I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

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I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:25 pm

As soon as the ref put his hand to his ear I thought he was going to disallow it.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:26 pm

they were checking his challenge on Bertrand, was never going to be ruled out
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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:28 pm

As much as I don't like the delay, we have been subject to tens, if not hundreds of dubious/wrong decisions against us in the last few years which hopefully will benefit us in the future.

Consitency is the key.
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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by KRBFC » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:29 pm

What was the red card check first half? Didn’t show it on the big screen? Weird, didn’t know who was potentially getting sent off despite the funny “off” chants from the CFS.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:What was the red card check first half? Didn’t show it on the big screen? Weird, didn’t know who was potentially getting sent off despite the funny “off” chants from the CFS.
One of their players caught Mee with a high challenge.
Ruled ok.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:32 pm

Just a shame the red card was not given which it should have been.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:32 pm

It looked like he definitely dragged studs down his leg and stamped on his foot (but apparently not)

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Longside4evr » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:35 pm

His studs went right down mee's shins It was horrendous
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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by whiffa » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:35 pm

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Could have been a red for me, certainly a yellow. Obviously VAR can't award a yellow, but frustrating for the ref to give nothing.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:37 pm

it was mistimed, should have been a yellow

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by 4:20 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:39 pm

I thought they were going to show the var footage in real time on the big screens?
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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 pm

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH When Ash scored his 2nd goal i jumped up then i did think he looked offside so it was a sit down and wait looking to see what would happen . Now it was on a stream but it was a moment of will it will it not be kind of thing . Now it was only when the kicked off i knew it was a goal .
A bit like Cricket really , you are up then you are down not knowing which way it's going to fall .

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:02 pm

whiffa wrote:Image

Could have been a red for me, certainly a yellow. Obviously VAR can't award a yellow, but frustrating for the ref to give nothing.
Wasnt a red for me and slow motions and stills can be very misleading

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:08 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Wasnt a red for me and slow motions and stills can be very misleading

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Nasty piece of work that Barnes fella

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:10 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Nasty piece of work that Barnes fella
Yep just how we like him :P

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by fanzone » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:24 pm

I thought VAR were ok today

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:31 pm

whiffa wrote:Image

Could have been a red for me, certainly a yellow. Obviously VAR can't award a yellow, but frustrating for the ref to give nothing.
A picture always looks bad but he went to the ball and it was completely accidental, I’d hate to see the game ruined by that, these things happen

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:32 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Wasnt a red for me and slow motions and stills can be very misleading

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I’m with you on that mate

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:34 pm

whiffa wrote:Image

Could have been a red for me, certainly a yellow. Obviously VAR can't award a yellow, but frustrating for the ref to give nothing.
Never a red. Thankfully var got that right. Another sort of challenge I was dreading Var for.

They used it in France yesterday. Almost identical challenge and fabregas got a yellow overturned to a red.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by IanMcL » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:12 pm

Telegraph report about VAR at our match.

Looks like the skipper is getting absorbed into the club....

'The system was used again by referee Graham Scott to check a challenge by Adams on home captain Bee Mee'

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by NL Claret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:21 pm

Without the benefit of seeing the video those around me were convinced it was a goal, same folk who couldn't understand why City's goal last season was awarded.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by agreenwood » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:36 pm

We could very definitely do without the check to see if there will be a check.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by thelaughingclaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:44 pm

Why does every goal HAVE to be checked? Surely only things that could be errors should be checked? Gudmundson’s goal was perfect, no foul or anything in the build up but it had to be checked as for some reason they check every goal. It’s just slowing it down too much for me.
And don’t get me started on ‘clear and obvious’.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by dougcollins » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:56 pm

They were checking JBG's goal for the 'foot up' tackle when he won the ball. There was no contact, but the defender realised he had been done and hopped around one one leg to claim that there was contact.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by agreenwood » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:02 pm

dougcollins wrote:They were checking JBG's goal for the 'foot up' tackle when he won the ball. There was no contact, but the defender realised he had been done and hopped around one one leg to claim that there was contact.
But no “VAR Check” was announced, which presumably would have been if they thought there might be an issue. So what we appear to have is a pre-check check, which is bonkers.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:04 pm

VAR is horrible. God knows how keepers are ever meant to save penalties again. It’s physically impossible not too move forward whilst diving. They should be allowed to stand behind their line.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by MDWat » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:34 pm

Adams thing never a red

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:40 pm

The advantage is meant to be with the penalty taker. It’s a penalty, the clue is in the word penalty. The keeper can dive in any direction he chooses but can’t move off his line until the ball has been struck. He isn’t meant to be given any slight advantage to help him save it.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:02 pm

dougcollins wrote:They were checking JBG's goal for the 'foot up' tackle when he won the ball. There was no contact, but the defender realised he had been done and hopped around one one leg to claim that there was contact.
Shouldve sent the defender off for feigning injury. Imagine the foul was given!!

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by simonclaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:28 pm

agreenwood wrote:But no “VAR Check” was announced, which presumably would have been if they thought there might be an issue. So what we appear to have is a pre-check check, which is bonkers.
Every goal is checked

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by thatdberight » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:52 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:The advantage is meant to be with the penalty taker. It’s a penalty, the clue is in the word penalty. The keeper can dive in any direction he chooses but can’t move off his line until the ball has been struck. He isn’t meant to be given any slight advantage to help him save it.

So, maybe he should be made to stand on the half way line by your 'logic'.

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Post by dsr » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:03 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:VAR is horrible. God knows how keepers are ever meant to save penalties again. It’s physically impossible not too move forward whilst diving. They should be allowed to stand behind their line.
The goalkeeper has never been allowed to move off his line at a penalty. Originally he couldn't move at all, then he could move his body but not his feet, then he could move all of himself but not come off his line. VAR is just because referees proved unable to judge whether anyone was moving off the line, even in cases where the keeper was two or three yards off.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by dsr » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:05 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:Why does every goal HAVE to be checked? Surely only things that could be errors should be checked? Gudmundson’s goal was perfect, no foul or anything in the build up but it had to be checked as for some reason they check every goal. It’s just slowing it down too much for me.
And don’t get me started on ‘clear and obvious’.
Every goal is checked just in case. What gets me about Gudmondsson's goal is that it took so long. They suggest that most VAR checks on goals should be complete before the players are ready for kick-off (which shouldn't be difficult, considering how long celebrations go on nowadays). This one took surprisingly long.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:08 pm

It isn’t my logic but even if it was that’s a pretty strange response. Referees are apparently watching for keeper movement and VAR we are told will leave it to the refs. As mentioned earlier the offence was encroachment by the player who eventually cleared the danger. For too long keeper movement and encroachment have been ‘almost ignored’ by the officials, so it is about time the advantage is with the penalty taker.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by agreenwood » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:11 pm

simonclaret wrote:Every goal is checked
Yes, but we got an official message on the screen for Woods’ “goal”, but not for JBG’s. This would suggest they were checking JBG’s to assess whether a more formal check was needed? A pre-check!

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by dsr » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:14 pm

agreenwood wrote:Yes, but we got an official message on the screen for Woods’ “goal”, but not for JBG’s. This would suggest they were checking JBG’s to assess whether a more formal check was needed? A pre-check!
I think it's more likely to suggest that the VAR man doesn't work the big screen and the message didn't get through to the screen operators.
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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by simonclaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:32 pm

agreenwood wrote:Yes, but we got an official message on the screen for Woods’ “goal”, but not for JBG’s. This would suggest they were checking JBG’s to assess whether a more formal check was needed? A pre-check!
I think it's because Wood's would have been changing the on-field decision. The three goals were checked without announcement as they'd already been given as goals on-field.

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Re: I hate the delay in Var - JBG goal

Post by simonclaret » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:33 pm

dsr wrote:I think it's more likely to suggest that the VAR man doesn't work the big screen and the message didn't get through to the screen operators.
Pretty sure I've read that the VAR team controls the on-screen messages not the club staff.

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