" Sunday Times ", Premier League predictions ...

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:42 am

Manchester City
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Liverpool
Manchester United
Arsenal
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Tottenham
Chelsea
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Leicester
Wolves
West Ham
Everton
Southampton
Watford
Newcastle
Crystal Palace
Aston Villa
Bournmouth
Brighton
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Burnley
Sheffield United
Norwich

We shall see .....

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:58 am

Same every year.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:59 am

And one year they will be right but so far the media have collectively scored zero from four in constantly predicting our relegation.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:40 am

That is simply not going to happen.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:47 am

I personally think Manchester United will do well to finish in a European place, although I may well be wrong .... I think we'll finish in 14th ...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:13 am

a lot will depend on our use of the chequebook this week

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:22 am

They've got Tottenham below arsenal and utd, can't see that happening this season.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:26 am

Newcastle without Perez and Rafa will be in bottom 3
Norwich and Sheff Utd will be in bottom 3
Palace if Wilf goes will do down
Villa despite Tom will struggle in bottom 4
Saints Brightonand Bournemouth will provide one of the relegation spots
We will finish around 10th higher if we get our speedy winger and tough tackling playmaker in cm

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:09 am

I think we’re in trouble this year.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:19 am

Can’t see SheffU,Norwich,BHA,B’mouth,Newcastle & Villa finishing above us. Any higher wouldn’t be a shock but would be welcome. 10th is pushing it.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:22 am

No idea how they have southampton up there tbh

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:28 am

Vegas Claret wrote:a lot will depend on our use of the chequebook this week

We have a chequebook?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:29 am

If Tarkowski goes we could be in trouble. We seem to go from one transfer window to the next without making any significant signings that will strengthen our starting 11.
Can't see United finishing in the top 6. Sole star will do well to see out the year

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:43 am

Rowls wrote:And one year they will be right but so far the media have collectively scored zero from four in constantly predicting our relegation.

Two from five.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:55 am

Based on current transfer business can't really argue with those predictions
Between us, Brighton and Bournemouth

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:05 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Newcastle without Perez and Rafa will be in bottom 3
Norwich and Sheff Utd will be in bottom 3
Palace if Wilf goes will do down
Villa despite Tom will struggle in bottom 4
Saints Brightonand Bournemouth will provide one of the relegation spots
We will finish around 10th higher if we get our speedy winger and tough tackling playmaker in cm

Are you saying that seven teams will go down this season?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:10 am

jojomk1 wrote:Based on current transfer business can't really argue with those predictions
Between us, Brighton and Bournemouth

Like last year, and the year before, and the one before that?

We wont go down.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:11 am

And remember, those making these forecasts in the times no little about us as a football club

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:18 am

Probably about right. They’ve not exactly stuck their neck out though.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:25 am

Blackrod wrote:Probably about right. They’ve not exactly stuck their neck out though.

Based on what?

Our current eleven displayed Europa league form in the second half of last season, and based on the recent friendlies looks like we are continuing to play good football.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:30 am

‘About right’ there are 20 teams in that table. Stop getting your knickers in a twist.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:30 am

Who could forget that season when we finished 7th !

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:35 am

Rowls wrote:And one year they will be right but so far the media have collectively scored zero from four in constantly predicting our relegation.

Like a stopped clock...

Personally, I wouldn’t read too much into the views of a pundit who thinks Utd will finish third next season.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:55 am

If we lose Tarkowski and Long, as we go into the season, that could cause a lot of damage. They are part of a well oiled machine.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:58 am

Bournemouth, Norwich and Brighton to go down for me. Possibly swap Newcastle with one of those.

We should be top ten. Good season for the mighty clarets.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:18 am

I predict that Jacob Rees Mogg bloke will move to Shadsworth and start knobbing horses.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 am

Not one of the bookies has us in the bottom three...that gives you a better idea of our season, short of injuries departures and arrivals

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:55 am

Goalposts wrote:Not one of the bookies has us in the bottom three...that gives you a better idea of our season, short of injuries departures and arrivals

Out of interest where do the main books have us?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:08 am

Not sure about the current odds but on 29 July William Hill prices for Relegation were

Sheffield Utd 4/6
Norwich 10/11
Burnley 2/1
Brighton 2/1
Newcastle 2/1
Aston Villa 2/1

The Ladbrokes prices for the above clubs was the same as at 29 July

On a different thread reference was made to a TV programme airing on Wednesday "Can you beat the Bookies"?

Not at those odds on offer you can't.

Odds also on offer of 6/1 for Burnley to finish bottom of the pile and just 4/11 to stay up and 1/16 for a Bottom Half Finish.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:23 am

kentonclaret wrote:Not sure about the current odds but on 29 July William Hill prices for Relegation were

Sheffield Utd 4/6
Norwich 10/11
Burnley 2/1
Brighton 2/1
Newcastle 2/1
Aston Villa 2/1

The Ladbrokes prices for the above clubs was the same as at 29 July

On a different thread reference was made to a TV programme airing on Wednesday "Can you beat the Bookies"?

Not at those odds on offer you can't.

Odds also on offer of 6/1 for Burnley to finish bottom of the pile and just 4/11 to stay up and 1/16 for a Bottom Half Finish.

Cheers that looks about right with Sheff Utd Norwich the worst two teams then probably one of us, Villa, Newcastle and Brighton to go down with them

hoskinsgoalatswansea · Post by **hoskinsgoalatswansea** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:26 am

Clarets4me wrote:I personally think Manchester United will do well to finish in a European place, although I may well be wrong .... I think we'll finish in 14th ...

Was thinking the same. Could be the year there’s a change in the top six with Man Utd missing out.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:30 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:I think we’re in trouble this year.

That's the spirit

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:33 am

Going off odds the bottom 3 are Burnley, Norwich and Sheffield United.

We've been favourites for relegation every one of the last 5 seasons by the way.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:37 am

FactualFrank wrote:Going off odds the bottom 3 are Burnley, Norwich and Sheffield United.

We've been favourites for relegation every one of the last 5 seasons by the way.

The bookies has a mare making us favourites to go down in 2015

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:40 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:The bookies has a mare making us favourites to go down in 2015

And the other seasons too. They've put us to go down every season we've stayed up. At one point we were 3/11 to go down.

This is good for us - let us be the underdogs. Absolutely fine by me.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:43 am

Sporting Index points spread are usually a better guide and they have us 16th, ahead of Newcastle, Brighton, Norwich and Sheff Utd

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:46 am

Are there 3 worse teams than us? I’d say so:-
Sheffield Utd
Norwich
Brighton
Villa

So we shouldn’t be in trouble. Expect a finish in the bottom half but as long as no lower than 17th it’s all good.
Seem to be pretty sharp as well if the last two home friendlies anything to go off

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:48 am

"We've been favourites for relegation every one of the last 5 seasons by the way"

This statement is in fact not correct.

2018-2019 Season

Cardiff 4/6
Huddersfield 6/5
Fulham 7/4
Watford 2/1
Brighton 5/2
Burnley 7/2

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:48 am

Tall Paul wrote:Sporting Index points spread are usually a better guide and they have us 16th, ahead of Newcastle, Brighton, Norwich and Sheff Utd

That looks about the best predictions I have seen anywhere

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:48 am

buzzclarets79 wrote:Are there 3 worse teams than us? I’d say so:-
Sheffield Utd
Norwich
Brighton
Villa

So we shouldn’t be in trouble. Expect a finish in the bottom half but as long as no lower than 17th it’s all good.
Seem to be pretty sharp as well if the last two home friendlies anything to go off

Villa aren't worse than us, after the £150 million plus wages they've spent.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:55 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:That looks about the best predictions I have seen anywhere

As I said, they're usually a good indication. Here's last years from July 21 2018:

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:55 am

box_of_frogs wrote:We have a chequebook?

They're still trying to find it, apparently someone dumped another truckfull of " Dry powder " over it !

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:03 am

FactualFrank wrote:Villa aren't worse than us, after the £150 million plus wages they've spent.

Going by this 'spent more than us on transfers' theory Fulham were significantly better than us last season...

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:06 am

Falcon wrote:Going by this 'spent more than us on transfers' theory Fulham were significantly better than us last season...

Man for man, Fulham were better than us.

Unless someone can predict the future, we don't have much more to go on to be fair.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:08 am

They keep putting us down there because one year they'll get it right and they'll feel all clever.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:11 am

I’d swap us and Brighton around, unless we improve the first 11 we’re just treading water and making up the numbers. Some would say we deserve relegation for not spending any of the PL income on suitable players.

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:14 am

FactualFrank wrote:Villa aren't worse than us, after the £150 million plus wages they've spent.

Fulham 2019.

Just because they’ve spent 150m doesn’t make a team.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:14 am

kentonclaret wrote:"We've been favourites for relegation every one of the last 5 seasons by the way"

This statement is in fact not correct.

2018-2019 Season

Cardiff 4/6
Huddersfield 6/5
Fulham 7/4
Watford 2/1
Brighton 5/2
Burnley 7/2

Those are in fact, not correct.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:16 am

buzzclarets79 wrote:Fulham 2019.
Just because they’ve spent 150m doesn’t make a team.

I hope you're right. Please be right!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:22 am

FactualFrank wrote:Those are in fact, not correct.

They might not be spot on, but it's correct in that those five teams were shorter odds for relegation than Burnley.