilton keeps it on the track he's going to win. Remember when F1 was boring?

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:43 pm

Get in Hamilton come on 3 laps to go....

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:46 pm

3rd and 4th race now.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:46 pm

Oh, never mind. That's decided too.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:49 pm

I should have put money on that.

Red bull ****** up there. Even if they'd have come out behind Hamilton they should have pitted... Anything can happen. The writing was on the wall going for 20+ laps on an old, slower tyre.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:52 pm

Easy money...go Lewis .

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:54 pm

Right_winger wrote:Anyone but Lewis and mercedes.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:55 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Easy money...go Lewis .

Nice.

I got 20 on Lewis when he was in traffic 15 sec behind Verstappen at 3.35 and 3.4. Cashed out at 1.01 because im a pussy.

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Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:57 pm

Steve1956 wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:
Fanboy

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nice.

I got 20 on Lewis when he was in traffic 15 sec behind Verstappen at 3.35 and 3.4. Cashed out at 1.01 because im a pussy.
:lol: I told you before the race Lump on heavily you chicken :lol:

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:58 pm

Right_winger wrote:Fanboy
The greatest F1 driver ever....you bitter bitter man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:59 pm

Steve1956 wrote::lol: I told you before the race Lump on heavily you chicken :lol:

Before the race he was about evens.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:59 pm

Steve1956 wrote:The greatest F1 driver ever....you bitter bitter man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not even the greatest British F1 driver ever.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Before the race he was about evens.
Not when I backed him he wasn't you won't get him at a better price ever again :D

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:03 pm

Right_winger wrote:Not even the greatest British F1 driver ever.
You really are a knob. :)
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:03 pm

Right_winger wrote:Not even the greatest British F1 driver ever.

How many world championships does your "greatest" British F1 driver have?
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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How many world championships does your "greatest" British F1 driver have?
:lol:

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Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How many world championships does your "greatest" British F1 driver have?
Sir Jackie Stewart has 3... got to look at the era they were racing.

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:24 pm

Right_winger wrote:Sir Jackie Stewart has 3... got to look at the era they were racing.
Of course. Eras matter, which is why i think Murray is among the top tennis players of all time because of his achievements in the era where the top three of all time are playing.

That said, even with the context I'm not sure why you think Stewart's 3 championships are better than Lewis's 5 (6 at the end of this season).

Edit: btw, i'd love to claim that a Scot is better than any of you English *****, but i can't because i can't see a way to justify it based on results. :)
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:24 pm

Right_winger wrote:Sir Jackie Stewart has 3... got to look at the era they were racing.
Are you a Leeds Fan :lol: :lol: :lol: they still think they are World Champions

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Re: Hungarian grand prix

Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Of course. Eras matter, which is why i think Murray is among the top tennis players of all time because of his achievements in the era where the top three of all time are playing.

That said, even with the context I'm not sure why you think Stewart's 3 championships are better than Lewis's 5 (6 at the end of this season).

Edit: btw, i'd love to claim that a Scot is better than any of you English *****, but i can't because i can't see a way to justify it based on results. :)
Stewart never had such a dominant car in his day. Yes Hamilton still has to pilot it and he is a good driver but to put him up there as one of the best? He’d need to do it at a marginal team for me or at least with a level playing field.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:56 pm

Right_winger wrote:Stewart never had such a dominant car in his day. Yes Hamilton still has to pilot it and he is a good driver but to put him up there as one of the best? He’d need to do it at a marginal team for me or at least with a level playing field.
I would agree that it's more of a team sport now than it was back then, but just driving the cars are so much harder now than back then too. Back then it won't have been much different to a road car today. Point it in a direction and drive it at varying speeds. You or I could drive it pretty easily first time. But now we'd be doing well just to make the thing drive 10 feet without stalling it, or manage to take a corner at 25% of its normal cornering speed without spinning it. Put a 1970s Jackie Stewart into a modern F1 car and he'd have no chance of driving it competitively because he wouldn't have been brought up on driving these increasingly complex machines, but if you put probably any current F1 driver into a 1970s Tyrell Ford and they'll have that thing busting lap records fairly easily given that they don't have to worry about how and when to press the 40 buttons on their steering wheel.

Stewart was great. Every world champions was great. But i don't think it's fair to say that because Stewart didn't have a dominant car (a debatablable assertion) he's the greater driver without taking into account how much easier it was to drive the cars back then.

Personally, i think a better argument for him being greater would be to point out that Stewart drove in those things for years and didn't die.
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:39 pm

:shock: Bloody hell I am in shock here :shock:

:lol: Something I find myself agreeing with IT :lol:

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Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:26 pm

Right_winger wrote:Stewart never had such a dominant car in his day. Yes Hamilton still has to pilot it and he is a good driver but to put him up there as one of the best? He’d need to do it at a marginal team for me or at least with a level playing field.
Valteri is in the same identical car as Hamilton,has Valteri won 79 Grand Prix.has Valteri had 87 poles,has Valteri won five world titles,you dismiss Hamilton as some bloke that got lucky,if Valteri had been in second today and had Hamilton's strategy he wouldn't have won the race I doubt he would even have caught Verstappen up......like I said on the last Grand Prix thread we had we build our guys up and when they reach the top we kick them in the goolies,Hamilton is in the top three Grand Prix drivers,Jackie Stewart is nowhere near the top ten.
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:37 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Valteri is in the same identical car as Hamilton,has Valteri won 79 Grand Prix.has Valteri had 87 poles,has Valteri won five world titles,you dismiss Hamilton as some bloke that got lucky,if Valteri had been in second today and had Hamilton's strategy he wouldn't have won the race I doubt he would even have caught Verstappen up......like I said on the last Grand Prix thread we had we build our guys up and when they reach the top we kick them in the goolies,Hamilton is in the top three Grand Prix drivers,Jackie Stewart is nowhere near the top ten.
I feel this thread is turning into another Moon Landings one ... there are some who will never be convinced Steve m8 :lol: :lol: :lol:

When I was 18 I went to watch Barry Sheene etc in the 500cc Trans-atlanic trophy on bikes with 130 horse power .... we all said to each other how the hell do they handle that power and wondered what it would be like to ride one.

In 2005 I bought a Honda Fireblade with 180 horsepower it was a monster speedwise but very easy to ride fast :lol: Sheene would have loved it.

Formula One cars of today and drivers cannot be compared with the late 60's early 70's just as they can't be compared with the 1950's Auto-Union's, Ferrari's and Maserati's.

Anyone who tries to compare them is a fool
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Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:02 pm

To make out Hamilton is some kinda mediocre racer who got lucky is plain stupid, he will go on to be the most successful driver in F1 history to dismiss him like he does because he dislikes him as a person is very blinkered
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Post by Right_winger » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:04 pm

There’s no denying that Lewis Hamilton is a great driver, however in true fanboi fashion there has been a statement made that he’s the best ever ( not true/proven )

Lewis Hamilton has always had the best of everything since entering F1.

How would Hamilton do at Ferrari this season? Is he better than Vettel or LeClerc?

Remember Mika Hakkinen? He was always sniffing around the points in the Marlboro McLaren days but never considered a contender. As soon as the team evolved to become McLaren Mercedes he was unstoppable and even the greatest driver of all time couldn’t stop him in a competitive Ferrari.

Whether you like it or not the Mercedes car is utterly dominant and has been for years. For Hamilton to be considered great he’d have to be competitive With a lesser constrictor.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:05 pm

Right_winger wrote:There’s no denying that Lewis Hamilton is a great driver, however in true fanboi fashion there has been a statement made that he’s the best ever ( not true/proven )

Lewis Hamilton has always had the best of everything since entering F1.

How would Hamilton do at Ferrari this season? Is he better than Vettel or LeClerc?

Remember Mika Hakkinen? He was always sniffing around the points in the Marlboro McLaren days but never considered a contender. As soon as the team evolved to become McLaren Mercedes he was unstoppable and even the greatest driver of all time couldn’t stop him in a competitive Ferrari.

Whether you like it or not the Mercedes car is utterly dominant and has been for years. For Hamilton to be considered great he’d have to be competitive With a lesser constrictor.
Ok :roll:

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Post by claret wizard » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:17 pm

Errr, 2008, McClaren, just saying....

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Post by Dyched » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:01 pm

Fernando Alonso is considered one of the finest drivers of recent times. Despite being a 2 time world champion struggled to cope with a rookie Hamilton. Hamilton very very rarely makes any kind of mistake. Last week was the first time in years. He’s immense.

Ferrari nowadays are where Mclaren where around the Red Bull dominant era as in just not quite there to compete. But Hamilton kept his car in the race far more consistently than what a 4 time world champion (Vettel) can now. How many mistakes has he made since the german gp in 2018?

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:14 pm

Right_winger wrote:There’s no denying that Lewis Hamilton is a great driver, however in true fanboi fashion there has been a statement made that he’s the best ever ( not true/proven )

Lewis Hamilton has always had the best of everything since entering F1.

How would Hamilton do at Ferrari this season? Is he better than Vettel or LeClerc?

Remember Mika Hakkinen? He was always sniffing around the points in the Marlboro McLaren days but never considered a contender. As soon as the team evolved to become McLaren Mercedes he was unstoppable and even the greatest driver of all time couldn’t stop him in a competitive Ferrari.

Whether you like it or not the Mercedes car is utterly dominant and has been for years. For Hamilton to be considered great he’d have to be competitive With a lesser constrictor.
It was the 4th season as McClaren-Mercedes before Hakkinen won the championship. And in two of the three previous seasons he was out performed by his team made, David Coulthard.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:20 pm

It'd be cool if for a few races in the season the cars had to compete with the same engines. They can all use their own chassis and what not, but standardise the engines. It might be tough to get done though since the FIA would have to get an engine manufacturer to allow their engine be shared with all the teams.

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Post by addisclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:40 am

Right_winger wrote:There’s no denying that Lewis Hamilton is a great driver, however in true fanboi fashion there has been a statement made that he’s the best ever ( not true/proven )

Lewis Hamilton has always had the best of everything since entering F1.

How would Hamilton do at Ferrari this season? Is he better than Vettel or LeClerc?

Remember Mika Hakkinen? He was always sniffing around the points in the Marlboro McLaren days but never considered a contender. As soon as the team evolved to become McLaren Mercedes he was unstoppable and even the greatest driver of all time couldn’t stop him in a competitive Ferrari.

Whether you like it or not the Mercedes car is utterly dominant and has been for years. For Hamilton to be considered great he’d have to be competitive With a lesser constrictor.
That would be boaring though.

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Post by claret wizard » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:05 am

So I don’t understand why Red Bull didn’t pull the same trick with 10 laps to go when it was obviously Lewis would do the catch. They could have brought MV in and put supersofts on. He’d have been 10 seconds behind with a car 1 second a lap faster for 10 laps. At least he’d have had a shot rather than be left able to do nothing.

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Post by RVclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:31 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It'd be cool if for a few races in the season the cars had to compete with the same engines. They can all use their own chassis and what not, but standardise the engines. It might be tough to get done though since the FIA would have to get an engine manufacturer to allow their engine be shared with all the teams.
Why not just watch Formula 3 instead?

Clearly F1 is and always has been focused both both the driver AND team.

Hence the best teams in the world often recruit the best drivers.

If you don't understand this concept there is a lot of other motor sport you can watch.

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Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:16 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It'd be cool if for a few races in the season the cars had to compete with the same engines. They can all use their own chassis and what not, but standardise the engines. It might be tough to get done though since the FIA would have to get an engine manufacturer to allow their engine be shared with all the teams.
Wouldn’t make to much difference imo. It’s the aero package, chassis etc what make the top teams so good compared to the others. Teams like William, Force India have had the more powerful engines before. But unable to match that with a solid all round package it doesn’t mean anything.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:33 am

RVclaret wrote:Why not just watch Formula 3 instead?

Clearly F1 is and always has been focused both both the driver AND team.

Hence the best teams in the world often recruit the best drivers.

If you don't understand this concept there is a lot of other motor sport you can watch.

Because I like F1

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:24 am

Right_winger wrote:.Whether you like it or not the Mercedes car is utterly dominant and has been for years. For Hamilton to be considered great he’d have to be competitive With a lesser constrictor.
Would that be a Boa Constrictor as opposed to an Anaconda or a Short tail Boa compared to a Long tailed Boa...... ;)

Hamilton used to boss Rosberg when they were kids in karts.... and he has been consistant as was Michael Schumacher in the Ferrari and Benetton....

The only way you can Trulli (F1 pun) compare drivers is put them all in the same car.... I reckon it would still come down to pit lane teams making decisions rightly or wrongly. But you would find Hamilton consistantly coming out on top more often than not.... He is without doubt the top of the current crop.

He isn't as smooth a driver as Button was but he has far more racing nous than the rest at the moment. Look what happens to Vettell when Louis puts him under pressure... he is a bottler.

Thus proving he is the Best in the World (at the moment) Verstappen and Leclerc are the new boys on the block, and when Hamilton retires in a couple of years or so they will have their chance to take over.

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Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:40 am

Bosscat wrote:
Would that be a Boa Constrictor as opposed to an Anaconda or a Short tail Boa compared to a Long tailed Boa...... ;)

Hamilton used to boss Rosberg when they were kids in karts.... and he has been consistant as was Michael Schumacher in the Ferrari and Benetton....

The only way you can Trulli (F1 pun) compare drivers is put them all in the same car.... I reckon it would still come down to pit lane teams making decisions rightly or wrongly. But you would find Hamilton consistantly coming out on top more often than not.... He is without doubt the top of the current crop.

He isn't as smooth a driver as Button was but he has far more racing nous than the rest at the moment. Look what happens to Vettell when Louis puts him under pressure... he is a bottler.

Thus proving he is the Best in the World (at the moment) Verstappen and Leclerc are the new boys on the block, and when Hamilton retires in a couple of years or so they will have their chance to take over.
Leclerc has been disappointing so far imo. I expected him to have been much better. Far too many mistakes so far this season. He was outstanding last year I thought. Ferrari has a team have been really poor though. Again.

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