Are we suspect at Corners?

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Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Claret Toni » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:02 pm

We bring everyone back at corners, and am aware of SDs reasons for this, yet I'm not convinced with our marking of men and space.

Twice yesterday, I felt, we were exposed by corners from the right.

In the 1st half Romeu was just outside the box on our left and made a latish run so had a free header from a driven well directed corner; poor execution - merely glanced it.

In the 2nd half, a similar position where Westwood, I think, was drawn out to cover a shortish corner, Valery(?) darted in to meet another well directed corner, but again poor execution slipped and ended up diverting it with his head whist on the floor.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:07 pm

I think we won 3-0
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think we won 3-0
Yup Tony you think right :D

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think we won 3-0
Bit harsh.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by turfytopper » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:12 pm

Clean sheet....you are always going to be opened up at this level, no matter how well you play....yesterday after the chance in the couple of mins for Adams I didn't think they had a sniff

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by claretcarrot93 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think we won 3-0
Any need? Its a football discussion forum. Its a topic about defending corners. Should nobody create any topics if we win?
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:16 pm

I don't think it's anything to do with us not conceding - could and should have been 1-0 down after 2 minutes. Does that mean SD will ignore it and not bring it up?

Of course not. Things we get away with SD will be looking to improve.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by bfcjg » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:38 pm

http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?t ... cs_corners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-re ... e-rubbish/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you go on the first link and scroll to last season we conceded a lot of corners but going on the second link we defended them well enough so I think Dyche had it right.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:49 pm

we should be better from corners this season, when Pope got his first chance with us he came and collected an awful lot, no doubt that's a huge plus for us

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Claret Toni » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think we won 3-0

Just a shame you don't appear to have read all the post, then you might have noticed "poor execution" in both cases.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by EarbyClaret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:58 pm

Pieters (at 6ft) is several inches taller than Charlie Taylor - it will be interesting to see how the battle for the LB shirt pans out but that extra aerial presence when defending balls into the box from set plays might come into SD's thinking.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:06 pm

If anything, it will be those two new blocks!
Stopping the wind coming through and putting off the opposition.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:41 pm

In my view we are the only team in the Premier League that seems to play the percentages in these situations. Meaning we concede a corner, everyone one back and just clear the ball as far as possible and into touch. Therefore yes we concede possession again but we start with our structure again 4-6-0 or 6-4-0 with full backs as centre halves and wingers as full backs. Most teams cant break that down so they have to go back with the ball. So then we push up and relieve the pressure.

We are one of the only teams if not the only team that would happily just kick it out of play so that we get our structure correct again rather than risking an attack with one player out of position risking the positional awareness of others.

City are a little similar in how they make fouls when defending quick breaks to allow them to all get back in place. But because they are nice to watch they dont get pulled up in the media so much. We would do the same but because of how we are labelled we have to not make them chlenges as refs would book our players because of our reputation whereas they wont with City's players.
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:43 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:Any need? Its a football discussion forum. Its a topic about defending corners. Should nobody create any topics if we win?
Just pointing out that we won by three goals. As for defending corners, I’d think defending anything was difficult in those conditions yesterday.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:43 pm

Barnfield are suspect at building corner stands on time.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Lots of teams bring everyone back for corners. I’m pretty sure Man City did against us last season.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by BFC123 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:44 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:Pieters (at 6ft) is several inches taller than Charlie Taylor - it will be interesting to see how the battle for the LB shirt pans out but that extra aerial presence when defending balls into the box from set plays might come into SD's thinking.
Taylor is over 6ft so that’s not true.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:01 pm

BFC123 wrote:Taylor is over 6ft so that’s not true.
Taylor isn't as tall as that.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Claret Toni » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:06 pm

Whoever we play, we are a big, in stature, team so if you're the opposition you have to look at alternate ways of gaining an advantage, at corners.

It just seemed to me that from corners on the Southampton right they were able to manipulate situations about 15 yards from goal on our left hand side where they could get a man free. Clearly they mixed up their corner routines, so they didn't try it every time, and they had options - Romeu, Valery. To me they'd identified a weakness. I wondered if others had seen this, or if I had misread what happened - that's not uncommon, I was convinced Wood had scored a legitimate goal!

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Braindead » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:12 pm

taio wrote:Taylor isn't as tall as that.
Taylor is 6 feet 1 according to Soccerbase

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by bodge » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Toni - Last season a lot of sides were pulling corners back to the corner of our box and then putting in diagonal balls, particularly after Newcastle's set piece worked against us at the Turf.

Something we need to be mindful of.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Braindead wrote:Taylor is 6 feet 1 according to Soccerbase
BFC123 wrote:Taylor is over 6ft so that’s not true.
Not according to google Taylor is 1.76mtrs

Charles James Taylor (born 18 September 1993) is an English professional ... Height, 5 ft 9 in (1.76 m) ...

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:27 pm

Braindead wrote:Taylor is 6 feet 1 according to Soccerbase
Soccerbase is inaccurate

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Mattster » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:39 pm

taio wrote:Soccerbase is inaccurate
Not in this case.

Heights are often wrong, transfermarkt for example would have you believe that JBG is taller than Tarkowski.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:49 pm

We have had the discussion before about Taylors height and I posted a team shot of him standing next to Ben Mee and obviously a couple of inches taller. Here’s one with Ash.
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:13 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:We have had the discussion before about Taylors height and I posted a team shot of him standing next to Ben Mee and obviously a couple of inches taller. Here’s one with Ash.
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He’s stood 15 feet in front of Barnes in that photo.
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:38 pm

Taylor is 5'9
Pieters is 6'1

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:44 pm

Mattster wrote:Not in this case.

Heights are often wrong, transfermarkt for example would have you believe that JBG is taller than Tarkowski.
It is in this case too. Taylor isn't 6'1. Best to go with official club info which says 5'9.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by BFC123 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:19 pm

Taylor is 100% over 6ft. The club also have Pope as 6ft 4, which isn’t correct. The club just take values off Wikipedia. 5ft 9 is about the same height as Brady. Taylor is miles taller than him.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:20 pm

Height won't come into it at all with fullbacks.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by BFC123 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:23 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Height won't come into it at all with fullbacks.
It is important with our fullbacks who tuck in so narrow and have a lot of defending to do at the back post from crosses.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:24 pm

No chance Taylor is only 5ft9.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:24 pm

BFC123 wrote:It is important with our fullbacks who tuck in so narrow and have a lot of defending to do at the back post from crosses.
We wouldn't have signed Taylor if that were the case.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:27 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Height won't come into it at all with fullbacks.
The point was about defending corners so it does come into it on that specific point.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:36 pm

taio wrote:The point was about defending corners so it does come into it on that specific point.
No.

EarbyClaret (#11) said it would be interesting in the fight for left back with height maybe coming into SD's thinking (to decide on who will start). This is why I said it won't matter.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Taylor is 5'9
Pieters is 6'1
I don’t know how I can prove this but I can guarantee that Taylor is taller than 5’9. I’d be very surprised if he isn’t 6 feet tall.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm

FactualFrank wrote:No.

EarbyClaret (#11) said it would be interesting in the fight for left back with height maybe coming into SD's thinking (to decide on who will start). This is why I said it won't matter.
No

He specifically refereed to aerial presence defending set pieces.

Personally don't think it will affect Dyche's thinking too much.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I don’t know how I can prove this but I can guarantee that Taylor is taller than 5’9. I’d be very surprised if he isn’t 6 feet tall.
Have a photo taken next to him at the next game with somebody holding a tape measure behind you both.
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:42 pm

taio wrote:No
He specifically refereed to aerial presence defending set pieces.
Personally don't think it will affect Dyche's thinking too much.
Not sure where referees come into this, but they seem to get a job even if they're a short arse ;)

Anyway, he said, "it will be interesting to see how the battle for the LB shirt pans out but that extra aerial presence when defending balls into the box from set plays might come into SD's thinking."

Obviously suggesting he thinks height will come into SD's thinking when deciding between them both. Hence my post that I don't think it will matter.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Not sure where referees come into this, but they seem to get a job even if they're a short arse ;)

Anyway, he said, "it will be interesting to see how the battle for the LB shirt pans out but that extra aerial presence when defending balls into the box from set plays might come into SD's thinking."

Obviously suggesting he thinks height will come into SD's thinking when deciding between them both. Hence my post that I don't think it will matter.
Typo.

He said it might come into Dyche's thinking.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:49 pm

taio wrote:Typo.

He said it might come into Dyche's thinking.
And I said I disagree - I don't think height would ever come into SD's thinking over the full back position.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I don’t know how I can prove this but I can guarantee that Taylor is taller than 5’9. I’d be very surprised if he isn’t 6 feet tall.
I was just going off what a few websites say, zero guarantee they are 100% accurate for sure !

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by EarbyClaret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:04 pm

I was just going off what I found online - the vast majority of which suggests Taylor is 5ft 9in and Pieters is 6ft 0in

My point is, that if SD felt that in all other aspects of their game there was little to choose between them - then he would opt for the taller player as this would probably enable us to better defend aerial balls into the box.

I have no idea how the two measure up against each other in terms of the criteria used to determine selection.

However, with a clean sheet and two assists (he's bound to claim the one for the first goal) coupled with SD's "it's your shirt to lose" philosophy I think it will take a serious dip in form/injury to displace Pieters as it stands.

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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Mattster » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:43 pm

taio wrote:It is in this case too. Taylor isn't 6'1. Best to go with official club info which says 5'9.
Official club info also has JBG 1cm taller than Tarkowski so we can safely say it's not accurate.

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Looking at this picture, if Taylor is 5'9 then what does that make Ben Mee? 5'8? And Long 5'10?
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Re: Are we suspect at Corners?

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:17 pm

Bardsley and JBG about 5ft 7

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